Apple TV 2 + XBMC = WIN!

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Aikouka

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I'm really interested in this, can the apple tv with xbmc handle netflix/hulu?

Netflix support is built into the AppleTV as for Hulu... I don't recall it being there, but if there was support, it'd probably be the terrible Hulu Plus thing anyway.
 

Kaido

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I jailbroke my new AppleTV 2 tonight using Greepois0n RC 6.1 on my Mac using a Kindle micro USB cable. Took me 2 tries to get the timing down, but was very easy. Updated Cydia, then installed XBMC and started playing movies - super easy. Plex isn't in the "app store" yet, so I had to manually grab it. In OS X's Terminal, the commands I used in order are: (anything in bold, paste in - this is for iOS 4.2+)

ssh root@192.168.1.200 (insert your ATV2's IP here)
RSA fingerprint blah blah blah: yes
password: alpine
echo "deb http://awkwardtv.dyndns.tv/ stable main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/awkwardtv.list
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get install com.plex.client-plugin
killall AppleTV

My Plex Media Server popped right up, scraped artwork et. all. Really simple config, blends right into the GUI and gives you options for Movies, TV Shows, etc. This gave me Plex 0.6.7, but I think .8 is out now. Looking more into this later tonight.

XBMC: More features and options, more polished GUI. 1/2-second lag in the GUI, slightly annoying but not a dealbreaker. Launches as it's own app, so it takes over the stock ATV menu. Video playback is really great.

Plex: Integrated right into the ATV GUI, talks to the media server for streaming & scraped data, great transport controls. Ability to combine multiple servers and add remote servers. Video transcoding quality not as good as streaming, but pretty dang good for transcoding (95% as good as the original I'd say - but I could tell there was a bit of rastering, aliasing, and slight color loss, like in Avatar). The GUI looked aliased, which bugged me. No nice loading percentage like on XBMC; it just spins until it loads the video. I'd like to see viewing options instead of just a list with the thumbnail on the left - personally I really like the "wall of movie covers" like XBMC has an option for.

I am a huge XBMC fan, and also of Plex for Mac. If Plex for ATV2 can add native streaming and clean up the GUI a bit, that will be the ticket for me - seamless integration into the ATV's GUI and seamless integration into my network library. Done and done. XBMC proves that streaming is possible and Plex proves that GUI integration is doable, now I just want to see them combined!
 
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Emulex

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So how does it compare to xbox1 in terms of multi-part rar file playback before the rars are done downloading (PRE+1s)
 

Kaido

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So how does it compare to xbox1 in terms of multi-part rar file playback before the rars are done downloading (PRE+1s)

I've never played a file like that before, sorry.

So far I really like the whole setup, but it is still beta stuff. What I'd like to see is Plex switch over to streaming. It's already integrated into the AppleTV GUI really nicely and talks to the Media Server to get the movie list, thumbnails, and so on. XBMC does streaming perfectly - every video file I tried played fine - but it launches as a separate app with a slightly laggy GUI, and I'd prefer to keep it built into the ATV menu like Plex. If they can do that, I'd definitely pick a few more of these puppies up!
 

sourceninja

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I picked up an appleTV tonight and gave it a try with xbmc. I played streams from my network just great. However for some reason it wasn't able to stream from the internet very well. I installed a hulu plugin for xbmc and it worked fine in 480p, but when I used my hulu plus account to try 720p it would re-buffer every 20-30 seconds. This doesn't happen on my macbook.

I'm going to take it back today, I think I'm going to go the full on htpc route. That said, the appletv was a really nice device size, power, and streaming from inside the network wise.
 

agentbad

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I use my current gaming rig with the hdmi adapter for my ati video card to connect to my hdtv. The newer version of xbmc supports dual monitors so when I launch it on my computer it shows up on my tv. By doing this I now have xbmc that supports full 1080p streaming unlike my xbox1 and didn't spend any extra money.
 

Aikouka

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I picked up an appleTV tonight and gave it a try with xbmc. I played streams from my network just great. However for some reason it wasn't able to stream from the internet very well. I installed a hulu plugin for xbmc and it worked fine in 480p, but when I used my hulu plus account to try 720p it would re-buffer every 20-30 seconds. This doesn't happen on my macbook.

I'm going to take it back today, I think I'm going to go the full on htpc route. That said, the appletv was a really nice device size, power, and streaming from inside the network wise.

That sounds like it could be an issue with XBMC and/or the plug-in more than the AppleTV itself. Everything is very new right now... I honestly wouldn't expect superb performance in all aspects.

I have a normal HTPC downstairs and my only complaint is simply that it's noisier than I'd like. I built it with space in mind, and I now regret that decision as it required a small cooler to fit properly in the small case. Although, I must admit that I don't really hear it too much given I sit around 13-14 feet away.

I mostly went with the HTPC downstairs as I can also put things like StepMania (PC version of DDR) on it, which is just not possible on the ATV2.
 

sourceninja

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I went with a mac mini instead of building a small PC. It's dead quiet in my living room and so far is working great with hulu desktop, netflix, and xbmc. All that is left is a remote control and deciding how to handle the upstairs TV.

On the upside, I can use the computer for more tasks (Dedicated backup/media server, flash/emulator gaming, etc).
 

slag

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I purchased an ATV2 last night and got it set up with XBMC. Very difficult using greenpoison until I figured out the gotcha. I followed the directions listed in a link earlier in this thread, but nowhere do they mention that you need to have itunes installed first. I was doing this with an XP32 netbook I rarely use which didn't have itunes on it and of course, the device wasn't recognized. The first step in doing any of these methods (at least on windows), should be to install the latest Itunes. Everything was gravy after that.

After I figured out I needed Itunes installed, it all went smoothly. I expected it to overwrite the Apple TV interface, however, all it did was add another menu icon which allows me to load up XMBC as an app. I prefer this to what I was expecting. Its easy to close XBMC down and go back to appletv and use their netflix app.

I do have issues with playing back some of the movies attached to my network drives. A few movies crash XBMC and make it drop back to the appletv interface. Some refuse to play, others are 1080p which play for about 10 seconds and then buffer for 10 seconds, rinse and repeat. I'm using a powerline setup through my electrical outlets. I fully expected this after reading through this thread. I think I need to create filters to only show certain types of movies.
 

Kaido

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I purchased an ATV2 last night and got it set up with XBMC. Very difficult using greenpoison until I figured out the gotcha. I followed the directions listed in a link earlier in this thread, but nowhere do they mention that you need to have itunes installed first. I was doing this with an XP32 netbook I rarely use which didn't have itunes on it and of course, the device wasn't recognized. The first step in doing any of these methods (at least on windows), should be to install the latest Itunes. Everything was gravy after that.

After I figured out I needed Itunes installed, it all went smoothly. I expected it to overwrite the Apple TV interface, however, all it did was add another menu icon which allows me to load up XMBC as an app. I prefer this to what I was expecting. Its easy to close XBMC down and go back to appletv and use their netflix app.

I do have issues with playing back some of the movies attached to my network drives. A few movies crash XBMC and make it drop back to the appletv interface. Some refuse to play, others are 1080p which play for about 10 seconds and then buffer for 10 seconds, rinse and repeat. I'm using a powerline setup through my electrical outlets. I fully expected this after reading through this thread. I think I need to create filters to only show certain types of movies.

Could be the powerline setup is the root cause of the problem. I have Gigabit running into my ATV2 and XBMC hasn't dropped a movie yet, even large 10-15GB MKV's.
 

Kaido

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I went with a mac mini instead of building a small PC. It's dead quiet in my living room and so far is working great with hulu desktop, netflix, and xbmc. All that is left is a remote control and deciding how to handle the upstairs TV.

On the upside, I can use the computer for more tasks (Dedicated backup/media server, flash/emulator gaming, etc).

What are you using for emulators? I'd really like to replace my modded Xbox1's at some point, which I primarily use for emulation. Is there anything that is actually integrated into Plex for old games?
 

slag

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Could be the powerline setup is the root cause of the problem. I have Gigabit running into my ATV2 and XBMC hasn't dropped a movie yet, even large 10-15GB MKV's.

Could be, but I don't think so. I think I need to upgrade to gigabit. This version of powerline I have (not real powerline), is only 100 mb. This MKV I was watching also experienced weird anomalies in media center 7. I think it was the way it was encoded or something. I should just recode it and make sure its "normal".
 

Kaido

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Could be, but I don't think so. I think I need to upgrade to gigabit. This version of powerline I have (not real powerline), is only 100 mb. This MKV I was watching also experienced weird anomalies in media center 7. I think it was the way it was encoded or something. I should just recode it and make sure its "normal".

How about if you play the weird file back locally on your media center instead of over the network? (assuming the media is at a separate location)

XBMC is doing a killer job on my ATV2, GUI is a bit slow but not bad, although I'd really like Plex to stream because I like the integration and the controls more (no launching a separate app!).
 

slag

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How about if you play the weird file back locally on your media center instead of over the network? (assuming the media is at a separate location)

XBMC is doing a killer job on my ATV2, GUI is a bit slow but not bad, although I'd really like Plex to stream because I like the integration and the controls more (no launching a separate app!).

On my regular pc installed XBMC install in the basement, the file plays fine. It crashes on the ATV2 xbmc in my bedroom. I guess a gigabit solution doesn't matter since the wired ethernet port is only 10/100. I was watching Terminator Salvation which I have ripped at 1080p and it was cache, watch, cache, watch, cache, watch. It was really unwatchable. I need to plug the wireline into my netbook and run a speedtest and move some large files to see how much throughput I'm really getting.
 

trmiv

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Really tempted to pick one of these up for the price. I just want something I can stream Netflix to, rent movies/shows from time to time on iTunes, and then rip all my DVD's to a drive and watch them via the ATV. Besides laptops, I don't have any dedicated PC's I can host media on though. Can I hook up a NAS device like a WD My Book to my network and access the content on that from the ATV with XBMC?
 
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Kaido

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Really tempted to pick one of these up for the price. I just want something I can stream Netflix to, rent movies/shows from time to time on iTunes, and then rip all my DVD's to a drive and watch them via the ATV. Besides laptops, I don't have any dedicated PC's I can host media on though. Can I hook up a NAS device like a WD My Book to my network and access the content on that from the ATV with XBMC?

If it does SMB sharing or similar, then yeah. I've got a FreeNAS box setup as my file server and it works great.
 

Kaido

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Well, I've had mine up for a couple weeks now. I REALLY like it - XBMC, despite being beta, works pretty dang well. It's replaced my Asus O'Play & Roku in my bedroom. I mostly do Netflix for TV shows or my NAS for streaming movies. I prefer Plex's integration & transport controls, but XBMC streams instead of transcodes, so that's what I'm using now. Plex really feels more alpha - won't play half my movie files & only does transcoding (with some quality loss).

Definitely planning on snagging more of these as development progresses. XBMC already works good enough for my family to use it on a daily basis. Ideally I'd like to see Plex get streaming support - that'd be the bomb, thanks to the integration & controls. Also, I have mixed feelings about the remote - I kind of like it, but the Menu button seems to get stuck a lot and it's really easy to use, so setting it up with a more universal remote like a Harmony would probably be a better way to go.
 

slag

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I have been testing XBMC and also Media Browser Plugin for Media Center. I find that while XBMC looks nice I'm missing much of the WMC features. The Media Browser plugin with Codec packs handles everythig for me.

http://www.mediabrowser.tv/

I used it when I used WMC7. I liked it. I'm now on XBMC on both my PC's HTPC setup and on my ATV2. The ATV2 crashes on at least 2 movies I've tried and all 1080p content gets buffered so much that its unwatchable. I've relegated myself to using the netflix part of ATV2 until the devs can figure out if its a SMB issue or what with the ATV2 since I have plenty of bandwidth available via the powerline adapter. I need to try out the PS3 media share software, however, as of now, XBMC on the ATV2 is just not stable enough to work, at least for me.
 

dclive

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Could be, but I don't think so. I think I need to upgrade to gigabit. This version of powerline I have (not real powerline), is only 100 mb. This MKV I was watching also experienced weird anomalies in media center 7. I think it was the way it was encoded or something. I should just recode it and make sure its "normal".

100Mb should do (if it's _really_ 100Mb) about 8MB/s.

The average MKV I have is 1/3 that or less.

YMMV.
 

dclive

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I need to try out the PS3 media share software, however, as of now, XBMC on the ATV2 is just not stable enough to work, at least for me.

I do the following, if I'm OK without the beautiful WMC7 interface (via XBOX360) and program descriptions:

1. MCE Buddy to convert big .dvr-ms/.wtv files to .mpg, and convert them to X264 format and decommercialize too. Oh, and drop filesize by 75%. Totally automatic.
2. MKV2VOB to convert the MKVs I do have to MPG.
3. A cheap $40 Patriot Box Office flawlessly plays all of the above from a networked SMB share in the closet. No noise.

Interface of PBO with nifty free firmware:
http://www.mede8er.org/artwork/temp/VIDEO_WALL_INSTRUCTIONS_V4BETA5_8Dec2010.pdf
(dead center of PDF shows the pretty pictures of how VideoWall interface looks...)
 

Aikouka

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I used it when I used WMC7. I liked it. I'm now on XBMC on both my PC's HTPC setup and on my ATV2. The ATV2 crashes on at least 2 movies I've tried and all 1080p content gets buffered so much that its unwatchable. I've relegated myself to using the netflix part of ATV2 until the devs can figure out if its a SMB issue or what with the ATV2 since I have plenty of bandwidth available via the powerline adapter. I need to try out the PS3 media share software, however, as of now, XBMC on the ATV2 is just not stable enough to work, at least for me.

I've watched 1080p content on my ATV2+XBMC without a single slowdown :\.
 

slag

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I've watched 1080p content on my ATV2+XBMC without a single slowdown :\.

some people have buffering issues, some dont. Its weird. I can stream hd netflix all day long but cant stream hd content from my xbmc pc. Its very weird.
 
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some people have buffering issues, some dont. Its weird. I can stream hd netflix all day long but cant stream hd content from my xbmc pc. Its very weird.

Your problem is powerline, you just don't want to admit it I use powerline and moved my aTV up to my office just to test - sure enough, same room as router using ethernet = perfect streaming of 720p MKVs, powerline = buffering.
 

Aikouka

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some people have buffering issues, some dont. Its weird. I can stream hd netflix all day long but cant stream hd content from my xbmc pc. Its very weird.

I'd bet the HD Netflix bitrate and resolution are both lower than the HD content that you're trying to stream.

I use a gigabit networking to all areas of my place, which might be why I don't have any issues with it.
 
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