Apple retires Snow Leopard from support, leaves 1 in 5 Macs vulnerable to attacks

ViRGE

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Then 1 in 5 Macs should upgrade. Because Lion runs on just about everything.
 

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Right - but if you still need older programs that use rosetta such as appleworks for some reason then you can't upgrade. also I know a lot of people with editing rigs that are very hesitant to upgrade if their system is running smoothly.
 

ViRGE

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Right - but if you still need older programs that use rosetta such as appleworks for some reason then you can't upgrade. also I know a lot of people with editing rigs that are very hesitant to upgrade if their system is running smoothly.
Then they need to disconnect them from the Internet. They've had nearly 9 years to prepare for the retirement of PPC.
 

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Vulnerable to what attacks?

There are a few Macs still running 10.6.8 around my work. It hasn't been any support from Apple keeping them safe from "attack" all this time, there's simply no imminent threat.
 

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Vulnerable to what attacks?

There are a few Macs still running 10.6.8 around my work. It hasn't been any support from Apple keeping them safe from "attack" all this time, there's simply no imminent threat.
It doesn't sound like there are any remote code execution vulnerabilities. But it does sound like there are some drive by download vulnerabilities, judging from what's been patched.
 

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Then 1 in 5 Macs should upgrade. Because Lion runs on just about everything.
Personally I disagree. Historically Apple supported just the current and previous OS X versions, so if they canceled Lion support tomorrow, they'd still be compliant with that standard. This is an issue largely because they're now on an annual release cycle.

Short OS maintenance lifecycles seem to be accepted practice for mobile devices, but I believe PCs should be supported longer than 3-4 years. Although Windows XP is certainly an outlier, Apple has all the resources in the world to maintain Snow Leopard solely for critical security fixes. Of course, doing so is bad for the business of selling Macs.
 

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This is what gets me about apple... I mean Microsoft supported XP for 10 years, snow leopard is only roughly 4 years old, and if it is so vulnerable it should at least have an update to it. I know a lot of guys still running Snow Leopard. As manly said, computer OS's should be updated for more than 4 years.
 

ViRGE

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Short OS maintenance lifecycles seem to be accepted practice for mobile devices, but I believe PCs should be supported longer than 3-4 years. Although Windows XP is certainly an outlier, Apple has all the resources in the world to maintain Snow Leopard solely for critical security fixes. Of course, doing so is bad for the business of selling Macs.
Admittedly this is a double standard, but this is always how Apple has done it. If you plan to play in the Apple ecosystem, then you need to keep up. This is something everyone should be made aware of before buying a Mac.

Now if Microsoft did this, I'd raise holy hell. But that's Windows; Microsoft has promoted it as a "long term stable" type OS for some time now.
 

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Backup and upgrade. If the hardware is too old then you chose the wrong side of the tracks to move into.
 

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Admittedly this is a double standard, but this is always how Apple has done it. If you plan to play in the Apple ecosystem, then you need to keep up. This is something everyone should be made aware of before buying a Mac.

Now if Microsoft did this, I'd raise holy hell. But that's Windows; Microsoft has promoted it as a "long term stable" type OS for some time now.

Oh apple... pay $3k for a decent computer, and be forced to upgrade within 5 years because software isn't supported. Nice... :biggrin:
 
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Then they need to disconnect them from the Internet. They've had nearly 9 years to prepare for the retirement of PPC.

PPC isn't supported past 10.5. Snow Leopard is 10.6.

Most first and second generation Intel macs (2005-2007) (Core, Core 2, using Intel 9xx series chipsets, basically) are capped at 10.6.

They'd run Win7 alright, prolly. Or Linux.
 

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The thing is, there's nothing official saying Apple has actually stopped supporting Snow Leopard. All the article says is that it didn't get a couple of patches, one of which, the infamous SSL bug, it didn't even require since SL wasn't affected. It's purely speculation.


and besides, how is it fair to compare it to XP? Microsoft didn't really have a choice unless they wanted a huge chunk of the worlds computers to be vulnerable.
 

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The thing is, there's nothing official saying Apple has actually stopped supporting Snow Leopard. All the article says is that it didn't get a couple of patches, one of which, the infamous SSL bug, it didn't even require since SL wasn't affected. It's purely speculation.


and besides, how is it fair to compare it to XP? Microsoft didn't really have a choice unless they wanted a huge chunk of the worlds computers to be vulnerable.
Apple doesn't need to say anything, the fact they never released Safari 6 and haven't had a single security update for SL in over 5 months says it all.

Nobody is really comparing OS X to Windows XP, which is a huge outlier. I'd be happy if Apple supported OS X for 5 years from date of release, although I realize that's asking a bit much. Business-wise it doesn't make sense for them, they want to sell shiny new boxes.

Again, it's not that they can't do it. They just choose not to. Apple is widely respected for supporting relatively old mobile devices for a much longer than industry standard length of time with iOS upgrades.
 

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PPC isn't supported past 10.5. Snow Leopard is 10.6.
The point being that users should be ready to retire their PPC applications or make special accommodations to continue using them. Apple announced the movie to Intel practically a lifetime ago, and we made the much larger transition from Classic to Mac OS X in a shorter period of time than this.

Most first and second generation Intel macs (2005-2007) (Core, Core 2, using Intel 9xx series chipsets, basically) are capped at 10.6.
The only thing I'm aware of that doesn't support Lion are Core (1) Duo machines, which aren't 64bit processors. Which to be sure, is unfortunate for the people holding on to these machines. But it is what happens when you buy a machine at the tail end of an architecture.

Plus there's something to be said for upgrading when even your cell phone is a 64bit CPU these days.
 
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The point being that users should be ready to retire their PPC applications or make special accommodations to continue using them. Apple announced the movie to Intel practically a lifetime ago, and we made the much larger transition from Classic to Mac OS X in a shorter period of time than this.

The only thing I'm aware of that doesn't support Lion are Core (1) Duo machines, which aren't 64bit processors. Which to be sure, is unfortunate for the people holding on to these machines. But it is what happens when you buy a machine at the tail end of an architecture.

Plus there's something to be said for upgrading when even your cell phone is a 64bit CPU these days.

I only upgraded to 10.6 about 5months ago and even then I only did as iOS7 needed the newest iTunes which I couldn't get as I was on Leopard.

My version of Safari was fine with the gotofail.com website.

I'll probably upgrade to a new rMBP machine sometime this year though.

At the time of my Macbook purchase I didn't really think that it was the end of an architecture but whatever. I've gotten my moneys worth out of the £800 machine, upgraded 4GB ram and 256GB SSD drive. It's lasted the longest out of all the laptops I've ever owned.

Koing
 

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The point being that users should be ready to retire their PPC applications or make special accommodations to continue using them. Apple announced the movie to Intel practically a lifetime ago, and we made the much larger transition from Classic to Mac OS X in a shorter period of time than this.

The only thing I'm aware of that doesn't support Lion are Core (1) Duo machines, which aren't 64bit processors. Which to be sure, is unfortunate for the people holding on to these machines. But it is what happens when you buy a machine at the tail end of an architecture.

Plus there's something to be said for upgrading when even your cell phone is a 64bit CPU these days.

The thing about the Core Duos is that they were the first intel Macs, so of course there were going to be a lot of them. Then again, they first got released about 7.5-8 years ago, so it might be time for an upgrade all the same.

My mom has an early '07 Blackbook that she's still using almost daily. We upped the RAM to 2GB and dropped in an SSD, but that thing is still kicking.
 
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The point being that users should be ready to retire their PPC applications or make special accommodations to continue using them. Apple announced the movie to Intel practically a lifetime ago, and we made the much larger transition from Classic to Mac OS X in a shorter period of time than this.

Ah, I see - sorry. Thought you were talking about the hardware.

*shakes cobwebs loose from brain*

I dropped most of my PPC applications well before upgrading to 10.7 just because Rosetta performance was stinky.
 

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Yeah, if you have a Core 2 Duo or better, you should probably be running Lion. However, that doesn't help people with machines with older CPUs, and there are a LOT of them out there, since in truth Core Duo machines are perfectly fine for surfing, email, and office app use.

Anyhoo, the old used MacBook 2008 I bought last year for cheap is on Lion fortunately, since it has as 2.4 GHz C2D T8300.

However, I hate the screen and would get my wife to take my old 2009 2.2 GHz C2D MacBook Pro (which is a much better machine) instead, but she doesn't seem to mind the crappy screen so much, and she uses it in the kitchen and gets gunk all over it. It would pain me to see grease and flour all over my aluminum MBP. Fortunately... in a way... Apple hasn't released that 12" Core i5 MacBook Pro in the Air form factor I want, so I haven't had a good reason to part with that MBP yet.
 

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Yeah, if you have a Core 2 Duo or better, you should probably be running Lion. However, that doesn't help people with machines with older CPUs, and there are a LOT of them out there, since in truth Core Duo machines are perfectly fine for surfing, email, and office app use.

Anyhoo, the old used MacBook 2008 I bought last year for cheap is on Lion fortunately, since it has as 2.4 GHz C2D T8300.

However, I hate the screen and would get my wife to take my old 2009 2.2 GHz C2D MacBook Pro (which is a much better machine) instead, but she doesn't seem to mind the crappy screen so much, and she uses it in the kitchen and gets gunk all over it. It would pain me to see grease and flour all over my aluminum MBP. Fortunately... in a way... Apple hasn't released that 12" Core i5 MacBook Pro in the Air form factor I want, so I haven't had a good reason to part with that MBP yet.

All I'm waiting for is a quad core rMBP13, and a reason to actually use it. Right now my portable needs are pretty well served by my iPad mini.
 

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Lion is not though, and there are several models from 5 or 6 years ago with integrated graphics that cannot run anything beyond Lion.
My Core 2 Duo MacBook included.

That in itself doesn't bother me, and the cost to upgrade to Lion is only $20 anyway. What's annoying though is that there is no support for hardware H.264 decode acceleration on those older integrated GPUs. That's a better reason to get a hardware upgrade IMO. My 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo will play back high bitrate HD H.264 reasonably cleanly, but it's stressed doing it, and the fan gets annoyingly loud.

No such problem on GeForce 9400M MBPs.
 

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All I'm waiting for is a quad core rMBP13, and a reason to actually use it. Right now my portable needs are pretty well served by my iPad mini.
not following Intel's roadmap closely, is that more likely to be 2015 or 2016 timeframe?

I have the original C2D MBP and I'm way overdue for an upgrade. I resisted Lion because it seemed like a weak upgrade, but installed it last fall. Unfortunately my system won't go any higher than Lion.
 
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