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Zaap

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There's that word again.

And you probably wonder why people make lawyer jokes! Morality, reason, logic, fairness, principals aren't even in your vocabulary, just seizing on any little niggling scrap of bullshit you can in order to try and float that black is white, day is night. up is down, etc.

You try to imply the word current is bad, as if anyone is concerned about anything that's not current- just bullshitting around over IBM and Microsoft 30 years ago. So typical from a litigation-leech mindset.


What do you call 25 attorneys buried up to their chins in cement?
Not enough cement!
 

cheezy321

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Now your're backpedaling.


Show me where ANY of Samsung's current phones is a purposeful copy of Apple.

You're doing what your 'team' always does- trying to smokescreen the issues together like no one else can pay attention. Apple is now suing to block the SGS3, the Galaxy Note 10.1, and they've successfully blocked the GNexus for a time. There are many other Samsung models they've sued to block, none of which are copies of Apple. I've posted the list of them here.

You're just parroting Apple's bullshit that says they can own broad ideas like spelling word suggestion, slide to unlock, multi-touch, email address link recognition, unified search, etc. etc. You're excuse is: other businesses were patent abusers in THE PAST so that somehow makes it okay- but you can't point to a single current business abusing the patent system in the same way. So apparently, even though the law may allow it, it's simply NOT true that everyone else lives and thrives on being patent-douchebags like Apple is now blazing the path for.


Your purposefully ignorant type of mindset is a huge part of the problem.

You have to be a complete braindead idiot to think apple is the only one abusing the patent system. Idiots.

Here are two very simple, easy to read articles pointing to google abusing the system in the same exact way. You have to be a super dooper stupid idiot to think that idiot google isnt abusing the stoopid patent system like apple is.

http://gigaom.com/mobile/android-th...le-u-s-gets-note-tablet-google-play-improves/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...lleging-infringement-of-four-u-s-patents.html

Selling patents to help another company sue a competitor and buying an entire company just so they can sue a competitor. You have to be a big dumb dumb idiot stupid head not to see Google abusing the system. Your team consistently hides behind the fact that companies do it everywhere. The messiah Google is not the God you think it is.

Cant wait for your 'its only defensive' reasoning. What a freaking joke of an excuse. You have to be a complete idiot to think that. What idiots.

(Disclaimer: This post is meant to be a parody of the writing style of some prominent posters on these boards)


Warning for insults

I could count the number of "idiot" comments but it looks like a high number. It does read as being over the top - and so I can kind of see parody in it, but mostly it seems to me to be way to disguise insults so that it won't get moderated. Since you added the parody part, I'll just make this a warning but please don't do this again.

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Zaap

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^ LOL! So far the biggest excuse from 'team Apple' is "...someone else did it tooooo!!" Meanwhile, it's funny to see you finally admit that Apple is just abusing the patent system.

Show me where Google is currently suing to block multiple models of someone else's product?

So Google are idiots for buying up other companies- when that's exactly what Apple has done? So Apple supporters are "a big dumb dumb idiot stupid head" for supporting them doing that?


What do you throw to a drowning lawyer?
cheezy321!
 

BladeVenom

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...lleging-infringement-of-four-u-s-patents.html

Selling patents to help another company sue a competitor and buying an entire company just so they can sue a competitor. You have to be a big dumb dumb idiot stupid head not to see Google abusing the system. Your team consistently hides behind the fact that companies do it everywhere. The messiah Google is not the God you think it is.

Cant wait for your 'its only defensive' reasoning. What a freaking joke of an excuse. You have to be a complete idiot to think that. What idiots.

That's exactly what it says in the article:
"HTC now has more ammunition in its fight to fend off multiple patent-infringement claims lodged by Apple that contend phones running Google’s Android operating system copy the iPhone."
 

Mopetar

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And you probably wonder why people make lawyer jokes! Morality, reason, logic, fairness, principals aren't even in your vocabulary, just seizing on any little niggling scrap of bullshit you can in order to try and float that black is white, day is night. up is down, etc.

That's how the law works. It's an opaque, twisted process that isn't always well defined and generally leaves a lot open to interpretation. If you want to change it, I suggest working with your congress critters to pass the type of legislation that you'd like to see, rather than just complaining about the system and insulting the people who work within it.

Also, everyone should probably tone down the personal attacks in this thread and insinuations that if a person doesn't think in a certain manner that they're an idiot. It's getting a bit out of hand and nothing constructive is being added to the thread.
 

sham63

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So why did I bold the part about single inputs being interpreted as scroll operations? That's exactly what Samsung went after in front of the jury — they tried to show their accused devices scrolling with two fingers on the screen. Two finger scrolling is beyond the claims of the '915 patent, so any device that implements it likely doesn't infringe. (Unfortunately for Samsung, the lawyers got caught in a bit of deception while trying to show off two-finger scrolling — they were pinching and zooming at the same time. Oops.)

I just tried two finger on my Samsung Exhibit 2. It works, but it is possible to accidently pinch to zoom a little if you do not do it perfectly. It could be better but it works. It works better on a page or menu that can't be zoomed, like setting or the app drawer if it set to alphabetical list.

Jim
 
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Zaap

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That's how the law works. It's an opaque, twisted process that isn't always well defined and generally leaves a lot open to interpretation. If you want to change it, I suggest working with your congress critters to pass the type of legislation that you'd like to see, rather than just complaining about the system and insulting the people who work within it.
It doesn't hold water the notion that we shouldn't call Apple out on their shameful abuse of the system. We're supposed to ignore that they are just following a directive handed down from their 'dear leader' to destroy the Android competition at all cost.

I keep hearing this excuse 'that's just the way it is' and yet, when asked, "Okay, fine. So every other company, in every business sector must be constantly exploiting overly-broad patents, and using them to block their competitors's products, right? So where are all these suits? Show us."

And of course to that we get a combination of crickets chirping, and/or excuses, crappy examples from 30 years ago, more excuses, smoke-screening, circling the wagons, etc. etc.

Apple are being patent-douchebags right now, and I don't see any evidence of every other company in every industry doing the same thing, so the 'that's just the way it is' excuse falls flat on its ass.
 

Phokus

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You have to be a complete braindead idiot to think apple is the only one abusing the patent system. Idiots.

Here are two very simple, easy to read articles pointing to google abusing the system in the same exact way. You have to be a super dooper stupid idiot to think that idiot google isnt abusing the stoopid patent system like apple is.

http://gigaom.com/mobile/android-th...le-u-s-gets-note-tablet-google-play-improves/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...lleging-infringement-of-four-u-s-patents.html

Selling patents to help another company sue a competitor and buying an entire company just so they can sue a competitor. You have to be a big dumb dumb idiot stupid head not to see Google abusing the system. Your team consistently hides behind the fact that companies do it everywhere. The messiah Google is not the God you think it is.

Cant wait for your 'its only defensive' reasoning. What a freaking joke of an excuse. You have to be a complete idiot to think that. What idiots.

(Disclaimer: This post is meant to be a parody of the writing style of some prominent posters on these boards)

It's called playing defense you idiot. What is google supposed to do, let Apple walk all over them without fighting back?
 

Mopetar

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It doesn't hold water the notion that we shouldn't call Apple out on their shameful abuse of the system. We're supposed to ignore that they are just following a directive handed down from their 'dear leader' to destroy the Android competition at all cost.

There's a difference between calling Apple out for their behavior, and making disparaging remarks about another poster's profession simply because you disagree with his assessment. On the other hand, are we supposed to ignore Samsung's actions and the internal memos from their leadership that essentially told their developers to make their device like Apple's?

I keep hearing this excuse 'that's just the way it is' and yet, when asked, "Okay, fine. So every other company, in every business sector must be constantly exploiting overly-broad patents, and using them to block their competitors's products, right? So where are all these suits? Show us."

They're out there, but they're not covered, especially on tech sites. A quick Google search gave me this website which lists IP-related lawsuits. The list is pretty extensive, but unfortunately it requires membership to get more information about the patents in play. Most of the companies I've never heard of, but there was a pharmaceutical company listed, and a lawsuit from Klipsch (really the only company I recognized other than Rolls-Royce who were filing a trademark suit) against some company I've never heard of. I also found one being brought by a company that deals in drainage and wastewater products according to their website.

The list on their site only gives the 100 most recent results, but all of these were filed very recently, so it's likely that thousands of suits for all manners of industries have been filed within the last week or two alone. However, because most people don't have a lot of interested in the products that those companies make, there's not a lot of media coverage of the lawsuits that those companies are involved in.

And of course to that we get a combination of crickets chirping, and/or excuses, crappy examples from 30 years ago, more excuses, smoke-screening, circling the wagons, etc. etc.

And now you have some evidence to the contrary. Honestly, if anyone else had bothered to take 10 seconds and do a simply Google search, it would have become immediately obvious that patent suits aren't something that's only occurring in the tech industry.

Apple are being patent-douchebags right now, and I don't see any evidence of every other company in every industry doing the same thing, so the 'that's just the way it is' excuse falls flat on its ass.

Sorry for the pick-me-up then :\
 

Zaap

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There's a difference between calling Apple out for their behavior, and making disparaging remarks about another poster's profession simply because you disagree with his assessment. On the other hand, are we supposed to ignore Samsung's actions and the internal memos from their leadership that essentially told their developers to make their device like Apple's?
Relax, like attorneys aren't used to people making attorney jokes.

I've said it before: everybody was told to make a phone like the iPhone in 2007. It was clear that was the way the industry was headed. Apple also had people aquire and comb through every Android device, and of course still does. All businesses keep up with their competition.

Samsung's made a lot of stupid mistakes, but face it- Apple goes after models of their phones that clearly in no way are anything like anything Apple makes. The evidence of that is overwhelming, but still 'team Apple' tries to sweep that fact under the rug.


They're out there, but they're not covered, especially on tech sites. A quick Google search gave me this website which lists IP-related lawsuits.
This is really silly. No one is saying there aren't legitimate intellectual property suits. I specifically asked for examples of "every other company, in every business sector must be constantly exploiting overly-broad patents, and using them to block their competitors's products."

That's the issue here, not that there's legitimate intellectual property for things people and companies actually INVENT. Apple didn't invent half the crap its citing to block the products of its competitors.

I'm still asking for the supposed long list of companies that are doing exactly what Apple does- other than patent troll operations of course. The insistance that 'this is just the way it is' is made with such conviction, that this should be EASY to cite actual examples of.
 

Mopetar

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I'm still asking for the supposed long list of companies that are doing exactly what Apple does- other than patent troll operations of course. The insistance that 'this is just the way it is' is made with such conviction, that this should be EASY to cite actual examples of.

I just posted a website that lists IP related lawsuits and pointed out a few well-known, high profile companies from other industries engaged in these suits. Apparently, that is the way it is. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many lawsuits. Of course, based on the limited information, I can't possibly even begin to determine which suits I would consider having merit, let alone apply your reasoning to them.

However, assume for the sake of argument, that the vast majority of companies act in their own best self-interest. Therefore, they're going to behave like Apple more often than not. In that case, they'd probably qualify as "doing exactly what Apple does." In which that website would seem to suggest that there are a large number of examples.

Otherwise, I'm not quite sure what you'd actually accept as evidence to support that point. If you don't think it holds, please point out an actual reason why, rather than just casually dismissing it. Do you have some evidence to suggest that this isn't happening (or is common for that matter) in other industries, or is it just something that you've come to believe?

Samsung's made a lot of stupid mistakes, but face it- Apple goes after models of their phones that clearly in no way are anything like anything Apple makes. The evidence of that is overwhelming, but still 'team Apple' tries to sweep that fact under the rug.

While not all of Samsung's phones were included in Apple's trade dress and design patent lawsuits, they are also asserting that Samsung violates some of their utility patents. There's more than just one issue at play, and it seems as though you're unintentionally mixing everything together.

That's the issue here, not that there's legitimate intellectual property for things people and companies actually INVENT. Apple didn't invent half the crap its citing to block the products of its competitors.

I'd suggest researching what patents Apple are using against Samsung, analyzing them, and then posting prior art. It seems more often than not, people remark that Apple's patents shouldn't be valid, but can't cite much in the way of prior art.

Anything less just devolves into the same back and forth bickering between the different sides in the debate. No one bothers to post any factual evidence and people end up insulting each other based on their own opinions. No one learns anything, and everyone just gets a little bit more bitter and dismissive.
 

MotionMan

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It doesn't hold water the notion that we shouldn't call Apple out on their shameful abuse of the system. We're supposed to ignore that they are just following a directive handed down from their 'dear leader' to destroy the Android competition at all cost.

I keep hearing this excuse 'that's just the way it is' and yet, when asked, "Okay, fine. So every other company, in every business sector must be constantly exploiting overly-broad patents, and using them to block their competitors's products, right? So where are all these suits? Show us."

And of course to that we get a combination of crickets chirping, and/or excuses, crappy examples from 30 years ago, more excuses, smoke-screening, circling the wagons, etc. etc.

Apple are being patent-douchebags right now, and I don't see any evidence of every other company in every industry doing the same thing, so the 'that's just the way it is' excuse falls flat on its ass.

Samsung sued Apple for patent infringement, too. Why no venom for Samsung?

MotionMan
 

MotionMan

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It's called playing defense you idiot. What is google supposed to do, let Apple walk all over them without fighting back?

Some here would say that Google is currently being patent-douchebags because they are currently using the current laws as they currently stand.

MotionMan
 

MotionMan

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Relax, like attorneys aren't used to people making attorney jokes.

Now who is backpedaling? And I suppose that blacks should be use to people making black jokes and gays be use to people making gay jokes?

Your personal attacks have been reported.

MotionMan
 

Phokus

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Now who is backpedaling? And I suppose that blacks should be use to people making black jokes and gays be use to people making gay jokes?

Your personal attacks have been reported.

MotionMan

I LOL'd. Are you 8 years old or something?
 

Oyeve

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Now who is backpedaling? And I suppose that blacks should be use to people making black jokes and gays be use to people making gay jokes?

Your personal attacks have been reported.

MotionMan
Did a lawyer joke really upset you? Really?
 

MotionMan

Lifer
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I LOL'd. Are you 8 years old or something?

Did a lawyer joke really upset you? Really?

I let it go, as I normally do, since such "lawyer jokes" are generally a sign that the jokester is an idiot lacking actual support for their position and/or sees that he is losing the argument. However, when he decided to actually defend the personal attacks, I decided it was best to nip it.

As with all Apple-bashers, they decided to attack the messenger instead of the message. Unless you want the thread locked, such things must stop early.

MotionMan
 

PlatinumRice

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he either wants people to pay 40$++ more for their smartphones or he's an apple fanboy you can't argue with.
 

PlatinumRice

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Did you read the article? You don't even need to read the article and just focus on the title of the article "American law is patent nonsense". It uses Apple as a case study but the point it's trying to make is that the US Patent system is messed up.

and Apple exploited that flawed system set up by Americans to maintain their market share.
 
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