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Anomaly1964

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For direct heatpipe coolers, it is better to apply the thermal paste directly to the heatsink, lined along the heatpipes (to ensure the cracks get filled with thermal paste, and that the heatpipes have a good thermal conduction with the processor). Just make sure you don't cake too much on.

It really depends on what you are doing, and what kind of thermal paste you are using. Pretty much the same as anything, there is no one way that works for everything. AS5 is applied differently than IC-7 for example.

I'll be using what comes with the cooler master...
 

Throckmorton

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You don't have to buy it, but it is really simple chemistry. Fingerprint contains oil, mixing it with the compound within the TIM will reduce the effectiveness of its cooling ability. In fact, any impurity and residues on the surface of the IHS and HS will impact the effectiveness of cooling, and therefore people use alcohol to clean the surface.

If you argue that the fingerprint cause minimal impact, then you may as well argue the need of using alcohol to clean the surface. If those ain't important than you should probably stick with stock paste. Hey, they work and most people uses it without any problems after years of use.

If however the goal is to insure maximum radiativity, every little thing helps. For best radiativity, TIM should be as thin as possible, and a fingerprint of oil is alot when you are mixing it with no more than one water drop worth of TIM. Think about it.

While I use a Zip Loc bag to spread the paste, a fingerprint shouldn't matter. Thermal paste itself is made of ceramic or metal particles suspended in silicone grease.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_grease
 

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One water drop or one grain of rice as some people say is definitely not enough TIM to install a heatsink with. Maybe 2-3x that, sure, but if you are only using a waterdrop's worth of TIM, you aren't using enough. And yeah, a fingerprint will not have any effect on heat transfer. Show me otherwise.
I can't show you, but you can see it for yourself easily. Clean the surface of the IHS and HS, make a stamp with your thumb at the center of the CPU, followed by TIM on top using the simple drop press method. After that, run your PC normally for 2 weeks, remove the heatsink and you will see your fingerprint very clearly on the IHS under the TIM. In fact, depending on what was on your finger at the time of stamp, it may even cause oxidation on both HS and IHS if it is left unchecked long enough, leaving a permanent fingerprint mark on it .
 

Seero

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While I use a Zip Loc bag to spread the paste, a fingerprint shouldn't matter. Thermal paste itself is made of ceramic or metal particles suspended in silicone grease.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_grease
TIM has been in computers for a while, but they are not the same as before. TIM used to have a settling period (around 2 weeks) to start working at peak performance, and users can clearly see the difference before and after this period as it can be 5-10 degree apart. Nowadays TIM works almost instantly, and I have no idea how those chemical reaction to make this possible, but I do know there are reactions.

The question is, what happened during the settling period? Is it chemical reaction? or does TIM actually moves in between heat cycles? Whatever it is, it must be down to atomic level(okay okay, not atomic level, but in a very very small scale), and fingerprint is actually really big within that scale. Fingerprint doesn't dissolves into the TIM, but whether repelling against the TIM, leaving itself imprinted on the surface. That means, the surface with the fingerprint actually don't have TIM on.

Don't get me wrong, the fingerprint doesn't damage the CPU or the HS, but it does effect radiativity. Temperature is not the right unit to reflect its effect as heat will eventually find thermal bridge by itself. Its effect however is visible when the radiativity reaches terminal temp.

If you will use alcohol to clean the surface and believe the residue of the previous thermal paste will have an effect, you may as well not to stamp your CPU with your finger. Don't you agree?
 
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WildW

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I think the better method can depend on the thermal goo being used. Arctic Silver can be very thick and I've seen poor results when I've tried using a small amount and hoping that heatsink pressure will spread it well. Lately I've been using the MX type stuff that spreads more easily and it seems to do better this way.
 

mnewsham

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Well you know me, I'm not shy about asking you guys...

...I'll tell you what it is when it gets here.

You will probably only see a 5c difference depending on the different TIM's you use. if the 5c is worth it then pay for something better. for a lot of people it isn't.
 

sham63

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It seems it would be EASIER it seems if they had like a thermal PATCH that you applied to the processor...(kinda like a band-aid or "quit smoking patch)?

That is what I use, or if it is not there I just use a thermal pad. Stick it on and I am done. I do not overclock so I do not waste my time with thermal paste.
 

AlgaeEater

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Anyone who has a 212+, what did it come with?

Just a generic tube of TIM, gray in color. It's not as sticky or hard as the white paste stuff that I saw included with older heatsinks. It's a little on the watery side now that I think about it compared to the white stuff or pre-applied TIM on stock coolers.

Just for the record I'm a complete n00b when it comes to TIM. I just put a grain and a half size dab right smack center on the CPU, placed the 212+ on top of it and then evenly screwed the thing on. I'm sure I did it in a way that was inefficient and wrong, but it just works.

Clocked at 4.0ghz at 1.19v and my temps never go past 51C. If I used fancier stuff and maybe a better method I'm sure it would be way cooler.

So yeah, even if you botch it up or mutilate your installation like me, I don't think you're hosed unless you're going for the 5.5Ghz Anandtech OC on air record.
 

aigomorla

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I really believe you guys are overthinking this simple act of putting heatsink goo on. Its not rocket science, just common sense. You want the full contact area to have thermal interface material on it to maximize heat transfer, so just make sure that is being done and it will work great. I don't buy it that a fingerprint will raise temps by 5 degrees.

actually thermal interface is worse then metal touching metal.
Its because of how flat the surface is, you want an oil like material to fill in the microgaps so its not metal touching air touching metal.

Anyone who tells u, that you need to cover the entire IHS has no idea what there talking about.

The important area is directly under the die.

So a Rice grain drop will work.

The only time where u need to spread it over the die is like on ATI cards, where they have no IHS, and its the DIE direct.

Or the NF200 controller, another die with no IHS.
 

Anomaly1964

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actually thermal interface is worse then metal touching metal.
Its because of how flat the surface is, you want an oil like material to fill in the microgaps so its not metal touching air touching metal.

Anyone who tells u, that you need to cover the entire IHS has no idea what there talking about.

The important area is directly under the die.

So a Rice grain drop will work.

The only time where u need to spread it over the die is like on ATI cards, where they have no IHS, and its the DIE direct.

Or the NF200 controller, another die with no IHS.


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