Apple vs. PC

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I realize this debate has gone on forever. I've always been on the PC side of things. A few months back I switched over to the iPhone 5S and I love it. I built my own gaming PC and that's not going anywhere. I'm a real estate agent and have recently started making a lot of flyers and brochures etc.

I lost my laptop about 5 months ago (A casualty of a relationship gone sour, and I bought it for $300.00 last Black Friday, so decided wasn't worth the battle)

I'm thinking about getting a MacBook Air/Pro or a Dell XPS 15" Ultra Screen. I know that the pro (would get a 13" retina with a updated i7, and the Dell are both unnecessary for my job, so please, I don't need you to tell me that) I'm a huge fan of the increased pixels though, my gaming PC runs 2k and I love it.

Should I make the leap? I know my way around a PC pretty damn well, but I've just been really impressed with my 5S's reliability and performance. Please once again, I don't need to hear too much about price. I'm looking for somebody with maybe a similar job occupation and their experience.

Thank you
 

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I wouldn't use Apple if you paid me to. Just spent nearly a whole day fiddling with (a friends BLEH) crippled Itunes and a spastic iPad that refused to sync a number of ebooks/pdf's right after iBooks upgraded to a horrific version that killed the bookshelves. Then needed to hunt down an app that would actually organize 400 books, then had to make sure everything was backed and resynced on another PC due to spastic iTunes syncing on only one device, then . . .. . you know what? I gave it back to him and told him to chuck it and buy a Windows tablet.

Spastic retarded locked down restricted trash comes to mind. As for OS X, shoot me first. I'd rather spend a week optimizing Gentoo than trying Crapple again.
 

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The Macbook Airs and Pros are very nice pieces of hardware, especially the Retina Pro. Apple knows what's important in a laptop (Display, Touchpad, Keyboard, SSD in that order) and nails all of those aspects.

Whether or not you like OS X is a preference, personally I love it because I can use all the office productivity apps that I want (MS Office, Adobe Acrobat, etc.) but can still pull up a terminal and SSH into servers when I need to. Granted, that is a pretty specific use case (UNIX sysadmin), but it lets keep a toe in both worlds and use a nice machine at the same time.
 

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Apple always scores the highest in the least amount of returns in Consumer Reports mags above all the other laptop makers. That means a lot if you ask me, knowing their reliable in general at least. Only thing I don't like is the airs don't have big enough screen for what I want.
 

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Apple makes the overall best laptops I've ever worked with. I travel more than half the year, and I'm hard on a laptop. I've had superficial plastic cracks on previous laptops, but my current one, with the solid aluminum chassis, has stood up to the abuse very well. You can even pick the thing up by a corner and it doesn't flex one millimeter. The construction really is amazing.

I've worked with various other brands. Many are good, but there's always something I don't like about it. Sometimes it's the screen, or the keyboard, or the speakers, or the fact that it flexes when I pick it up, or the crappy offshore Indian support. Frequently it's the trackpad, which Apple does so much better than their competitors that it's not even funny. I don't know what they do, but it's just amazingly comfortable and useful. (The trackpad on the exact same machine rebooted into Windows 7, while very functional, doesn't work as well as under the Mac OS. There's definitely a software component to it.)

I have a four-year-old MacBook Pro that's still solid as a rock, and which I plan to keep using until it falls apart, which so far it's refused to do. I'll probably get an SSD soon to make it a bit snappier. My other rig is a homebuilt i5-3570 desktop that I built about a year and a half ago for games and general home use. It's a great combination, and they work very well together.

I use the computers interchangeably. I use DropBox for my active documents, which both computers (and the phone) can access. I use Google Calendar which syncs to my iPhone's and MacBook's calendar applications directly. Firefox is synchronized between the two, and the e-mail is all IMAP and Exchange, so no issues there either.

The only concern would be commercial software, which you'll generally have to repurchase if you're switching platforms. I purchased Office 2010 for Windows and Office 2011 for Mac, and they work perfectly well with each other. (No formatting issues at all, like I've had with previous cross-platform versions.) If you have Office 365, that would work well for this scenario.

Hope that helps!
 

Essence_of_War

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Everything mfenn said.

Build quality is extraordinarily high. If it fits your budget, and you need the combination of portability and productivity that a laptop offers, the MBA and MBP are fantastic choices.
 

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I went through this same exact question myself back 2 years ago. Got a Macbook Air 13" and it's still very solid and great to use. Small learning curve (the close button on the top left of windows and settings/menus in different places). I do have another Lenovo X1 Carbon Ultrabook I use when I need to run Windows. As long as you don't care too much about gaming (heck even casual gaming is OK on the latest Macbooks) I think you're in the clear to try out a Macbook. It's also a great syncing station for your iPhone.

One other thing. If you travel a lot internationally like I do, Apple is pretty much the only one with an international warranty on their notebooks. No other consumer notebooks offer this.

Edit (read your question again):
To answer your question more directly, I've worked with journalists and designers who flyers and brochures and a lot more complicated material. There's a reason Apple is favored among the "creative" crowd. I would even go so far as to recommend you look at the Retina Pro 13" or 15" if you're serious about those brochures. Make sure to get the right software. My own occupation...well let's just say that I don't exactly work in the Apple camp.
 
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Functionally most people can do whatever they do with a 15" laptop that runs bellow $600.

There is nothing that a $1500 - $2000 Mac can do that he sub $500 can.

Nothing is wrong with making Social status decision to the liking of the individual and there is No reason to cover up with technical "Mambo Jumbo".



 

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Macs are a reminder of how important software is in impacting one's user experience...in addition to locked hardware being less likely to break compatibility. What gets attributed to the Windows OS(instability) is likely hardware defects that would down any computer.
 
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I wouldn't use Apple if you paid me to. Just spent nearly a whole day fiddling with (a friends BLEH) crippled Itunes and a spastic iPad that refused to sync a number of ebooks/pdf's right after iBooks upgraded to a horrific version that killed the bookshelves. Then needed to hunt down an app that would actually organize 400 books, then had to make sure everything was backed and resynced on another PC due to spastic iTunes syncing on only one device, then . . .. . you know what? I gave it back to him and told him to chuck it and buy a Windows tablet.

Spastic retarded locked down restricted trash comes to mind. As for OS X, shoot me first. I'd rather spend a week optimizing Gentoo than trying Crapple again.

Avoiding the iTunes Music Store is good advice. Otherwise, well, "My DE is better than your DE." or "vi!" "No, emacs!" "No, nano!"

Otherwise, yeah, everything mfenn said:

The Macbook Airs and Pros are very nice pieces of hardware, especially the Retina Pro. Apple knows what's important in a laptop (Display, Touchpad, Keyboard, SSD in that order) and nails all of those aspects.

Whether or not you like OS X is a preference, personally I love it because I can use all the office productivity apps that I want (MS Office, Adobe Acrobat, etc.) but can still pull up a terminal and SSH into servers when I need to. Granted, that is a pretty specific use case (UNIX sysadmin), but it lets keep a toe in both worlds and use a nice machine at the same time.
 

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u are paying 40% more then the other vendor cuz its apple OS X.
(ignoring if u can get them on sale)

are u really that wishing on OS X.

If your wishing on OS X u really have no choice...

I personally would never buy an apple.
when you open them up they go "DING DING DING DING" and u see the intel processor inside.
So what is so special about the apple minus the presentation?
On laptop terms the only real edge they got is the retina display.

i can do that with a laptop on the same grade and style as the apple for 40% cheaper on a windows platform.
And a laptop is not something i keep for more then 2 yr... i upgrade them like hotcakes when a newer more efficient gen is out... cuz the newer gen stuff is that much more efficient / better.

So if someone was to ask me... a 1600 dollar macbook or a 800 dollar dell/hp every 2 years for 4 yrs.. id pick the dell/hp without skipping a heart beat.
800 dollar Dells/HP are pretty solid as a notebook...

I can also get a windows laptop from Lenovo with SLI and a 2 hour battery life with R0 SSD's for the same price as a MACBOOK.

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ummm yeah... macbook.... OK... I'll accept not having OS X in trade for real value of hardware.
 
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JackMDS

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So if someone was to ask me... a 1600 dollar macbook or a 800 dollar dell/hp every 2 years for 4 yrs.. id pick the dell/hp without skipping a heart beat.
800 dollar Dells/HP are pretty solid as a notebook...

+1

On the other hand when One goes to a business meeting in Midtown Manhattan, all the Gorgeous Ladies (they spend thousands each year on doing "Cosmetic" work too) sit there with the White Apple light Shining from the Laptop Cover onto your face. One might feel uncomfortable with the pale circle of Dell.

So what one does? One is using a MacBook with Win 7 running in BootCamp. - - :sneaky:
As I said, it is money and social status Not Technology.

When it comes to Tablets the iPad is dominant but you start to see people coming with surface, evrey one in the room looks with envy at the Tiles running live feed on the Start screen and it amazes them. So it look like the Surface might become the social sgnature because currently the Dicks, Toms, and Janes all have "common" iPads.


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I can also get a windows laptop from Lenovo with SLI and a 2 hour battery life with R0 SSD's for the same price as a MACBOOK.

If SLI is important to you, you're much better off buying a "portable" gaming notebook, in all its 5kg, 17" glory. Even the nuttiest Apple Fanboi wouldn't dispute that.

Compared to other ultrabooks, they're a lot less than 40% more expensive. Some might even land in the same price ballparks as their Sony and ASUS brethren.
 

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Both platforms can make a lot of sense for those who buy them. So much of what to get depends on what kind of user you are and how you value your time spent working with technology.

I like tinkering. I don't mind mixing and matching hardware and software components from many vendors to create a customized computing experience. For me, the Apple Tax is both a waste of money and limits my options for what I can do.

My wife owns a Mac. She uses technology, but really doesn't want to understand what's going on beneath the hood. She has a relatively straightforward set of tasks to perform, all of which Mac does quite well. She's willing to pay extra for a Macbook and accessories so that she gets something cohesive and simple. For her, that extra cost is worth it.
 
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Moonbeam

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It seems there's a lot of bias for and against Apple. I always thought Apple was too expensive for what you get but I'm reading on my self built desk top how to run my new Ipad mini. I got's a MacBook Pro for a family member in the other room that is loved by the user. The convenience and refinement is pretty impressive if expensive, in my opinion. I'm considering getting a Mac desktop for another family member who has lately been hogging mine. I think if you feel a pull to use Apple I'd go for it if you can handle the freight. It seems to me that Apple does a great job making ownership a treat. Good luck in your decision.
 

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If SLI is important to you, you're much better off buying a "portable" gaming notebook, in all its 5kg, 17" glory. Even the nuttiest Apple Fanboi wouldn't dispute that.

Compared to other ultrabooks, they're a lot less than 40% more expensive. Some might even land in the same price ballparks as their Sony and ASUS brethren.

well i was saying one could get that much more hardware..

You can not tell me or convince anyone a ultrabook on the same class as a macbook will cost exactly the same.
There is always a markup with the name associated with APPLE.

You can not also tell me apple macbooks are on sale more then the Samsung/ASUS ultra books do.
Because Apple and the word Sale is Taboo.... or inventory cleaning.

As i said if ur on a apple because of OS X, there isnt much one can do about it.

I am not going to poke and make fun at your selection of OS.
At the end of the day, your PC still makes a "ding ding ding ding" noise associated with intel, and is part of my desktop processors family.

However i just cant justify the price on that... id rather get a extra SSD or something more then the added price of the word "apple" when i can care less about OS X.

I always tell my friends this too, if ur comfortable with your iphone.. get a MAC, and leave me alone.


Usually they are happy when they do so, because OS X feels comfortable to them due to iOS.
Although they are not remotely related..

But seriously... Red Vs. Blue...(AMD vs Intel) Green vs. Red....(Nvidia vs AMD)
Apple Vs. Windows, is like, (Sky Blue vs Blue.) its the same hardware.
 
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I'm a real estate agent and have recently started making a lot of flyers and brochures etc.

What software were you using to do that? What software were you planning to use for the same functions on OS X? When choosing a platform (I use both Windows and OS X) software is key.

Why not just use your gaming box to do the work and pick up an iPad to handle mobile chores where an iPhone doesn't quite cut it? If you like the iPhone you will certainly like an iPad.

-KeithP
 

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Functionally most people can do whatever they do with a 15" laptop that runs bellow $600.

There is nothing that a $1500 - $2000 Mac can do that he sub $500 can.

Nothing is wrong with making Social status decision to the liking of the individual and there is No reason to cover up with technical "Mambo Jumbo".

Hyperbole does not become you. Certainly there is a premium associated with Apple hardware, but it is not a three times markup. Show me a sub $500 PC laptop with a good keyboard, good touchpad, high-res IPS screen, and an SSD for primary storage (8GB cache does not count).

I searched Newegg and the closest match that I could find for the 13" Retina MBP was this Dell XPS 12 for $1060. 13" Retina MBP price? $1300. That's a 23% markup, not a 200%, so you are off by an order of magnitude.
 
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I got to say here in Europe no one buys Apple because for the same price you can get much better hardware.

Plus the Apple laptops in general for some reason seem to weight a lot more than their counterparts from Asus, Acer, Dell, etc...

Ultimately it comes down to preference I'd say, but the Apple laptops are really standard and boring these days, everyone in the USA has them, so its not like its a unique product, even though Apple still likes to advertise it like that.
 

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I got to say here in Europe no one buys Apple because for the same price you can get much better hardware.

Plus the Apple laptops in general for some reason seem to weight a lot more than their counterparts from Asus, Acer, Dell, etc...

Ultimately it comes down to preference I'd say, but the Apple laptops are really standard and boring these days, everyone in the USA has them, so its not like its a unique product, even though Apple still likes to advertise it like that.

For the same price you get much better hardware? I would say that you may get slightly better hardware at a lower cost but you forego many things that make Apple notebooks different from others. Apple notebooks are superior is almost every way except upgradebility.

So if a product is widely used, it is boring and bland? I would say that Apple notebooks are the opposite of that. They may have certain design characteristics but I would not use the word boring. Plain and simple in a nice way.

I can't argue with anyone else's opinion because that is their opinion. Everyone has a right to it. However, Apple's notebooks are priced accordingly to what they deliver. In a notebook, sometimes it's more than the actual hardware inside it. Also, the hardware inside most Macbooks is very much comparable to other PC notebooks.
 

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My wife and daughter have MacBook Pros and have constant lock up issues, weird trackpad issues where you lose the ability to scroll or the pointer starts jumping all over the screen.

But I think the biggest thing that turned me off to macs was when she first bought a 17" MacBook and the font size was so small for everything in the system you couldn't read anything unless you have superman vision. There are several hacks available, but Apple doesn't provide any ability to customize the system font. The internet is riddled with people complaining about it, yet when we called Apple support they said they've never heard of anybody ever complaining about that before.
 

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First of all, I want to emphasize that I don't know much about the technical side of computers, nor do I work in the industry, so everything I'm saying in this post is just my (very humble) opinion, even if my writing style doesn't corroborate that.

I used to think that Apple merely charged a premium for standard parts. Maybe they did at first, but as friends and people who generally agreed with me began to try Apple products and like them, I was forced to reconsider my stance. In the last 2 years or so I've bought an ipad and an iphone and have used a variety of Apple products and have changed my opinion. I should mention that it's often been other company's failings rather than apples perks that have led me to chose Apple over other alternatives. For example I had an HTC desire which I purchased on release on a 2 year contract. It wouldn't update past android version 2.2, and 18 months into the contract I was over 2 full versions of android behind, meaning I couldn't get lots of newly released apps etc. I've loved my iphone because it's worked how it was supposed to. The only time I had a problem with it is when the on button broke, and apple gave me a brand new phone within 2 days. I can put up with the pretentious store layout and "genius" workers for that level of customer service. My ipad I've found less useful, but after having owned it for 2 years I've come to the conclusion that I'd have the same issues with any tablet; i.e. I don't know what to use it for apart from watching tv shows in bed. I originally bought it for use in lectures, but I found that I can't do anything productive on tablets due to the lack of keyboard + mouse, the touch screen is generally awful for playing games, and browsing while possible I still find a pain in the ass, because I like to have 5+ tabs open and switch between them quickly.

There a few reasons why I think people opt for Apple over other companies. It's basically mandatory these days to own a phone and a computer of some sort. You can't function properly without e-mails, access to the internet, and in most people's case word processing. Not everybody has the time/mind to learn the ins and outs of how their computer works. Apple does the best job of minimizing the knowledge the user needs in order to operate their computer the way they'd like. Most people with any decent experience of using windows would argue that windows isn't hard to use either, but I think they underestimate how bad some people can be with computers. Some people have no intuition of how toolbars work, no knowledge of where their programs install to, what the difference between a shortcut and the actual file is e.t.c. And this kind of knowledge is required as soon as something doesn't install properly (for example, the question "do I download the 64bit version or the 32 bit version" will leave most people stumped). Combine this lack of knowledge with an inability to use Google properly, and you have a helpless user, who now dislikes Windows.

It's been said that people only have trouble with windows because they aren't willing to commit to learning how a PC works and that could be true but that doesn't change their attitude. There's a good analogy in the early car industry. When cars first became available to the average person, it took a lot of knowledge about engines and the workings of a car in general to keep them up and running. Each person would basically be the mechanic of their own car. Nowadays you don't need to know how a car works in order to use one, and if something does go wrong you take it to an expert. Apple is doing the same with computers. There is the attention that Apple pays to design. Aesthetics matter to most people, even if they're not the most important influence on one's decision of what to buy. For example, the portability/power ratio of the new macbooks is unrivaled. They manage to fit decent components inside a very small shell, while maintaining good looks and low weight. It feels like other companies are playing catch-up as far as laptops are concerned. Apple seems to be the first company to systematically consider real-world factors such as portability/power, aesthetics, battery life and ease of use, and come up with a product that comes close to maximizing these considerations in the frame of current technology.

Apple's marketing is miles ahead of its rival companies; they don't explicitly tell you that their products are superior, the advertising makes you think you came to the conclusion yourself after careful consideration. They stick to their minimalist grey/white theme which has become their signature style; you could recognize a new apple product at a glance even without the logo. The naming system of their products also helps; for example every new iteration of the ipad is just called the ipad, so that it feels as though they only have one product per category (i.e. one tablet, one laptop, one phone...). There are a lot of phones on the market at the moment and it's hard to be across the pros and cons of every model. When other companies are releasing 2 or 3 products for every 1 that apple release, all with different names and purposes, it gives the impression that they're firing from the hip while apple line up their shot and hit the center. The lack of direct competition apple has is disappointing; they have their own operating system and manufacture products to work with it, and every apple product interacts with the others so that once the consumer has invested in one apple product, they are more likely to invest in another. When I walk around my university campus 75% of the laptops and tablets, and maybe 50% of the phones I see are apple. Even ignoring everything I've said so far, one has to admit that for whatever reason, apple has a grasp on the market. It's almost feels like living in a communist state when everyone you see has the same model of gadget. This is a major put off for me, I don't like dependency on one brand, and I enjoy variety.

I think the reason apple doesn't dominate on the desktop front is that form factor matters much less. Even the most materialistic people realize that you don't need a lightweight, portable desktop, nor do you particularly want a pretty one; it spends its entire lifetime under a desk not being looked at. Still a number of them are sold due to commitment to the brand, and relative simplicity of the operating system. I built my own windows desktop and prefer it over any mac I've used, mainly due to the customization you can have with self built pc in conjunction with windows. There are still a lot of programs and games that work best/only work with windows.
 
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