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xanis

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A few things.

Yes, Apple's multitouch trackpad is freaking awesome. Definitely much better than anything I've ever seen or used before.

The mighty mouse is kind of a rip off IMO. I agree that it's pretty nifty, but my Logitech mouse has a bunch of buttons and works just fine. Also, the big middle button thing kind of bothered me and I had some trouble using it.

EDIT: Also, I know that USB mice have always worked for Macs. I know it wasn't me who brought that whole thing up but still... just saying.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CKent
Probably just in the past year or two, and I'm sure they got lauded for their innovation while doing it, just like they were when they renamed the mp3 the "podcast" :roll:

You apparently don't know what a podcast is, and Apple did not come up with the name "podcast."
 

ElFenix

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all i know is i installed my motherboard drivers and now windows is telling me things would work a lot faster if i plugged them into a usb highspeed port.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Xanis
A few things.

Yes, Apple's multitouch trackpad is freaking awesome. Definitely much better than anything I've ever seen or used before.

The mighty mouse is kind of a rip off IMO. I agree that it's pretty nifty, but my Logitech mouse has a bunch of buttons and works just fine. Also, the big middle button thing kind of bothered me and I had some trouble using it.

I played with a mighty mouse in an Apple store and it tickled my finger. That little ball thing - it feels weird when you roll it. I could never use one of those, and yeah they are way overpriced.
 

xanis

Lifer
Sep 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: Sabot
I'll never understand you guys and your fear of apple. So sad...

I personally don't have a fear of Apple. Their products have served me well until these few incidents tonight and recently. Just ranting.
 

xanis

Lifer
Sep 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Xanis
A few things.

Yes, Apple's multitouch trackpad is freaking awesome. Definitely much better than anything I've ever seen or used before.

The mighty mouse is kind of a rip off IMO. I agree that it's pretty nifty, but my Logitech mouse has a bunch of buttons and works just fine. Also, the big middle button thing kind of bothered me and I had some trouble using it.

I played with a mighty mouse in an Apple store and it tickled my finger. That little ball thing - it feels weird when you roll it. I could never use one of those, and yeah they are way overpriced.

So I'm not the only one who was bothered by the tiny track ball... whew.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Rufus12
Originally posted by: Ns1
an important question to ask is, can windows movie maker do any better?

Doubt it. If you compare the free applications that ship with OS X to the ones that come with windows you'd be hard pressed to find one from windows that outperforms its OS X counterpart. There are some exceptions of course, but windows needs to have some advantage.

Windows doesn't really need to ship with free software, as freeware and shareware for windows are everywhere. And if it's not to your liking, Linux is always an option - though in my experience it's a pain in the ass to use if you're not actually interested in how it works and simply want a working PC.

The point is you have options. The Apple mentality is that if you don't think Apple is perfect, you are wrong - and their cultists all enthusiastically believe it and adapt to their product rather than demand options for different needs & tastes. I'm not sure any other business has ever so successfully implemented a one size fits all policy. Even their mice embodied the idea until just a few years ago
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You have to select and drag the file to the trash can. I know you can do this is Windows, but there's also the option to just hit "delete" and have it done.

Originally posted by: CKent
Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.

I said in my post that my university made us get them. If I had had a choice, I would have gone with a Windows book, believe me.

http://creativebits.org/keyboard_shortcuts_in_os_x


http://www.freemacware.com/quicksilver
http://lifehacker.com/software...e-day-hazel-195548.php
http://lifehacker.com/software...-with-hazel-320951.php
http://lifehacker.com/software...ile-actions-334925.php
 

Descartes

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I blew days working with Sony Vegas and Pinnacle on my Windows XP SP3 box trying to get things to work properly. Random crashes, hang-ups, rendering failers, etc. I try to call support and get nothing.

My Apple iPhone bricks every damn time I update to the new iPhone version, and I know that it does this to a lot of others as well. I end up having to make an appointment for the "Genius Bar" and have someone resync my phone to a fresh Apple box. Then I can update it from my machine.

All products have their downsides. There is a lot I don't like about Apple, but the same goes for Windows. I am still primarily a Windows user, but a competent person can be just as productive on Apple; to me, it's like a Windows user knowing nothing of the command-line. If you peek behind the Apple curtain a little you find the same wealth of power available to you.
 

sourceninja

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Originally posted by: Xanis


Imagine not being able to delete files by pressing the delete key. Well, imagine no longer because Apple has made it a reality. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to not have something as simple as that. Also, in order to quite programs, I have to either go to Program > Quit, or press Cmd + Q. When you press the Xs on windows, it doesn't quit out of the program like on Windows. That also is frustrating. Also, the fact that I have to install a completely separate operating system or buy expensive software just so I can play some games is absurd. There are more things that bother me, but I can't think of them right now. I would switch to a Windows laptop without a second thought if I was given the chance and I didn't have to spend more money.

I was with you about iMovie and iDVD, but this part I'm not with you. So apple has a different control scheme? Big deal. That's how different OS's are. It's a shame people can't toss away notions of how they think an OS should work and just learn to use the OS they have. CMD+Delete, I'm sure two keys must frustrate you to all hell.

And you mean to tell me you can't run windows games on OSX!! For shame!. I would like to point out that it is just as stupid that I can't use my favorite mac programs on windows and there is no software I can buy to do that. You could always just buy native mac games if you really want to game. They do exist.

Finally the whole X thing. I'm actually frustrated that windows has nothing similar. Sometimes I don't need a window open taking up ram. Why minimize when you can close. This is the one thing OSX does best imho.

Finally, why am I forced to install cygwin just to get half of the applications I like to use to maybe run on windows. When will microsoft provide me the ability to compile and run any xwindows applications? When will microsoft provide a decent terminal application? When will microsoft provide a decent user or security model? When will microsoft leverage a good deal of open source software to make their OS? When will microsoft give back to those projects? When will microsoft provide unrestricted development tools for free? (well I guess you can call the express editions free, but they are not near the level xcode is). When will microsoft ship with a real shell language? When will microsoft ship with good automation tools? When will microsoft ship with a good task scheduler like cron?

I have three computers at my desk. I have a macbook pro, a dell d830 with windows vista, and a amd4 box running ubuntu. By far my mac is the best computer on the desk and it's the newest. As a developer I can find nothing comparable on windows, and only get close on linux. As a gamer I am sick of the PC industry and have moved to the 360 (one product I really love), and as a geek I love the fact that it is unix and I can get into it and 'work'.

It is also the first time I stopped chasing the upgrade mill. I no longer work on my computer, I do work with my computer.

Now on the server front, I am not a fan of OSX. We have one and it is a pain. Linux is where it is at for the server front. If I was a hard core must play games the day they came out guy I would probably use windows. But my job is unix and web software development, and windows just sucks for that.

So apple doesn't suck, you are just trying to use the wrong tool for the wrong job. However again, I do not like iMovie or iDvd. I do however LOVE garageband. Combined with my firewire mixer that thing is sweet! When it comes to apple provided products I'm all about apple mail, iCal, garageband, itunes (on mac only), and iPhoto. Great apps. On the 3rd party front, TextMate + transmit or even cyberduck is just unmatched for scripting work. Xcode is a very awesome development enviroment and I can use all my favorite linux and windows apps with the same (and sometimes better) quality. We are talking firefox (although I prefer safari), virtualbox, handbrake (way better on osx or linux), multiple desktops (windows always sucks at this), sql developer (runs better on my macbook then my windows vista machine), adium (or pidign if you are win/lin), transmission or utorrent, all the adobe CS products (which the interface is so much better on OSX), vlc, etc. The list goes on and on.

On top of that the interface is wonderful and unlike linux everything works on a notebook without any screwing around. It has awesome built in features like the ability to mount disk images with a click, or create encrypted bundles without any 3rd party software. Time machine is simply unmatched for personal backups. In fact my only real complaint is that there is no open source full disk encryption like I have on my D830 (thank you truecrypt!). But all of that combined with the little niceties like preview and coverflow make it worth it.

I guess I'm just saying my computer is for work. I didn't want a toy, I wanted something I could get things done with. If I was in your situation, rather than assume those products did what I wanted I would of done research and found the products that met my needs the best. There are tons of video editing software out for mac. Apple's provided iMovie and iDVD are like iWeb, designed for the lowest common denominator, not professionals. They are not ment for customizing (try adding javascript to iWeb), they are ment for everyday people to get something that looks 'good' without any effort so they can show their friends. If you don't like it there is paid and free professional software out there.
 

dbk

Lifer
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I don't understand delete and backspace keys on the apple keyboard (while typing) backspace key is replaced by a delete key on apple so where is the backspace key?
 

venkman

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Gibson486
you can't delete files with the delete key? how do you do it? It's not like you can right click an select delete.....

You can right-click and select Move to Trash, or you can drag the file to the trash can (on the dock).

Shens
 

evident

Lifer
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apple is full of shit. their products have just as many problems as anyone else. look at the apple airport extreme for example. it's a steaming pile of turd with so many incompatibility issues compared to DDWRT.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: sourceninja
Originally posted by: Xanis


Imagine not being able to delete files by pressing the delete key. Well, imagine no longer because Apple has made it a reality. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to not have something as simple as that. Also, in order to quite programs, I have to either go to Program > Quit, or press Cmd + Q. When you press the Xs on windows, it doesn't quit out of the program like on Windows. That also is frustrating. Also, the fact that I have to install a completely separate operating system or buy expensive software just so I can play some games is absurd. There are more things that bother me, but I can't think of them right now. I would switch to a Windows laptop without a second thought if I was given the chance and I didn't have to spend more money.

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Great thought out post.
 

IEC

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FWIW the Mac machines around here eff up a lot less often than the Windows machines, but that's mainly because the guy making the images knows what he's doing
 

sourceninja

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Originally posted by: dbk
I don't understand delete and backspace keys on the apple keyboard (while typing) backspace key is replaced by a delete key on apple so where is the backspace key?

This has annoyed me to no end. I don't mind it on the macbook pro because it's just one key and I know I can use fn+delete to backspace and delete to delete. But on a fullsize keyboard it just annoys me to all hell that I have two keys labeled delete.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: CKent
Virtually everyone on the literate portions of the internet hates Apple. This is not without reason. You went and got one anyway. We told you so.


Originally posted by: Xanis

The university that I go to required us to get Macbook Pros through them.

rtfm
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: Ns1
an important question to ask is, can windows movie maker do any better?

no, but after effects can... wait, thats available on mac and windows.
 

xSauronx

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Xanis


CLIFFS:

- Went to go do what should have been a 30 minute project
- Wound up taking 2+ hours thanks to Apple and it's shitty software
- Lack of easy-to-use help files is maddening and made it worse
- Apple leaves out simple features on it's products, and it's annoying
- You can't delete files by pressing the delete key? WTF is this shit?

no shit. my brother has an old imac (albeit with a georgeous monitor) that runs OS X 10.4 and i want to stab it whenever I try to make it play along with things here at home.

he thinks its awesome, but literally, all he does on the damn thing is play multimedia in VLC and use firefox.
 
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