Oh we have plenty of data, all and every mantle game already uses a lot of cores to render graphics.
Just have to laugh. Wait for DX12. OK here it is, FX still does extremely poorly.
Oh, wait, I did not mean *that* DX12. I meant the mythical DX12 that will level the playing field.
If one want to say DX12 *may* improve FX relative to intel, but we need more data, I can understand that. But to make such confident statements and then ignore the only data that we have because is does not agree with that theory, well that is a new type of logic to me.
Just have to laugh. Wait for DX12. OK here it is, FX still does extremely poorly.
Oh, wait, I did not mean *that* DX12. I meant the mythical DX12 that will level the playing field.
If one want to say DX12 *may* improve FX relative to intel, but we need more data, I can understand that. But to make such confident statements and then ignore the only data that we have because is does not agree with that theory, well that is a new type of logic to me.
Exactly,you (and a lot of people) are testing CPU performance in games by running a frame rendering scenario, an build in benchmark that only focuses on rendering a predetermined path through an pre determined, pre build model of a level.
That's not what happens when you play a game.
But there I agree, FX will be getting some nice numbers,it does so for years already, just look at all of atenras benchmarks of single threaded games that have very nice FPS in the benchmarks because they only render frames without running the game.
To make it as clear as possible just look at this video, the maximum FPS the benchmark tells me that I would be getting are the minimum FPS that I really get...
Thief - Very high- Bench Vs Real on haswell G1820 celeron and GTX650, CPU load,threads showing
Same goes for the ashes benchmark, just compare the bench to actual gameplay and be prepared to be very very disappointed.
What I mean by how we test CPU is that graphics settings are reduced (in a game or dedicated benchmark) so that the GPU is not the bottleneck
Same goes for the ashes benchmark, just compare the bench to actual gameplay and be prepared to be very very disappointed.
If you want to see DX-12 CPU data today, look for Mantle benchmarks in current games. FX8350 is way better than Core i5 Sandy/Ivy and very close if not better than Core i7 Quad Cores.
It is if it completely skews the results of benchmarking sites,you will find nothing even remotely as complex as the scene rendered in the bench inside the game.Benchmarks often go for the most stressful situation so getting more fps in actual gameplay is not something major.
decades worth of optimism? There was no dx12 or vulkan till last year. Not saying it was designed for the future, the future is heading in a direction where the GPU is going to be more important.
Not decades, just a single decade, and yes. Every year you guys point to something else that's going to be a game changer, benefitting AMD more then it's competition. This rhetoric has been repeated for a decade and it's never come to fruition, not a single time. AMD's native quad core design didn't help them, Windows 7 didn't help, Windows 8 improved schedule didn't do what it was supposed to do, Windows 10 didn't do anything, Mantle was practically still born, next gen consoles didn't give them an edge, HBM, shockingly didn't completely negate all the shortcomings of the GPU itself. And for the last 10 years, we've been waiting for these optimized programs to bring AMD into it's own and well... Apparently doesn't seem like many programs are jumping on this optimization thing.
But I'm sure it'll be different this time... /sarcasm
As a former owner of an Athlon X2, Athlon 64 before than, Athlon before that (Barton, Palomino, thunderbird cores) I held out hope and bought into this nonsense for about a year or two, and then I learned better.
Missed the last part. The brand bias part wasn't aimed at you it was at the topic. I openly advocate for people to use the ignore feature!I've built Intel systems with Nvidia many times, just because I happen to be building AMD systems now does not mean I'll never build another Intel/Nvidia system. Basically all the AMD haters on this forum make me favor AMD more. I don't understand how people can hate a company for making CPU's and graphics cards with so much passion.
I've been coming to AnandTech off and on since the late 90's and cannot remember so much hate in these forums then in the last few years.
I've never felt the need to put anybody on the ignore list on any forum therefore I never thought about looking for one. I find it odd that me looking for a ignore list offended you with so much other "brand bias" hate going on.
Keep up the good work though.
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That's ok for the company,any company gambles each year on what to strive for, some projects succeed other fail.You know how to succeed at anything? Dont be afraid to fail. Try again. Repeat. - Or die trying.
I see nothing wrong with this recipe
Would be interesting to compare. The older Richland architecture is different enough that it change the outcome. Also, unless you're running dual channel DDR3 2400+ memory speeds the extra gpu cores mostly go to waste.
It's downloading to my A10-6700 htpc. Hopefully the 2x2GB (1600 6-8-6) is enough ... otherwise I'll have to see if it's easy to swap ram, got 2x8GB 2400 10-10-12 here also from my 4790K+TiX godbox. I don't normally game on the htpc, older lcd tv / lackluster latency / rubber band sensation.
Aside, I tried Crysis and was surprised that 1366x768 + high + 4xAA was actually quite playable, at least the first bit of the game in the open forest / coastal area. I've never used its integrated graphics before, haha.
Yeah pretty much confirmed new Tomb Raider is DX11 only. If I had to guess, same is going to happen to Hitman since it's Square-Enix at the helm again.
We might have to wait a tad longer for native DX12 games and what benefits APUs can get from it. Considering the Intel thread at DX 12.1 features, perhaps sooner rather than later.
AMD has better graphics than the [redacted] intel iGPU thats.... according to some tech reviewers, not even fit [redacted].
Iris pro is still slightly weaker than the AMD radeon iGPU. The gaming performance tips in favor of intel over amd apu because of stronger core tho. AMD will release new apus paired with zen cores and a new generations of radeon graphics. Zen will close the core performance gap while radeon will utterly leave iris behind in the dust. Intel is still an infant at gpu, they wont be able to best AMD who has been in this market for over 10 years.
AMD has better graphics than the [redacted] intel iGPU thats.... according to some tech reviewers, not even fit [redacted].
Iris pro is still slightly weaker than the AMD radeon iGPU. The gaming performance tips in favor of intel over amd apu because of stronger core tho. AMD will release new apus paired with zen cores and a new generations of radeon graphics. Zen will close the core performance gap while radeon will utterly leave iris behind in the dust. Intel is still an infant at gpu, they wont be able to best AMD who has been in this market for over 10 years.
Lol, so AMD is going to stop sucking at CPUs but Intel will stay behind in GPUs?
With Pascal and Polaris? Seems so.Lol, so AMD is going to stop sucking at CPUs but Intel will stay behind in GPUs?
I think the results will surprise you. Most A8/A10 APU's are perfectly suited for 720P HTPC gaming. Recently I've been playing Rocket League, Fallout 4 and GTAV on my 7850K where it easily maintains a solid framerate. The gaming experience is not quite as good as an Xbox One or PS4 but quite a bit better than the older PS3/Xbox 3.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5775c-i5-5675c-broadwell,4169-6.html
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