Apple v. Samsung Jury Decision.

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Phokus

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There's surveys from BB customers stating that people returned Samsung tablets thinking it was an iPad. In any case, that's not the sole reason why Apple was awarded $1B. Android fans will continue to cry till the cows come home though that it was all about rectangles, general public being stupid or that everyone is biased. Forget the mountains of documents and internal memos at Samsung HQ stating their intention of copying the iPhone.

Yes, clearly we should cater to those who can't read.

The only people who will be crying are Apple fans when Android reaches 70% marketshare next year.
 

MrX8503

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Lol at all the "so what" comments. Just because you don't care or think people are too stupid doesn't change the fact that it happened. It also happened enough for those surveys to be publicly released.

I thought there were some internal correspondence between employees where one told the other that they thought the design was biting off of iphone too much. I didn't know that there were memos that expressly state that they wanted to rip off the iphone.

Yes there were detailed internal documents with instructions on copying the iPhone step by step. Even down to copying the sound of the iPhones selection spinner.

The only people who will be crying are Apple fans when Android reaches 70% marketshare next year.

Android has a bigger market share now. Do I care? No. What I care about is if the device I want is available for purchase.
 
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Zaap

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Lol at all the "so what" comments. Just because you don't care or think people are too stupid doesn't change the fact that it happened. It also happened enough for those surveys to be publicly released.
So you think we should ban hair dryers and toaster ovens because it's happend that some people tried to use them while taking a bath?

Lots of stupid stuff happens with consumers. Even if you're so tech-ignorant that you go into a Best Buy looking for an 'iPad' in the generic sense, thinking all tablets are 'iPads', people with actual intelligence can see there are different models with different brand names on them, and ONE of them says... iPad! So you buy THAT ONE, not the one with the big Samsung logo on it. Or heck, if you can't read, you can still ask a clerk, "Hi, where are the iPads." The clerk might actually be able then to lead you to one.

I guess people too stupid to do the above must be Apple's new target demographic. From "The computer for the rest of us" to "Products for utter retards." That'd be fine in and of itself, but where I have a problem is they want to now abuse the system to limit consumer choices for NON-idiots. I have a BIG problem with that.
 
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PlatinumRice

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Lol at all the "so what" comments. Just because you don't care or think people are too stupid doesn't change the fact that it happened. It also happened enough for those surveys to be publicly released.



Yes there were detailed internal documents with instructions on copying the iPhone step by step. Even down to copying the sound of the iPhones selection spinner.



Android has a bigger market share now. Do I care? No. What I care about is if the device I want is available for purchase.

copying =/= infringing patents

if you don't understand that, you're as dumb as the members of the jury who ignored prior art and other obvious things.
 

Dari

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Damn, the anti-Apple people in this thread are the very thing they accuse Apple and their customers of being: demeaning, arrogant, smug know-it-alls. You guys really need to stop being so angry and get laid or something. It's sad to see human beings so anxious and opinionated on something so trivial to them. Samsung is a foreign entity with a foreign culture on innovation. They just do things differently in Korea and China. They'll learn. With that said, don't get stressed over this. It's not healthy...
 

PlatinumRice

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Samsung is a multinational company

It employs more Americans than Apple and sponsors many events across the globe, unlike Apple which just sits on a huge pile of cash and use it to sue its competitors.

Moreover, the myth that Asians are less creative is a myth, since the Windows Mobile OS was designed by a Korean American and Asian Americans produce better patents and scientific researches than White Americans.
 

Dari

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Samsung is a multinational company

It employs more Americans than Apple and sponsors many events across the globe, unlike Apple which just sits on a huge pile of cash and use it to sue its competitors.

Moreover, the myth that Asians are less creative is a myth, since the Windows Mobile OS was designed by a Korean American and Asian Americans produce better patents and scientific researches than White Americans.

Samsung is a Korean company through and through. Look at their board of directors. All Koreans. Conservative too. Stereotypes usually have some truth. Asians are known for making incremential steps, not revolutionary steps. As for your other opinion, I'll just let you sit in your own excrement.
 

Phynaz

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copying =/= infringing patents

if you don't understand that, you're as dumb as the members of the jury who ignored prior art and other obvious things.

Calling people dumb isn't exactly going to get your point across.

It's also against the rules here.
 

PlatinumRice

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Samsung is a Korean company through and through. Look at their board of directors. All Koreans. Conservative too. Stereotypes usually have some truth. Asians are known for making incremential steps, not revolutionary steps. As for your other opinion, I'll just let you sit in your own excrement.

That's absurd, because without Asians there would be no Sillicon Valley. What's more absurd is to compare developing countries with industrialized countries and claim to be more creative. Why don't you back your claims with statistics instead of copying and pasting things you've read on blogs?
 
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Dari

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That's absurd, because without Asians there would be no Sillicon Valley. What's more absurd is to compare developing countries with industrialized countries and claim to be more creative. Why don't you back your claims with statistics instead of copying and pasting things you've read on blogs?

Of course there would be a Silicon Valley without Asians. SV was created 60+ years ago. Of course, Asians have contributed immensely but I seriously doubt they have been the revolutionary types. They usually make things better. We don't need to go to Silicon Valley to see that. Just come to Japan, the most advanced economy in Asia, arguably the world. However, the Japanese here are good for making things better that were discovered or invented elsewhere. It's a cultural thing. Americans are all about the big idea. Asians are about continuous improvements. Anyway, Samsung comes from that culture. They have never discovered anything significant and they were never original inventors. Nothing to be ashamed of. It's just what it is. And it can be a good thing because I rather have a refined product than the original.

However, wrt this trial, Samsung should not lie about inventing Apple innovations or deny copying Apple innovations. They should have settled early on and acknowledged Apple as the leader in this industry (NOT Samsung) and paid accordingly if they are going to borrow.
 

PlatinumRice

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Of course there would be a Silicon Valley without Asians. SV was created 60+ years ago. Of course, Asians have contributed immensely but I seriously doubt they have been the revolutionary types. They usually make things better. We don't need to go to Silicon Valley to see that. Just come to Japan, the most advanced economy in Asia, arguably the world. However, the Japanese here are good for making things better that were discovered or invented elsewhere. It's a cultural thing. Americans are all about the big idea. Asians are about continuous improvements. Anyway, Samsung comes from that culture. They have never discovered anything significant and they were never original inventors. Nothing to be ashamed of. It's just what it is. And it can be a good thing because I rather have a refined product than the original.

However, wrt this trial, Samsung should not lie about inventing Apple innovations or deny copying Apple innovations. They should have settled early on and acknowledged Apple as the leader in this industry (NOT Samsung) and paid accordingly if they are going to borrow.

Name 1 thing Whites have invented in the last 10 years that was revolutionary.

Also, use current statistics when making comparisons.

Japan produces more high-tech trilateral inventions than the U.S.
 

Mopetar

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Asians are known for making incremential steps, not revolutionary steps.

Complete load of crap. There were a lot of things invented in Asian countries that were brought over to Europe and the western world because they didn't have them yet. Furthermore, the only reason you tend to see Korean companies copying rather than innovating is that their industrial economy is fairly young, and their population is more willing to emulate than invent. Japan went through the same phase before it began inventing, and even America went through a similar phase in its history.
 

PlatinumRice

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1/3 of all engineers in Silicon Valley and Indians, so I guess around 2/3 of them are Asians, since there are more Chinese scientists and engineers than Indian scientists and engineers.

75% of all new PHD candidates in science are foreign born right now.
 

Tom

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1/3 of all engineers in Silicon Valley and Indians, so I guess around 2/3 of them are Asians, since there are more Chinese scientists and engineers than Indian scientists and engineers.

75% of all new PHD candidates in science are foreign born right now.

Being Asian or Indian or black or white has nothing to do with anything.

Being American, or for that matter any Western culture, or going to our schools, is what matters.

And for that matter, Japan and South Korea have flourished by adapting some Western ideals to their own cultures.
 

Zaap

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Damn, the anti-Apple people in this thread are the very thing they accuse Apple and their customers of being: demeaning, arrogant, smug know-it-alls.
Heh. You say that as you exhibit every one of those traits, with a little racism tossed in on top of it. Hypocrite.
 

Phokus

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And funny thing about all this talk about innovation: Apple doesn't really innovate at all. They just take other people's ideas and call it their own. It has a fantastic marketing department though.
 

Tom

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The CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray were invented in Japan, just saying.

CD was developed by Philips, then a little while later by Sony.

Innovation ? Or making a deal to acquire tech ?

DVD history (from Wikipedia)

"Representatives of the SD camp approached IBM, asking for advice on the file system to use for their disc as well as seeking support for their format for storing computer data. Alan E. Bell, a researcher from IBM's Almaden Research Center got that request and.."

That isn't in Japan. And that is one of the critical design issues.
 

PlatinumRice

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Most inventions today don't even have names, so to speak. They are most likely sub components of a larger system.
 

Kenmitch

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Apple is known for making incremential steps, not revolutionary steps.

Fixed that part for you

The prior art was very important part and never should have been skipped over. To me it looks like Samsung was doomed from the get go.

The jurer interview isn't a good thing for Apple I'd think. Sounds like it was game over from the start.

Would like to see the jururs stock portfolios to see how much Apple.stock they purchased after day one.
 

bearxor

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How do you figure that? The Galaxy S is a better phone than the iPhone 3GS and 4, Galaxy S2 is a better phone than the 4S, and the Galaxy S3 is completely peerless right now and it is quite unlikely that the iPhone 5 will even match it let alone eclipse it. That's just in terms of product quality. I will grant that I consider the flagship iPad to be the nicest tablet on the market however. If you go into sales Samsung is crushing Apple right now. So Samsung is the one that can't compete? Samsung didn't sue Apple first.

That's your opinion, not fact. For instance, I sold an iPhone 4 to try a Samsung Galaxy Nexus. I wish I had the iPhone 4 back. I think a phone from the middle of 2010 is better than Google's best phone today.

But that doesn't make my opinion fact.
 

akugami

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I know some people label anyone who is even remotely pro-Apple as being blind and living under a "reality distortion field" but some of the people defending Samsung on here are just as blind. They ignore any and all facts if it is even slightly pro-Apple and they will blindly attack and make crap up in their rush to defend Samsung.

The judge threw out some Samsung evidence. That must mean the judge is biased doesn't it? Even though it's been pointed out multiple times Samsung's lawyers screwed up. Yes, Samsung's hired lawyers were incompetent so it must mean the judge is out to get Samsung. You smell that? It's called bull shit.

The jury determined Samsung was guilty because of evidence like Samsung's internal emails about the differences between Samsung phones and the iPhone and even offered a point by point analysis of what they needed to do to make their phones more iPhone like. This must mean the jury is biased against Samsung right? Let's take another sniff. I smell bull shit.

I would like to ask the Samsung apologists on here to explain this article and how there can be so many similarities between Samsung's devices and Apple's.
 
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