Apple's 30" LCD now cheaper than Dell's!!!

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well that's fantastic, but there are no coupons out now, and haven't been any for a LONG time now for this monitor. So as for now, Apple's 30" is the best deal, hands down. That's like saying, how can I get the Apple 30" for cheaper than $1999? Wait for it to go on sale?

Hmm, 1999... no thanks. Ill stick to the 1600 (with 3 year warranty) we paid for my 3007 2 months ago from compudirect. They since raised their price to 1800 (with 3 year warranty). Just because the Apple's MSRP is cheaper than the DELL right now doesnt mean anything. Dell allows other retailers to sell below MSRP, apple on the other hand will castrate any reseller that undercuts MSRP.

Could you provide me a link where I could buy the 3007WFP for $1800?

all you have to do is know a guy who knows a guy who gets them at cost who will sell them to you! c'mon man!

the amount of hatred to support a subpar product in this thread is amusing. dell quality is not what it once was, nor is their support. it's unfortunate, but it is what it is. i realize people like to hate on apple, but there's a point that it just becomes ridiculous.

 

[electrosoccertux]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Eh... I'm sure the Dell will receive a price cut soon putting it below the Apple model. Plus, if I remember correctly, isn't the Dell a superior panel in terms of tech specs?

"The Specs" are exactly the same. Its the exact same panel made by LG/Phillips. So the only difference is in how bright they cook the lamps and the variety of inputs. The Dell wins in both of the categories.

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Could you provide me a link where I could buy the 3007WFP for $1800?

Well I suppose they upped their price again... but here, 1900 now with a 4 year warranty, still cheaper than Apple:

http://www.compudirect.com/cgi-bin/product_view.cgi?HOME_06-102&cart

Im still not sure how I got lucky and hit them for 1550+shipping on my 3007 with 3 year warranty.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: electrosoccertux

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Eh... I'm sure the Dell will receive a price cut soon putting it below the Apple model. Plus, if I remember correctly, isn't the Dell a superior panel in terms of tech specs?

"The Specs" are exactly the same. Its the exact same panel made by LG/Phillips. So the only difference is in how bright they cook the lamps and the variety of inputs. The Dell wins in both of the categories.

How does Dell win in variety of inputs on the 30"? Dell has USB 2.0 ports with a DVI connection. The Apple has USB 2.0 AND Firewire ports with a DVI connector. Apple wins in that category.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: electrosoccertux
"The Specs" are exactly the same. Its the exact same panel made by LG/Phillips. So the only difference is in how bright they cook the lamps and the variety of inputs. The Dell wins in both of the categories.

And also cost of warranty.

But you're right. Dell wins, hands down.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
How does Dell win in variety of inputs on the 30"? Dell has USB 2.0 ports with a DVI connection. The Apple has USB 2.0 AND Firewire ports with a DVI connector. Apple wins in that category.

The Dell 3007 has 4 USB 2.0 ports. Firewire? Meh. I'd take the 2 extra USB ports over Firewire.

But it's your money.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JackBurton
How does Dell win in variety of inputs on the 30"? Dell has USB 2.0 ports with a DVI connection. The Apple has USB 2.0 AND Firewire ports with a DVI connector. Apple wins in that category.

The Dell 3007 has 4 USB 2.0 ports. Firewire? Meh. I'd take the 2 extra USB ports over Firewire.

But it's your money.

I'd rather have a variety, instead of more of the same. But that's me.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: electrosoccertux
"The Specs" are exactly the same. Its the exact same panel made by LG/Phillips. So the only difference is in how bright they cook the lamps and the variety of inputs. The Dell wins in both of the categories.

And also cost of warranty.

But you're right. Dell wins, hands down.

The cost of Apple's extended 3 yr warranty is $99 which still falls under (by $100) Dell's 30" MSRP. So no, Dell loses again in that catergory.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: electrosoccertux
"The Specs" are exactly the same. Its the exact same panel made by LG/Phillips. So the only difference is in how bright they cook the lamps and the variety of inputs. The Dell wins in both of the categories.

And also cost of warranty.

But you're right. Dell wins, hands down.

The cost of Apple's extended 3 yr warranty is $99 which still falls under (by $100) Dell's 30" MSRP. So no, Dell loses again in that catergory.

if you're a student the apple display is an even better deal.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
The cost of Apple's extended 3 yr warranty is $99 which still falls under (by $100) Dell's 30" MSRP. So no, Dell loses again in that catergory.

Who pays MSRP?

I guess you don't really have a choice with Apple.

 

[rivan]

Ok, Jack, it's clear whose drum you're beating... we all get it. You like the Apple monitor. We all get it... seriously.

The bottom line here is that they're different products at different price ranges with different companies behind them. There won't be a universal winner with the kinds of differences there are here. Firewire isn't important to some people, but obviously is for you. Some people like sleek aluminum design, others don't give a carp. What's important to each person determines the 'winner' for them.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Could you provide me a link where I could buy the 3007WFP for $1800?

Well I suppose they upped their price again... but here, 1900 now with a 4 year warranty, still cheaper than Apple:

http://www.compudirect.com/cgi-bin/product_view.cgi?HOME_06-102&cart

Im still not sure how I got lucky and hit them for 1550+shipping on my 3007 with 3 year warranty.

That's actually not a bad deal, but their reseller rating isn't spectacular.

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Could you provide me a link where I could buy the 3007WFP for $1800?

Well I suppose they upped their price again... but here, 1900 now with a 4 year warranty, still cheaper than Apple:

http://www.compudirect.com/cgi-bin/product_view.cgi?HOME_06-102&cart

Im still not sure how I got lucky and hit them for 1550+shipping on my 3007 with 3 year warranty.

That's actually not a bad deal, but their reseller rating isn't spectacular.

The only reason I mentioned them, is because I got my 3007WFP for dirt cheap from them (1550+Shipping, 3 year warranty)

The fact remains, Apple stuff sells for MSRP ONLY, minus a student discount for some. Dell on the other hand allows resellers to go below MSRP. So the apple simply cant compete with the Dell on price.

Features/Look are a different story, and Im not debating that, but the OP's claim that the apple is cheaper than the dell is false, just looking at pricegrabber, theres 3 Companies selling a 3007 WFP for under 2000 dollars (1775,1825,1925. On the other hand, the Apple is 2000 no matter what. Street price matters a whole lot more than MSRP, and the fact is with apple, street price is MSRP, with Dell it is not.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Could you provide me a link where I could buy the 3007WFP for $1800?

Well I suppose they upped their price again... but here, 1900 now with a 4 year warranty, still cheaper than Apple:

http://www.compudirect.com/cgi-bin/product_view.cgi?HOME_06-102&cart

Im still not sure how I got lucky and hit them for 1550+shipping on my 3007 with 3 year warranty.

That's actually not a bad deal, but their reseller rating isn't spectacular.

The only reason I mentioned them, is because I got my 3007WFP for dirt cheap from them (1550+Shipping, 3 year warranty)

The fact remains, Apple stuff sells for MSRP ONLY, minus a student discount for some. Dell on the other hand allows resellers to go below MSRP. So the apple simply cant compete with the Dell on price.

Features/Look are a different story, and Im not debating that, but the OP's claim that the apple is cheaper than the dell is false, just looking at pricegrabber, theres 3 Companies selling a 3007 WFP for under 2000 dollars (1775,1825,1925. On the other hand, the Apple is 2000 no matter what. Street price matters a whole lot more than MSRP, and the fact is with apple, street price is MSRP, with Dell it is not.

Look, I'm not going by pricewatch (pricegrabber, whatever) prices. I'm not going to include some shady mechant's price just because they have the lowest price. Why? Because if I was going to purchase the LCD, I sure as hell wouldn't be purchasing it from them. I'm going by what Dell themselves sells it for, that's it. Yes, Dell has had some coupons for their 30" LCD, and their prices have even gone as low as ~$1700, but they haven't done that in a loooong time. As for now, if Joe Blow wanted to purchase a 30" LCD, Apple's would be cheaper. I sure as hell wouldn't recommend a friend to buy a $1700 LCD from a questionable merchant on that pricegrabber list. If you want to take a chance with it, be my guest.

Yes, Apple's prices don't fluctuate (except for student discounts), but for now, their price tag IS cheaper and it is the same everywhere. Who cares if their prices don't fluctuate if their current price is cheaper than the competition. I can also walk into CompUSA, Fry's or an Apple store and pick one up, NOW. Not have to wait for it to be delivered.

These are some weak ass excuses you guys are throwing out. If I came in here and said, "Dell lowered their price on their 30" LCD to $1700, $300 cheaper than Apple's LCD," people would be scrambling to Dell's site to pick one up and not say a peep over the comparison. You guys are some pathetic ass geeks, desperately trying to protect Dell's product for some moronic reason. Like I said, I actually like the looks of the 30" Apple over the Dell, but a $300 difference was something I just couldn't overlook, so I was REALLY close to buying the Dell if a coupon became available. I probably would have jumped on it if a coupon came out that brought it down to $1999. The two displays are VERY close spec wise, so there are only two main factors in choosing either or, looks and price. I prefer Apple's looks, and I now definitely prefer Apple's price. It's a no brainer for me. But if someone prefers the Dell, that's great. It's an awesome monitor too. But please, get off this anti-Apple bullsh!t tirade you guys are on. It's freakin' irritating.

 

[Rubycon]

Ok I've used both - Dell 24 and 30 and Apple 23 and 30. The Apple 23 has serious issues so the Dell is far better.

The Dell 30 and Apple 30 are very similar as there are NO adjustments other than power on and brightness. The Dell's stand is adjustable and has a USB 2.0 hub and memory card reader.

The Apple has a firewire hub and not adjustable. So IME the Dell wins. Both have similar image qualities. I have one 3007 that has a weird backlighting issue - when cold it hisses and some of the cathodes don't come on right away but that's just one monitor with an issue and when it warms up the problem is gone.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: rivan
Ok, Jack, it's clear whose drum you're beating... we all get it. You like the Apple monitor. We all get it... seriously.

The bottom line here is that they're different products at different price ranges with different companies behind them. There won't be a universal winner with the kinds of differences there are here. Firewire isn't important to some people, but obviously is for you. Some people like sleek aluminum design, others don't give a carp. What's important to each person determines the 'winner' for them.

Give me a break. If someone said, "Dell has a great deal on a 2407 LCD," are you going to jump in and say, "<member>, it's clear whose drum you're beating...we all get it. You like the Dell monitor. We all get it.. seriously." Give me a freakin' break. :roll: Apparently, no one can say anything good about an Apple product without getting a moronic response from you.

Your right, the 30" Apple CD and the 3007 are very similar. You really can't go wrong with either of them. So the two main factors that differentiate them is looks and price. People have their own tastes so some may like the Apple, some the Dell. But as it stands right now, Joe Blow will have to pay at least $100 more for the Dell if that's what he likes. It's really not that big of a deal, just stating a fact. If you are considering a 30" LCD, I really don't think $100 is that big of a deal.

 

[xtknight]

If only the Apple had the Faroudja ACC (dynamic contrast adjustment). Dell does, and you can turn it off if you wish (via service menu). Isn't Dell's return policy a lot better too? Maybe not their QA, but at least they have a great return policy. Dell seems to have slightly tighter color tracking also: http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?...1=92&p1=946&ma2=71&mo2=99&p2=1014&ph=6

Not that it's a huge difference, but the black level seems better on the Dell. The good thing about this is the Dell has some price competition, and now they will lower their price.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: xtknight
If only the Apple had the Faroudja ACC (dynamic contrast adjustment). Dell does, and you can turn it off if you wish (via service menu). Isn't Dell's return policy a lot better too? Maybe not their QA, but at least they have a great return policy. Dell seems to have slightly tighter color tracking also: http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?...1=92&p1=946&ma2=71&mo2=99&p2=1014&ph=6

Not that it's a huge difference, but the black level seems better on the Dell. The good thing about this is the Dell has some price competition, and now they will lower their price.

How do I access the service menu?

 

[xtknight]

Well, I was pretty sure the Dell 3007 had ACC. Maybe that's only the 2007FP, 2007WFP, and 2407WFP. All the other Dells allow access to the service menu with this:

Power off.
Hold down "menu" and "+" buttons.
Power on (keep holding "menu +" till power up done).
Wait until the connector info dissapears off screen (dvi connector/Dsub).
Press "-" button.

Do those buttons not exist on the 3007?

The 3007 actually does not have ACC listed in the specs: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topi...3007wfp?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~section=specs

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Well, I was pretty sure the Dell 3007 had ACC. Maybe that's only the 2007FP, 2007WFP, and 2407WFP. All the other Dells allow access to the service menu with this:

Power off.
Hold down "menu" and "+" buttons.
Power on (keep holding "menu +" till power up done).
Wait until the connector info dissapears off screen (dvi connector/Dsub).
Press "-" button.

Do those buttons not exist on the 3007?

The 3007 actually does not have ACC listed in the specs: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topi...3007wfp?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~section=specs

xtknight, ACC looks like it was the cause of the banding issues with the x007 series LCDs (excluding the 3007). The new firmware from Dell turns it off for Desktop mode to resolve the banding issues.

By the way, good LCD comparison. I just wish it was in English.

 

[xtknight]

Yeah, it is still good for improving color vibrancy. I told my friend (a 2407WFP owner) about it and he decided to leave the ACC on.

I wish both LCDs had more features. It seems that a 30" would have more than a 24" but it seems the complete opposite in this case. At least the 30" ones do have a high-quality S-IPS screen (like other 23" and 20.1" models).

 

[Rubycon]

The 3007 has a - + and power button on the front only. Capactive touch switches just like Apple too.

 

[JackBurton]

Hmmm, I just noticed something about the 3007 that might interest me quite a bit. I know the LCD can be adjusted, but it looks like you can adjust the LCD where it drops almost all the way down. Can anyone confirm this? This would be great for me as the 30" Apple may sit too high and only offers a tilt fuction. Since Apple dropped there LCD price, I bet Dell will drop their price pretty soon. And if the Dell can drop all the way down, I'll probably get that one.

 

[Viper GTS]

Anybody can e-mail a sales rep @ wipro & get the Dell for $1550-ish, Dell still has the price advantage.

Viper GTS

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Anybody can e-mail a sales rep @ wipro & get the Dell for $1550-ish, Dell still has the price advantage.

Viper GTS

I thought that was done away with not too long ago. Have you used them recently?