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TheStu

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Except reward/point cards just take a swipe instead of an appointment. I do understand. My point is that there are MANY companies with abysmal customer service. The focus of these companies (Apple included) is not customer service but, maximizing profit.

The focus of almost every company is to maximize profit. There are obvious NONprofit exceptions, but every company is out to make a profit, reward programs or no, appointments to get your geegaw fixed or not.

Ok, let's start with square one. Is it inherently bad customer service to require appointments?
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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The focus of almost every company is to maximize profit. There are obvious NONprofit exceptions, but every company is out to make a profit, reward programs or no, appointments to get your geegaw fixed or not.

Ok, let's start with square one. Is it inherently bad customer service to require appointments?

In an Apple store (or, Microsoft), yes. The problem is companies view maximizing profits and, customer service as two separate and often conflicting goals. They are not and should not be. However, in current day business practice, the goal of customer service departments seems to be the ability to say they have one. Regardless of how many companies practice this type of bad customer service, it should never be accepted as 'the way things are.'
 

MotionMan

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Ok, let's start with square one. Is it inherently bad customer service to require appointments?

No. The alternative is to make it first come, first serve, requiring everyone to stand in line for service - No. Just no.

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MagnusTheBrewer

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No. The alternative is to make it first come, first serve, requiring everyone to stand in line for service - No. Just no.

MotionMan

Appointments could still be made AND service could still be given walk ins. If a walk in conflicts with a person who has an appointment then, yes, the walk in would have to wait. The point is to offer better customer service and not make your customers have to jump through additional hoops due to corporate policy (if ever there was a phrase that should be banned from the English language it's that one).
 

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Appointments could still be made AND service could still be given walk ins. If a walk in conflicts with a person who has an appointment then, yes, the walk in would have to wait.

If the next available appointment is in an hour, does that not necessarily mean that the walk-in conflicts with appointments for the next 60 minutes?

MotionMan
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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If the next available appointment is in an hour, does that not necessarily mean that the walk-in conflicts with appointments for the next 60 minutes?

MotionMan

No, because the "Genius" does not know how long it will take to help the customer with an appointment. My system has more flexibility and causes fewer bad customer experiences.
 

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No, because the "Genius" does not know how long it will take to help the customer with an appointment. My system has more flexibility and causes fewer bad customer experiences.

Every time I have gone to an Apple Store for an appointment, the customers with appointments are stacked back-to-back. I have never seen a situation where a walk-in could jump in without cutting in front of a waiting appointment.

YMMV.

MotionMan
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Every time I have gone to an Apple Store for an appointment, the customers with appointments are stacked back-to-back. I have never seen a situation where a walk-in could jump in without cutting in front of a waiting appointment.

YMMV.

MotionMan

If the store is regulating how much time the "Genius" can spend with each customer, that is further evidence of bad customer service.
 

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Then, you're saying they schedule appointments like a doctor's office or a lawyer's and the appointment has no basis in the reality of when you'll actually be seen.

No. My experience has been that I am seen at the time of my appointment up to 30 minutes later. Each appointment takes a varied amount of time, but they seem to stay near schedule throughout the day.

I wonder if Apple has some idea how long the average appointment takes and schedules accordingly? Naaaaaaaah.

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MagnusTheBrewer

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No. My experience has been that I am seen at the time of my appointment up to 30 minutes later. Each appointment takes a varied amount of time, but they seem to stay near schedule throughout the day.

I wonder if Apple has some idea how long the average appointment takes and schedules accordingly? Naaaaaaaah.

MotionMan

So, you've waited 30 minutes for an appointment. How is that any different from first come first serve? I remember a chain of barber shop/hair salons I went to once who demanded your telephone number because that's the way they tracked you in their system. I said I wasn't comfortable giving them my phone number and was told I couldn't get my hair cut. Bad customer service is bad customer service. Forcing people to make an appointment doesn't aid the customer experience any.
 

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So, you've waited 30 minutes for an appointment. How is that any different from first come first serve?

Because it is not first come first serve - it is based on an appointment. If I have an appointment, I have a very high probability of being seen at or around the time I arrive at the store. If it was first come, first serve, I could wait hours to be seen, if I am seen at all that day. For me, appointments are awesome since I can make them for after work, late in the day, and know that I will not waste a trip to the store because they closed before I got to the front of the line.

I am not sure this is as complicated or nefarious as you are trying to make it out to be.

I remember a chain of barber shop/hair salons I went to once who demanded your telephone number because that's the way they tracked you in their system. I said I wasn't comfortable giving them my phone number and was told I couldn't get my hair cut.

I just give them Jenny's number. I know it by heart and they are all too young to recognize it.

Bad customer service is bad customer service. Forcing people to make an appointment doesn't aid the customer experience any.

So you rather stand in line, first come first served, than be able to make an appointment? Really?

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MagnusTheBrewer

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Because it is not first come first serve - it is based on an appointment. If I have an appointment, I have a very high probability of being seen at or around the time I arrive at the store. If it was first come, first serve, I could wait hours to be seen, if I am seen at all that day. For me, appointments are awesome since I can make them for after work, late in the day, and know that I will not waste a trip to the store because they closed before I got to the front of the line.
Why would anyone wait that long to be seen? Oh that's right, they're the only ones who can service your iMagic
I am not sure this is as complicated or nefarious as you are trying to make it out to be.

I'm saying you can serve both walk ins and let people make appointments.

I just give them Jenny's number. I know it by heart and they are all too young to recognize it.

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So you rather stand in line, first come first served, than be able to make an appointment? Really?

MotionMan

As I said, you can serve both walk ins and appointments without forcing customers to make an appointment just like restaurants do. Unless, of course, you only frequent trendy restaurants (Apple/Microsoft) who force you to make a reservation/appointment.
 

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As I said, you can serve both walk ins and appointments without forcing customers to make an appointment just like restaurants do. Unless, of course, you only frequent trendy restaurants (Apple/Microsoft) who force you to make a reservation/appointment.

You call them "trendy" when what we are talking about are "popular".

If you want fast food, you can walk in. If you want a well-trained waiter who will serve only your table during your meal, then you need a reservation.

Of course, there are people who say that Apple products are overpriced. I look at is as a "Service Tax". I prefer the appointment system - it works for me.

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MagnusTheBrewer

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You call them "trendy" when what we are talking about are "popular".

If you want fast food, you can walk in. If you want a well-trained waiter who will serve only your table during your meal, then you need a reservation.

Of course, there are people who say that Apple products are overpriced. I look at is as a "Service Tax". I prefer the appointment system - it works for me.

MotionMan

No, you do not. Most restaurants encourage or recommend reservations but don't require them except for holidays.

I'm glad the appointment system works for you but, there are others like the OP whom it does not work for. As an aside, you seem to be against tipping but, have no problem with a "service tax?"

I believe we all need to vote with our pocket books and demand better customer service because that is the only thing we can do better than anyone else yet, is the first thing to be cut by corporations everywhere.
 

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I haven't had to wait for more than 5 minutes after my appointment. I always wonder what are the topics that cause such a backlog. For my trips it's usually hardware repair/replacement which SHOULD take long but it wraps up in 5 minutes. And then I see other people with their laptops getting a tutorial on some inane topic. Makes me think I need to get my time's worth and go get them to teach me something.

The Apple store SouthPark in Charlotte is Terrible. I've always said Charlotte needs at least two more Apple stores. They did finally build one in north Charlotte but it hasn't seeme liked its pulled any of the traffic. Probably still need at least two more.
 

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The OP hasn't stated whether he did some kind of tests to determine if the headphones were defective and hasn't informed us as to whether he told the floor rep when he first inquired.

Walking into the store and saying "the headphones in my son's iPhone aren't working right" could be any number of things. That is why they set you up with an appointment. The fact that the "Genius" didn't test anything is bad customer service because if there was a different issue, you wouldn't have been helped, or if there was a known defect with say gen 1 headphones, you would have thought it strange they didn't test.


And for anyone saying first come first serve works, go to the DMV at around 10:30 then come back and tell us appointments don't help. Also, the idea that appointments magically mean all issues will be resolved in this time and it works perfectly, is laughable. This is the real world.
 

MotionMan

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No, you do not. Most restaurants encourage or recommend reservations but don't require them except for holidays.

The really good/busy ones require a reservation.

I'm glad the appointment system works for you but, there are others like the OP whom it does not work for. As an aside, you seem to be against tipping but, have no problem with a "service tax?"

I'm "against" tipping? Really? News to me.

I believe we all need to vote with our pocket books and demand better customer service because that is the only thing we can do better than anyone else yet, is the first thing to be cut by corporations everywhere.

Apple consistently ranks at the top for customer satisfaction across the board. Apple Stores are an unmitigated success. The people have voted.

MotionMan
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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The really good/busy ones require a reservation.



I'm "against" tipping? Really? News to me.



Apple consistently ranks at the top for customer satisfaction across the board. Apple Stores are an unmitigated success. The people have voted.

MotionMan

I see you've drank the Kool-Aid. Being the best of the worst isn't something to aspire to. Any company who puts it's policies ahead of doing the best job possible and thinks it's lawyers are a profit center has a loooong way to go to become a "success."

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a few weeks ago i did an instore purchase an hour before I left for the store. Once i got there I had to wait for 3 different people before I got to the "specialist" for instore pickup. They told me it was not ready....

I saw the lightning cable I came for literally on the shelf right behind the "specialist" and said, "cant i just have that one?" They said no, that they had to process my instore pick up. I asked if i could just buy that one and just never pick up my instore pickup and they said. "You will still be charged for the pickup order, and we cant refund you until the order is processed"

I was irritated, so I purchased the cable off the shelf and left. Literally as I was getting to my car in the mall parking lot, I got an email that said the pick up was ready.

I went back in.....3 specialist later, I got a guy that said your pick up was ready. I was like "ok.....can i have it?"
"Someone from the back will bring it out"
I swear to god we stood there in awkwardness for 10 mins waiting for a gofer to get my fucking cable. He didnt help other people in the mean time, just tried to make stupid chat like "How are you liking the iphone 5"

I will avoid an apple store at all cost...
 

MotionMan

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I see you've drank the Kool-Aid.

Such ad hominems are no longer allowed. Same with Apple Fanboi, etc.

Being the best of the worst isn't something to aspire to.

Who says they are the best of the worst? The surveys are not in comparison to other companies. They are regarding how satisfied customers are with the company.

MotionMan
 

BD231

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Apple store hires some of the most broke/sad looking people ive ever seen. Sometimes u gotta let them know they arent working for apple, theyre working retail.
 

gplracer

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When entering the store my son told the person on the floor (he was a floor manager or something) that the larger of the two speakers on the right side had stopped working.

Btw - wait for hours? Don't you think that is an exaggeration? If they were that busy they could afford more employees. I will say that since I did not make an appointment the 60 minutes I waited today is the longest customer service wait that I have ever had in retail store. There was probably 15 people on the sales floor. All of whom were not busy and 3 at the genius bar.
 
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