Apple v. Samsung Jury Decision.

[Dari]

It's a good day for the good guys.

 

[Slick5150]

It's a good day for the good guys.

Patent trolls?

 

[Dari]

Patent trolls?

Nope. Innovators. Before Apple, Samsung was heavily copying Nokia and RIM, amongst others, as can be clearly seen in the MotionMan's post. Samsung needs to go their own way and stop copying.

 

[The_Dude8]

so no more rectangular shape phone from samsung?

 

[cheezy321]

so no more rectangular shape phone from samsung?

Yep and the jury put out a warning that the next device maker to come out with a rectangular shaped phone owes apple eleventy billion dollars.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Holy crap, 1bn is a shitload of money...

 

[Mopetar]

What does this mean for us?
Do we have to surrender our new SGS3's?
No more new Andriod phones?
Samsung stock tanks?
I have to get the iPhone 5 now?

Not a lot really.

Essentially this just covers phones that are several years old at this point and unlikely to be on sale. The SGS3 (and probably most of Samsung's devices going forward) aren't going to be involved in suits over design patents and most if not all of Apple's utility patents have been designed around by this point.

Not sure what it means for Samsung (if anything) as they make enough money to cover the fine in a week or so, so I doubt it will have a huge impact on their long term stock price or business. They'll probably be more inclined to avoid making their devices look like Apple's products and will continue to patch their software to get around any other patents Apple asserts.

Definitely not the end of the world and it really doesn't matter anyway since it's going to get appealed (and the result of the appeal might also get appealed, and so on) so nothing is really settled.

In short, it's not the end of the world and the sky isn't falling.

 

[Mopetar]

Holy crap, 1bn is a shitload of money...

Not for a company like Samsung. Their annual revenue is over $100 billion. Even from last years profit (which is going to be less than this years) it doesn't even amount to 10% of their overall profit. I'm sure that they'd rather have that money, but if $1 billion is the cost for their current position in the market, I'm sure that they'll pay it gladly.

 

[Phokus]

Nope. Innovators. Before Apple, Samsung was heavily copying Nokia and RIM, amongst others, as can be clearly seen in the MotionMan's post. Samsung needs to go their own way and stop copying.

LULZ, please, all of the 'innovation' that apple did has already been done before. Don't tell me you're one of those people who think Apple invented things like multitouch. The reality distortion field is amazing.

Apple = greatest thieves of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

 

[386DX]

This is pretty much to be expected, after Apple got their smoking guns into evidence (internal Samsung memos/e-mails and Google's e-mails to Samsung). Samsung knew it too, as they spent the last days of the trial trying to minimize damages. Whatever Apple was asking for in settlement, it must have been really insane for Samsung to turn it down and have to go in knowing they'd get an unfavorable verdict.

Apple wanted $30 per phone and $40 to "license". Samsung sold 50 million smartphones last quarter, at $30 a phone that's $1.5 Billions in licensing fees just for a quarter. It would be insane for Samsung or any company to accept that kind of licensing deal.

The verdict wasn't to surprising, not so much because of the evidence but more so because of the Judge imo. Even before the trial you knew Judge Koh already had her mind made up. And some things in the trial like not allowing Samsung to introduce prior art, etc. is a subtle even subconscious hint to the jurors which way to decide. Not to mention the case was literally in Apple Headquarters (within 10 miles).

What's more interesting is while the Jury in the US found Samsung phones to infringe on Apple patents, the Galaxy Tab got away with no infringement. This is complete opposite of the rest of the world (UK, Germany, Netherlands, Japan, Australia) where the only products that were found to infringe was the tablets (in Germany, Netherlands, originally in Australia) and not the phones. More proof the US must be smarter then the rest of the world

Lastly if the smoking gun was emails then when the iPad mini comes out Samsung should sue Apple since there was emails from Apple designer who picked up a 7" tablet from a competitor because the 10" iPad was to big to be portable and that Apple needed to make a smaller iPad. Finally if a Galaxy S with a 4" (1.67 aspect ratio) is a copy of an iPhone with a 3.5" (1.5 aspect ratio) that would mean when the iPhone 5 with a 4" (1.76 aspect ratio) copied the Galaxy S? The jury has already decided that the Galaxy S copied the iPhone 3GS but imo Samsung saw what people wanted and put out an iPhone 5 three years before Apple (4" screen, drop down notification, etc).

 

[geokilla]

It's a good day for the good guys.

Lawyers right? Because of not..

 

[jpeyton]

Luckily, as the largest smartphone vendor in the world, Samsung can afford this judgement and move on.

They already made a record $6 billion in profits last quarter led largely by smartphone sales; my guess is that this judgement will give them a one-quarter hit on their bottom line at best.

 

[deathBOB]

I derive pleasure from the handwringing caused by this verdict.

 

[zerogear]

LULZ, please, all of the 'innovation' that apple did has already been done before. Don't tell me you're one of those people who think Apple invented things like multitouch. The reality distortion field is amazing.

Apple = greatest thieves of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-dqUuvLk4&feature=player_detailpage#t=307s

That video probably proves your point better.

 

[akugami]

Nah, it will be the the judge was on Apple's side and wouldn't let Samsung present their evidence.

You DO realize that Samsung's lawyers presented said evidence after the deadline imposed by the judge had passed? It's like when you're in school. The prof gives you a week to do your report. You turn it in 8 days later. Prof looks at you and walks away. And that was on more than one occasion where Samsung toed the line and turned in evidence late or some evidence at the last minute.

Samsung should probably hire other lawyers to sue these lawyers for incompetence.

LULZ, please, all of the 'innovation' that apple did has already been done before. Don't tell me you're one of those people who think Apple invented things like multitouch. The reality distortion field is amazing.

Apple = greatest thieves of all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Wouldn't that be Samsung? Stealing is part of Samsung's corporate culture.

In a previous thread you claimed Apple did greater harm to consumers and I pointed out how much harm Samsung and their executives did to the general taxpaying populace. You never did defend your claim.

Samsung's CEO squirreled away and hid millions to evade taxes. That's pretty much stealing from the general populace. Oh...and the Korean president is in Samsung's back pocket so Samsung's CEO got a national pardon and is right back at the top...stealing. And this isn't Samsung's first time at the rodeo on the defensive side of litigation where they are accused of patent infringement.

So how are those at Apple the greatest thieves of all time?

 

[Oyeve]

Just makes apple more of an asshole company. Even dead jobs is a douche. I look forward the the sgs4.

 

[MrX8503]

LULZ, please, all of the 'innovation' that apple did has already been done before. Don't tell me you're one of those people who think Apple invented things like multitouch. The reality distortion field is amazing.

Apple = greatest thieves of all time

Was there a smartphone that was mass produced with multitouch and kinetic scrolling before the iPhone?

Samsung had the Galaxy S(iPhone), blackjack(blackberry), and blade(razr). All copies.

What device did the iPhone copy? The PDA? Lol

 

[Blueychan]

The ruling. I would say the same thing if this was a lawsuit between any two tech companies. Granting patents for vague and obvious parts of technology only serve to stifle development and put design decisions in the hands of lawyers instead of engineers.

In the end, the customer loses.

How the customer loses when Samsung is forced to innovate instead of ripping off?

 

[Blueychan]

Samsung are a bunch of thieves, they deserve this.

 

[Hard Ball]

Samsung are a bunch of thieves, they deserve this.

Samsung are as much thieves in copying Apple, as Apple is a bunch of thieves in copying the LG Prada.

 

[MrX8503]

When did the Prada come out? Like barely a month before the iPhone? Also what software was it running? Flash Lite if I remember right. Thats cutting edge tech?

 

[Stang289]

Samsung are as much thieves in copying Apple, as Apple is a bunch of thieves in copying the LG Prada.

The LG Prada and iPhone where announced just days apart and released days apart. How did apple pull that one off?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Cool. So I assume you are just trolling then.

Your assumption is wrong and pretty ignorant. Its a sad day for the US jurisdictionary system and once again proves just how flawed the US patent system is. Why? The verdict from the trials completely contrasts what the rest of the world thinks. Some have literally thrown the case out of the door laughing at just how ridiculous some of the claims are.

Yet from this court literally ten metres away from Apple HQ, from a judge whos notorious for being the only judge thats given Apple clear wins from the past is indirectly saying that all the court rulings made from jurisdictionary systems outside the US are completely wrong.

Although Apple has been very "innovative" with the introduction of the iphone/ipad (not so much in the last 2 years) that had become worlds most valuable company DOES not give them the right to be patent trolls. It should not be encouraged especially when the infringememt claims are made around so many ambigious patents.

Its going to be interesting how the google vs apple trial will pan out where this time, they are going after complete bans on all apple mobile devices (phones/tablets).

 

[kaerflog]

The funny thing to me is that it was totally worth it for Samsung to copy Apple.
Samsung was making crappy smartphones that nobody wants before the Galaxy line.
Now the Galaxy brand name is so popular and making Samsung so much money that $1.09 billion dollars is pocket change for them.
Remembered the Samsung Instinct ?? What a crappy attempt for a smartphone.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You DO realize that Samsung's lawyers presented said evidence after the deadline imposed by the judge had passed? It's like when you're in school. The prof gives you a week to do your report. You turn it in 8 days later. Prof looks at you and walks away. And that was on more than one occasion where Samsung toed the line and turned in evidence late or some evidence at the last minute.

Samsung should probably hire other lawyers to sue these lawyers for incompetence.



Wouldn't that be Samsung? Stealing is part of Samsung's corporate culture.

In a previous thread you claimed Apple did greater harm to consumers and I pointed out how much harm Samsung and their executives did to the general taxpaying populace. You never did defend your claim.

Samsung's CEO squirreled away and hid millions to evade taxes. That's pretty much stealing from the general populace. Oh...and the Korean president is in Samsung's back pocket so Samsung's CEO got a national pardon and is right back at the top...stealing. And this isn't Samsung's first time at the rodeo on the defensive side of litigation where they are accused of patent infringement.

So how are those at Apple the greatest thieves of all time?

Stop being so naive. Do you know just how much Apple evades taxes by abusing the holes in the tax system?

The way you portray samsung sounds to me like there should be much much more companies like Apple that would go after them for stealing/infringing. Reality is, that isn't the case. And many fail to realise that most the innovations from Samsung are on the technological level than product level. What they've done in the semiconductor space at the least is far greater than what apple has done at a product level.