Apple v. Samsung Jury Decision.

[Aristotelian]

Could you give an example of a metric you would use to judge the europeon system as superior then?

'The European system'? I was referring to incidences such as this one:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203753704577256920351443722.html

Not arguing that, part and parcel, 'the european system' for protecting intellectual copyrights is better.

 

[JimKiler]

That might be the case. They have already worked around the 381 patent "content bounce on scrolls/pinch-zoom/rotate"; but have yet to work on the workarounds for the other two utility patents. So there will be more updates coming down the pipe in the next few months. These might change the way some elements of the UI operate. But I'm not sure how valid the concern is, given that no one knows what the changes will be exactly yet, and whether they provide the same level of, or degrade, or enhance the UX.

If they just use the existing andriod OS wouldn't that remove the infringment? Listening to TwiT this week they said Andriod does not infringe and Samsung sticking to stock andriod OS would be fine.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

If they just use the existing andriod OS wouldn't that remove the infringment? Listening to TwiT this week they said Andriod does not infringe and Samsung sticking to stock andriod OS would be fine.

The Galaxy Nexus was banned for a short amount of time so even using stock android isn't completely safe.

 

[Hard Ball]

If they just use the existing andriod OS wouldn't that remove the infringment? Listening to TwiT this week they said Andriod does not infringe and Samsung sticking to stock andriod OS would be fine.

They have strong case that a later version like stock ICS does not infringe on any of these patents, since the implementations have been altered for these patents (and other possible things that Apple could claim violation, such as slide to unlock). The jury foreman actually said in an interview that Android itself does not infringe on the SW patents, so they would have a decent, if not good chance of showing that.

One issue of course is that Samsung doesn't use stock android at the moment, and probably won't wholesale change that just to alter a few small parts of the UI. To keep the UI consistent on their devices, they will likely need to workarounds that are specifically conceived for touchwiz. Another issue would be that the there would still be a significant chance something in the current version of Android (ICS/JB) could be found in some infringement in the future, even the existing three patents are not entirely in the clear yet. So Google is likely to pay more attention to certain parts of the UI and unambiguously work around certain areas that may be susceptible for further litigation. That version is likely to appear in the one after KLP, so probably around the middle of next year.

 

[grkM3]

Multi touch is in vanilla android and in almost every single touch screen device on this plan it

Its like patenting a circle and using it as a wheel

 

[buckshot24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAtje5weAU0

old but funny

 

[Oyeve]

I wonder if this bullshit case will affect jb updates for sgs3.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Multi touch is in vanilla android and in almost every single touch screen device on this plan it

Its like patenting a circle and using it as a wheel

but there were concerns initially about multitouch.

When the Droid 1 came out it lacked multitouch. The Milestone (international version) had multitouch. Maps lacked multitouch initially too, but the international version had multitouch.

The Droid 1 later got multitouch like pinch to zoom and stuff, but initially there were legal concerns.

Not sure what was done (dick sucking under the table? lots of lap dances purchased?), but clearly SOMETHING changed.

 

[BladeVenom]

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Sigh

 

[cheezy321]

This was posted to be funny and ironic right? Right?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Ok and what was Android's slide to unlock then? A copy of a copy of a copy? Oh look Apple's so horrible at innovating so we're going to do the same thing too!

When I talked about pinch zooming being a great feature, I remember people on this forum saying how stupid and useless it was and that having zoom buttons was much better.

Who joined the pinch zoom game? Android.

After touting copy and paste functionality on Android, iOS introduced proper copy and paste functionality that is actually usable. Guess what Android did? Finally add cursors.

Siri unoriginal? Okay? What's Google Now? A copy of a copy?

The point is you can almost always find prior art, but almost all those applications you showed were not well recognized. How many people even recognize those SE phones there? I do. I used tons of SE phones back then. The P1i I never held, but sure it was an interesting phone. How many of you looked at unlocked phones back then as foreign and totally unheard of? Yeah. You all had fun with your Motorola RAZRs huh?

Offline navigation has been around for eras. Nokia N series phones had GPS and built in maps. Good job Google?

Anyway, what I'm saying is you can always find prior examples, but both Apple and Android made a lot of things big. Apple finally made a decent touchscreen OS, multitouch gestures useful, slide to unlock etc. Android brought in interesting features like multitasking, notification bar, Google Maps where you don't have an offline database.... Anyone can invent, but not everyone can execute well. There's always inspiration.

 

[WelshBloke]

The point is you can almost always find prior art, but almost all those applications you showed were not well recognized...

The point is that you shouldn't be able to claim sole ownership of something because your way was the most recognised.

 

[Oyeve]

Ok and what was Android's slide to unlock then? A copy of a copy of a copy? Oh look Apple's so horrible at innovating so we're going to do the same thing too!

When I talked about pinch zooming being a great feature, I remember people on this forum saying how stupid and useless it was and that having zoom buttons was much better.

Who joined the pinch zoom game? Android.

After touting copy and paste functionality on Android, iOS introduced proper copy and paste functionality that is actually usable. Guess what Android did? Finally add cursors.

Siri unoriginal? Okay? What's Google Now? A copy of a copy?

The point is you can almost always find prior art, but almost all those applications you showed were not well recognized. How many people even recognize those SE phones there? I do. I used tons of SE phones back then. The P1i I never held, but sure it was an interesting phone. How many of you looked at unlocked phones back then as foreign and totally unheard of? Yeah. You all had fun with your Motorola RAZRs huh?

Offline navigation has been around for eras. Nokia N series phones had GPS and built in maps. Good job Google?

Anyway, what I'm saying is you can always find prior examples, but both Apple and Android made a lot of things big. Apple finally made a decent touchscreen OS, multitouch gestures useful, slide to unlock etc. Android brought in interesting features like multitasking, notification bar, Google Maps where you don't have an offline database.... Anyone can invent, but not everyone can execute well. There's always inspiration.

But android isnt being an asshole and suing anyone over it.

 

[Dominato3r]

The point is you can almost always find prior art, but almost all those applications you showed were not well recognized.

Popularity should have no merit in these conversations. And if popularity is something that can be used in court for this type of thing, then that's just stupid.

 

[MrX8503]

This is how Google avoided copying apple.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/8/2...oided-apples-patents-trade-dress-other-claims

Google has been taking progressive steps over the years to differentiate itself from Apple. If they didn't, Apple would be dropping bombs on their front lawn. Google knows that Androind's original intent was more of a blackberry design.

Google is also distancing itself from Samsung and told Samsung to change their designs years ago.

Apple didn't invent a lot of things, but they were the ones to put all of the tech available together on a silver platter for all other phone competitors. The smartphone industry was a dark dark place before the iPhone.

 

[Aristotelian]

Apple didn't invent a lot of things, but they were the ones to put all of the tech available together on a silver platter for all other phone competitors. The smartphone industry was a dark dark place before the iPhone.

I agree with this. But I'm not sure that providing a general user experience can be patented, when the individual components of that experience were not invented by Apple. Apple popularized smartphones, I think, with the first iPhone. But they should not be able to patent flat screened touch interfaces, at least on my view.

 

[Tom]

The point is that you shouldn't be able to claim sole ownership of something because your way was the most recognised.

Apple doesn't do that. If you actually read the patents, not just abstracts, you'd realize they aren't getting patents for simple concepts but for specific designs and ways of implementing them.

In this case Samsung didn't just adapt certain features, they wanted them to work, act, and feel, the way Apple made those features work on an iphone.

They didn't do that because its the only solution, but because they wanted their phones to be like iphones, for the purpose of selling them in a competitive market.

That IS what they did, and that's what the jury says they did. Its ridiculous for anyone to defend them.

 

[Tom]

I agree with this. But I'm not sure that providing a general user experience can be patented, when the individual components of that experience were not invented by Apple. Apple popularized smartphones, I think, with the first iPhone. But they should not be able to patent flat screened touch interfaces, at least on my view.

So, you think its ok for Kia to make a copy of a Ferrari F40 and sell it ? Its ok to make counterfiet Rolexes ?

And Apple didn't patent flat screen touch interfaces.

 

[Aristotelian]

So, you think its ok for Kia to make a copy of a Ferrari F40 and sell it ? Its ok to make counterfiet Rolexes ?

And Apple didn't patent flat screen touch interfaces.

That isn't what I said (referring to the first part).

Referring to the second (and coupled with your post before that), would you kindly point me to a place where I can read what was patented, and not the abstract?

I have read references (regarding the design/shape) with explicit mention to the flat surface of the iphone and the touch screen interface. If that is even one iota or sub-element of the patent, my glib reference remains valid.

 

[Phokus]

Ok and what was Android's slide to unlock then? A copy of a copy of a copy? Oh look Apple's so horrible at innovating so we're going to do the same thing too!

When I talked about pinch zooming being a great feature, I remember people on this forum saying how stupid and useless it was and that having zoom buttons was much better.

Who joined the pinch zoom game? Android.

After touting copy and paste functionality on Android, iOS introduced proper copy and paste functionality that is actually usable. Guess what Android did? Finally add cursors.

Siri unoriginal? Okay? What's Google Now? A copy of a copy?

The point is you can almost always find prior art, but almost all those applications you showed were not well recognized. How many people even recognize those SE phones there? I do. I used tons of SE phones back then. The P1i I never held, but sure it was an interesting phone. How many of you looked at unlocked phones back then as foreign and totally unheard of? Yeah. You all had fun with your Motorola RAZRs huh?

Offline navigation has been around for eras. Nokia N series phones had GPS and built in maps. Good job Google?

Anyway, what I'm saying is you can always find prior examples, but both Apple and Android made a lot of things big. Apple finally made a decent touchscreen OS, multitouch gestures useful, slide to unlock etc. Android brought in interesting features like multitasking, notification bar, Google Maps where you don't have an offline database.... Anyone can invent, but not everyone can execute well. There's always inspiration.

Apple patented ideas from the sweat of other men and is aggressively attacking others that use the same idea. There's something unsavory about that.

 

[jpeyton]

 

[Oyeve]

:awe:

 

[ControlD]

That is too funny. While I have to admit I am a happy 4S owner, my wife has the Galaxy 3 and the difference really is that startling.

 

[dguy6789]

Pretty sure people defending Apple are only doing so because they simply want Apple to win/want to see others get annoyed(no surprise that many of them are known trolls) and not because they think it's legitimate. The evidence is overwhelming, there is no way anyone could honestly believe Apple is in the right.