To clarify, are all Broadwell Y variants now renamed Core M or only some parts?
Look at the pic, the hinge covers the entirety of the side of the screen half. The bottom half will look exactly the same.
Also you are way off on 7.9mm. I put my 7.2mm iPhone 5s beside it and it's exactly by the pic.
Based on the pic it is at most 7.5mm thin as a whole.
Even if your poor estimates based on nothing but conjecture were correct, it still only leaves 5mm for the whole body including keyboard. Surface pro 3 is like 8mm and it has no keyboard nor does it need space for a clamshell.
I frequently miss your point about many things.You are totally missing my point about thickness.
Really, Core M is the marketing name. I think those skus are still considered their Y series internally, but I could be wrong.To clarify, are all Broadwell Y variants now renamed Core M or only some parts?
Yeah, I just think that early adopters of the rMBA would get shafted terribly hard if it were the only ARM Mac device. Apple would need to have a CPU capable of taking on Intel's to do a launch across the entire mac specturm, and they're a few years out, even if they keep at their current rate.Yeah - I'm in the camp that we will see Apple move some x86 based products to ARM one day and the MBA being the most likely candidate. However Apple has been pretty methodical in how they progress their roadmap and 2015 feels too soon.
Having some base MBA product with an ARM SOC while simultaneously selling and supporting x86 versions sounds like a nightmare for consumers and Apple. And they won't/can't get rid of Intel in this line until they have a SOC that matches the performance of the top tier MBA - 1.7Ghz i7 with 8GB of memory.
Then the software branch would also be a PITA to manage. So it's not to say Apple couldn't do it - they certainly can - but it would be a far more disjointed change than I see them making. If they do it, it'll be when they can transition the entire MBA line at once and have a clean cut-over.
Have you guys taken a look at the leaked photos? This thing is 100% ARM, just look at the size of it!
Let's assume the next MBA will be Broadwell based. Then what's held Apple back from releasing it already?
Some theories:
1. Apple was not satisfied with the Broadwell Y Core M 5Y70 performance, so they are waiting for Intel to provide a better SKU that satisfies their requirements. E.g. higher clocks at same TDP, maybe the 5Y71 model or even better.
2. Apple is expecting the new MBA to sell in very high volumes. So they have to wait for Intel to build up a sufficiently large stock of 5Y71 chips before launch. Normally Intel has already built up sufficient stock of CPUs when they launch a new CPU. But given the 14 nm yield issues, this may have taken longer than expected. So maybe they released small quantities of Core M in late 2014 (not sufficient volumes for Apple though) to still be able to claim a 2014 Broadwell release, and then make the "actual" launch in 2015?
What do you guys think is most likely, and are there any alternative theories?
We know the iPad Air 2 in the picture is ~6.1 mm thick. Setting that as our scale, we can see the hinge on the display is ~1.26x the thickness of the iPad Air 2, so we get a number around 7.7 mm. Including the base would only add to that number.
For reference, the Samsung ATIV Book 9 (2015) is 11.68 mm thick, and it uses a full-sized USB port.
I frequently miss your point about many things.
As for the rest of your comment it runs on a lot of assumptions, and I rather deal with what is known and I will not speculate when there are lots of assumptions for I want solid ground for speculation.
Let's assume the next MBA will be Broadwell based. Then what's held Apple back from releasing it already?
Some theories:
1. Apple was not satisfied with the Broadwell Y Core M 5Y70 performance, so they are waiting for Intel to provide a better SKU that satisfies their requirements. E.g. higher clocks at same TDP, maybe the 5Y71 model or even better.
2. Apple is expecting the new MBA to sell in very high volumes. So they have to wait for Intel to build up a sufficiently large stock of 5Y71 chips before launch. Normally Intel has already built up sufficient stock of CPUs when they launch a new CPU. But given the 14 nm yield issues, this may have taken longer than expected. So maybe they released small quantities of Core M in late 2014 (not sufficient volumes for Apple though) to still be able to claim a 2014 Broadwell release, and then make the "actual" launch in 2015?
What do you guys think is most likely, and are there any alternative theories?
Let's assume the next MBA will be Broadwell based. Then what's held Apple back from releasing it already?
Some theories:
1. Apple was not satisfied with the Broadwell Y Core M 5Y70 performance, so they are waiting for Intel to provide a better SKU that satisfies their requirements. E.g. higher clocks at same TDP, maybe the 5Y71 model or even better.
2. Apple is expecting the new MBA to sell in very high volumes. So they have to wait for Intel to build up a sufficiently large stock of 5Y71 chips before launch. Normally Intel has already built up sufficient stock of CPUs when they launch a new CPU. But given the 14 nm yield issues, this may have taken longer than expected. So maybe they released small quantities of Core M in late 2014 (not sufficient volumes for Apple though) to still be able to claim a 2014 Broadwell release, and then make the "actual" launch in 2015?
What do you guys think is most likely, and are there any alternative theories?
Hmm yes let's stop speculating now that you have no argument? No thanks.
Neither is likely. Apple won't use Broadwell because it's junk for anything less than 80 watt TDP.
TreVader said:It's going to be hilarious when Apple reveals this an I'm the only one on this whole tech forum who saw it coming
Broadwell U is out, core M is out, yet no retina MacBook Air. Hmmmm...
What do you guys think is most likely, and are there any alternative theories?
No, I will not speculate on broadwell's battery life when we have limited data points on broadwell's battery life mainly the Yoga 3. Since I do not know Broadwell's battery life I will not extrapolate whether something is broadwell or not saying it has to be or it can't be broadwell due to an unknown which is battery life.
But then again you can be quite hyperbolic and thus often can be quite obtuse, after all you then do this hyperbolic statement which shows your understanding of the cpu market to be limited
There is nothing like the efficiency of haswell and probably broadwell in the 15w segment, let alone higher tdps. Junk for anything less than 80w tdp (roll eyes)
How much you want to bet that the next airs are going to stay intel? It does not have to be something physical but on an emotional scale what would you be willing to bet, how much pride would you be willing to give up if you are wrong, or gain if you are right?
I am being serious, would you stake your name or some other claim on this, whether apple will stick with intel for the airs?
FWIW Dell disagrees with you.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...l-says-its-ready-for-apples-next-macbook-air/
Glad we can have you on record saying that Intel chips can't be in thin machines.
No, I will not speculate on broadwell's battery life when we have limited data points on broadwell's battery life mainly the Yoga 3. Since I do not know Broadwell's battery life I will not extrapolate whether something is broadwell or not saying it has to be or it can't be broadwell due to an unknown which is battery life.
But then again you can be quite hyperbolic and thus often can be quite obtuse, after all you then do this hyperbolic statement which shows your understanding of the cpu market to be limited
There is nothing like the efficiency of haswell and probably broadwell in the 15w segment, let alone higher tdps. Junk for anything less than 80w tdp (roll eyes)
How much you want to bet that the next airs are going to stay intel? It does not have to be something physical but on an emotional scale what would you be willing to bet, how much pride would you be willing to give up if you are wrong, or gain if you are right?
I am being serious, would you stake your name or some other claim on this, whether apple will stick with intel for the airs?
I am already staking my name on this forum. I'm not sure, I don't gamble with money as a principle but other stuff I'm fine with.
I expect to be roundly ridiculed if this thing comes out with Intel, but if it turns out to be ARM I would hope to gain some modicum of respect.
That is all I am asking, you emphatically are placing a wager even if there is nothing physical at state. You are placing your name on the line and are expecting positive or negative consequences (such as positive or negative social fame) if you are right or wrong.
We shall see...we shall see. I expect it will be core m, but I would be ecstatic if its ARM and its a no compromise device that is equivalent to core m. (And will be so pissed if its ARM and it is sucky and core m is superior in other devices.) If its even better than core m that would be superb, but if its better than core m I would look outside and wonder where the hell is my unicorn that I wanted.
So my bet is on broadwell, probably core m (broadwell y), but broadwell y or u I am not confident enough to place a bet. (I am still pretty sure it will be core m).
Broadwell 1H 2015 -> Apple does not launch new laptops -> Skylake 2H 2015 -> Apple launches laptops with ARMThe thing that makes me think apple is going to ARM more than anything else is the fact that they did not debut Broadwell in a MacBook
Wow, so now you're just going to lie outright? . I opened the pic in Photoshop, it's 1.16x which brings the FULL THICKNESS to 7.2mm
I encourage anybody to check themselves or to take their 5s and put it up to the iPad Air 2. I have both and will take pics later today to refute this guy but he's just plain lying, and he also seems to be lying about the "base" being taller than the bottom.
Anybody who's ever bought an apple product knows they love symmetry.
To clarify, are all Broadwell Y variants now renamed Core M or only some parts?
I would like to ask you NOT to put words in my mouth or misrepresent my intentions. The only statement I made regarding the base, is that it would add to the overall thickness, nothing more. The point at the hinge is not the thickest part of a Macbook Air.
Regarding your accusations, that I'm "lying", here is a crude, but simple representation of scale that displays how I came to that approximation:
46/37 = ~ 1.2432
46/36 = ~ 1.2777
Average = ~ 1.2605
Of course there are numerous factors of error that can be introduced when trying to analyse a rather low quality image of a "supposed" MacBook Air display/lid. This is nothing more than speculation.