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TheELF

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Because price differences don't matter at all.

Seriously, who is that iGP even for?
Don't forget that zen is still about two intel generations away to hitting the market,just look at how much more igpu performance intel has each year.
Zen will have to go pretty big on igpu,which is very possible but it will affect the price or amd's margins.
 

Madpacket

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Are we the only two posters in this thread with actual APUs and the game in question? hehheh. I think the game finished installing overnight, I don't know how much I can poke at it tonight.

I don't even own the game! I just want to keep this thread on topic as the performance to me is an anomaly. I do have a 7870K ITX system where I can toss a 2GB 5870, 750 Ti or Fury X into to see how the game runs but I'll need to buy the game first. I'm not spending $69.99 CAD on on it though, game is worth $30 at most.
 

DrMrLordX

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I have a 7700k but I do not have JC3, and I too do not have the desire to blow cash buying it just to see if I can reproduce the test results.
 

AMDisTheBEST

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AMDisTheBEST

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Don't forget that zen is still about two intel generations away to hitting the market,just look at how much more igpu performance intel has each year.
Zen will have to go pretty big on igpu,which is very possible but it will affect the price or amd's margins.

Next generation video cards evolve just as quickly. a mid range gtx 960 today has better performance than a flagship gtx 680 two years ago i believe. putting that into context, improvements of intel iGPU isnt really that impressive. If intel can show me a chip with the same graphic power as today's consoles... well, then i will be truly impress.
 

2is

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I did mention intel perform faster because their cores are better didnt i? Look at graphic intensive games, amd apus will then begin to pull ahead of intel solution.

AMD is the best for the value. I never say they are the best for gaming performance which uses just 4 cores(50% of amd cpu's raw horsepower) at most.

What "you said" is not relevant. Here we have an intel IGP outperforming AMD's APU. In games, at 1080p no less. Lets see your source to the contrary. Quoting yourself isn't a source. Put up or shut up.
 

xorbe

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Here we have an intel IGP outperforming AMD's APU.

Nope in this particular case, it's the Intel CPU that's faster, for JC3 in the flight scene featured in the article (aside from whether Iris Pro is faster than APU gfx or not).

I just want to keep this thread on topic as the performance to me is an anomaly.

Yeah, the A10-6700 is not a good match for JC3. Even 1280x720 low settings, it's 20-25 fps during the intro flight (and after), but mine doesn't hitch nearly as often as the video shows. Had to use 2x8GB 1833-8-10-10 ram, 4GB wasn't enough.

I popped in a 960, and the fps went up to 30-40 for the opening flight + rocket launcher ... which is still less than Intel+Iris Pro. So, seems CPU limited for the A10-6700 for that particular scene, unless Iris Pro is faster than 1400MHz 960 4GB ...
 
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dogen1

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I did mention intel perform faster because their cores are better didnt i? Look at graphic intensive games, amd apus will then begin to pull ahead of intel solution.

AMD is the best for the value. I never say they are the best for gaming performance which uses just 4 cores(50% of amd cpu's raw horsepower) at most.

Then why are the haswell CPUs less than half as fast as the broadwells?
 

tential

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http://www.dsogaming.com/news/hitmans-engine-already-supports-dx12-features/

hitman engine has dx12 support, whether it will make it to the game is the question. its likely though since the game is episodic. even if first release doesn't support it, later releases get more and more likely to.

So we've basically gone from "Amd will rule all the DX12 titles coming out, buy aMD!" to "Those DX12 titles may be DX12 on XboxOne and DX11 on PC, and may also be sponsored by Nvidia."

Things are looking grim for AMD if they can't a solution for Gameworks.
 

AMDisTheBEST

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What "you said" is not relevant. Here we have an intel IGP outperforming AMD's APU. In games, at 1080p no less. Lets see your source to the contrary. Quoting yourself isn't a source. Put up or shut up.

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a10-7850k-intel-i5-4570r-iris-pro-graphics-showdown/

you just dont seem to comprehend my post do you? amd igpu is still ahead of intel iris pro, although only slightly. Intel is still playing catch up in the igpu department. Only reason some games seem to perform better is due to superior cores. Games that utilize graphics more like battlefield, you can see apu are ahead in fps.
 

Azix

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http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a10-7850k-intel-i5-4570r-iris-pro-graphics-showdown/

you just dont seem to comprehend my post do you? amd igpu is still ahead of intel iris pro, although only slightly. Intel is still playing catch up in the igpu department. Only reason some games seem to perform better is due to superior cores. Games that utilize graphics more like battlefield, you can see apu are ahead in fps.

Actually, I just remembered, just cause devs and Intel worked together. Gdc presentation on dx12.1 in the engine etc.

The site did another test this time with dragons dogma. Less cpu intensive probably

http://gamegpu.ru/videoobzory/dragons-dogma-dark-arisen-video-obzor-apu.html





Still has high usage on cpu tho so not sure
 

AtenRa

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I popped in a 960, and the fps went up to 30-40 for the opening flight + rocket launcher ... which is still less than Intel+Iris Pro. So, seems CPU limited for the A10-6700 for that particular scene, unless Iris Pro is faster than 1400MHz 960 4GB ...

At 720p its CPU limited, but at 1080p its GPU limited. The game is not optimized, other games with same or better Image Quality graphics can run at 1080p on APUs and Iris graphics.
 

2is

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Time for reality test,

Newegg prices as of today

A10-7870K = $140
A10-7850K = $130
A8-7600 = $110
A6-7400K = $68

Core i7 5770C = $372
Core i7 6700K = $414
Core i7 4970K = $340

The reality is you get what you pay for.

Maybe it'll help if you simply compare an A10 to an A6 since that will leave brand preference out of the equation for you. Then you'll understand why people who avoid AMD, avoid AMD.
 

Azix

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The reality is you get what you pay for.

Maybe it'll help if you simply compare an A10 to an A6 since that will leave brand preference out of the equation for you. Then you'll understand why people who avoid AMD, avoid AMD.

i dont get that. the cheaper one is performing better most of the time.
 

2is

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i dont get that. the cheaper one is performing better most of the time.

Depends on which charts you want to look at. I cherry picked my own earlier that shows the opposite. Even with the ADF cherry picked ones, I'll take a 20 fps minimum over a 24 fps minimum in one game to avoid a 2 fps minimum in another. You can make all the excuses you want for the 2fps. Blame drivers, blame the CPU doesn't matter, the end result is 2fps.
 

railven

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So we've basically gone from "Amd will rule all the DX12 titles coming out, buy aMD!" to "Those DX12 titles may be DX12 on XboxOne and DX11 on PC, and may also be sponsored by Nvidia."

Things are looking grim for AMD if they can't a solution for Gameworks.

They have a solution for GameWorks. OpenGPU. We had a thread about it. Remember? AMD is going to crush Nvidia! /s

Polaris has to hit the ball so hard it goes into the atmosphere. Something tells me Pascal is going to be something AMD was not expecting.
 

xorbe

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I could use my 4790K to get an Intel HD (without the Iris Pro) ballpark frame rate. I have to find a screen that has more than just DP though (gsync lcd, eh).
Never mind, they have a 4770K on the chart already.
 
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Madpacket

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Yeah, the A10-6700 is not a good match for JC3. Even 1280x720 low settings, it's 20-25 fps during the intro flight (and after), but mine doesn't hitch nearly as often as the video shows. Had to use 2x8GB 1833-8-10-10 ram, 4GB wasn't enough.

I popped in a 960, and the fps went up to 30-40 for the opening flight + rocket launcher ... which is still less than Intel+Iris Pro. So, seems CPU limited for the A10-6700 for that particular scene, unless Iris Pro is faster than 1400MHz 960 4GB ...

Thanks for testing it out. At least we now know this isn't specific to GCN 1.1.
 

USER8000

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Depends on which charts you want to look at. I cherry picked my own earlier that shows the opposite. Even with the ADF cherry picked ones, I'll take a 20 fps minimum over a 24 fps minimum in one game to avoid a 2 fps minimum in another. You can make all the excuses you want for the 2fps. Blame drivers, blame the CPU doesn't matter, the end result is 2fps.

So basically you are saying that 9.9/10 of all games where the AMD IGP is actually producing better minimums than the Intel IGPs,you would go with the AMD ones?

Or are you saying since there is ONE,maybe,TWO games where the Intel IGP is better you would always buy the Intel chip all the time,even though all the Intel chips tested are £80+ which at that point I would rather have a Core i3 6100 and a GTX950 for £220 rather than game on £200+ Intel Core i7 and its IGP.

Once you get above the A8 7600/A8 7650K or a G4500 I am not sure whether any IGP wins are that useful too!!
 
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