APU results Just Cause 3

[Ferzerp]

Quoting minimums is already really silly anyway. Statistically, a minimum (or maximum frame time) is meaningless as it only gives you information about a single frame. 99th percentile or even 99.99th percentile if you want are much better indicators that wouldn't allow a single aberrant frame to cause such a massive impact.

 

[2is]

Quoting minimums is already really silly anyway. Statistically, a minimum (or maximum frame time) is meaningless as it only gives you information about a single frame. 99th percentile or even 99.99th percentile if you want are much better indicators that wouldn't allow a single aberrant frame to cause such a massive impact.

Well there's also the video to go along with it and it's clear it's not just a single aberrant frame.

 

[xorbe]

I should fire this game up on my 6700 Richland system (after removing the 960) but it's gonna be non-interesting old results ... well, it only has 384 gpu cores, not 512 like the latest.

 

[railven]

Well I just read that new tomb raider also doesn't bring dx12 so going to be interesting what apu results will be like.

 

[Madpacket]

Well I just read that new tomb raider also doesn't bring dx12 so going to be interesting what apu results will be like.

Considering the game basically flopped on the Xbox One it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't spend the extra time porting it to DX12. That being said the original Tomb Raider runs just fine on a 7850K at 720P with medium details.

 

[Madpacket]

This game runs denuvo btw. That possibly contributes to CPU issues.

Denuvo? can you elaborate on this a little?

 

[Madpacket]

I have no information to prove it, but my feeling is that most of those intel IGPs are laptops.

I think this is the case. Many older steam games play just fine on Intel integrated graphics.

 

[Madpacket]

I should fire this game up on my 6700 Richland system (after removing the 960) but it's gonna be non-interesting old results ... well, it only has 384 gpu cores, not 512 like the latest.

Would be interesting to compare. The older Richland architecture is different enough that it change the outcome. Also, unless you're running dual channel DDR3 2400+ memory speeds the extra gpu cores mostly go to waste.

 

[kawi6rr]

That's odd that you asked about the ignore feature, actually got a response about it, that you ACTUALLY wanted and didn't know about, and that was not a "good post". Someone may want to get that fixed as it seems there as a miscommunication. Maybe let Stalhart know that you actually didn't know about the ignore feature and needed that post.

I really don't see what more conversation about this topic will bring though. Or even that many people care. This just seems like a way to push your brand bias.

I've built Intel systems with Nvidia many times, just because I happen to be building AMD systems now does not mean I'll never build another Intel/Nvidia system. Basically all the AMD haters on this forum make me favor AMD more. I don't understand how people can hate a company for making CPU's and graphics cards with so much passion.

I've been coming to AnandTech off and on since the late 90's and cannot remember so much hate in these forums then in the last few years.

I've never felt the need to put anybody on the ignore list on any forum therefore I never thought about looking for one. I find it odd that me looking for a ignore list offended you with so much other "brand bias" hate going on.

Keep up the good work though.

 

[Enigmoid]

Denuvo? can you elaborate on this a little?

Basically active anti-piracy software which uses a lot of CPU and RAM. Increases CPU demands significantly.

 

[Azix]

Denuvo? can you elaborate on this a little?

DRM they claim isn't DRM. adds CPU overhead

 

[Madpacket]

Ahh thanks. Perhaps someone should re-test with a pirated copy ;D Isn't it silly that paying customers suffer the most from DRM?

EDIT:Looks like Denuvo may take some time for the scene to figure out. Interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackStatus/comments/3uzjnd/crack_status_just_cause_3/

EDIT2: This is interesting. Looks like Denuvo is causing real problems for the cracking scene.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/1/9/10741274/just-cause-3-crack-pc-3gm-denuvo

 

[tential]

I've built Intel systems with Nvidia many times, just because I happen to be building AMD systems now does not mean I'll never build another Intel/Nvidia system. Basically all the AMD haters on this forum make me favor AMD more. I don't understand how people can hate a company for making CPU's and graphics cards with so much passion.

I've been coming to AnandTech off and on since the late 90's and cannot remember so much hate in these forums then in the last few years.

I've never felt the need to put anybody on the ignore list on any forum therefore I never thought about looking for one. I find it odd that me looking for a ignore list offended you with so much other "brand bias" hate going on.

Keep up the good work though.

I'm the opposite. I don't get why people defend getting poor performing amd cpus over an i7 which will last you for a long long time. But I'll consider zen of course.

Amd gpus are underrated in my opinion by a lot. Although driver features with triple buffering and adaptive sync desperately need to be added.

 

[Azix]

I'm the opposite. I don't get why people defend getting poor performing amd cpus over an i7 which will last you for a long long time. But I'll consider zen of course.

Amd gpus are underrated in my opinion by a lot. Although driver features with triple buffering and adaptive sync desperately need to be added.

reality is, the i7 is going to have less relative performance in gaming to the old fx processors as time goes. So due to the nature of the new APIs, lasting a long time becomes irrelevant since they both will maintain similar performance in the future.

 

[Madpacket]

reality is, the i7 is going to have less relative performance in gaming to the old fx processors as time goes. So due to the nature of the new APIs, lasting a long time becomes irrelevant since they both will maintain similar performance in the future.

+1

I always see people around here boasting about how long their 2500/2600K's have lasted them and see no reason to upgrade. The same is true for older processors like the FX-8150/8350. It's rare where I see the 8350 being a bottleneck (outside of some MMO's) for gaming.

With the trend towards better multi-threading (thanks mostly to weak Jaguar based consoles) and the advent of DX12 the processor is becoming less of an issue.

 

[Techhog]

Basically active anti-piracy software which uses a lot of CPU and RAM. Increases CPU demands significantly.

I'm hearing mixed reports on if it's actually demanding. Is there any confirmation?

 

[TheELF]

reality is, the i7 is going to have less relative performance in gaming to the old fx processors as time goes. So due to the nature of the new APIs, lasting a long time becomes irrelevant since they both will maintain similar performance in the future.

The APIs only handle graphics and not the game code so what you are talking about will only happen for cores so small they are incapable of running the driver on a single core (like the sub 1,5Ghz jaguar core) ,not even FX cores are that slow...

But even if you believe that they are that slow, APIs still only handle graphics,the game mechanics will not change and will still need a fast core to run fast.

So sure, you will still get to show people in-build GPU benches with AMD cpus getting high numbers but the games themselves will still run slower.

 

[2is]

reality is, the i7 is going to have less relative performance in gaming to the old fx processors as time goes. So due to the nature of the new APIs, lasting a long time becomes irrelevant since they both will maintain similar performance in the future.

This is a theory has been peddled for the last 7-10 years, what makes you think it's true this time? Seriously, ever since AMD fans were waiting for "Barcelona" to retake the performance crown, and didn't, we've been hearing this nonsense being purported as "reality"

The reality is, a decades worth of optimism about how AMD's architecture is designed for the future has not come to fruition. To continue to cling on that supposition a decade later is wishful thinking at best, but it has been a decade so probably closer to naivety.

 

[AtenRa]

Broadwell Core i7 and Skylake Core i7 will be better than FX8350-70 even in DX-12 games.
But, PileDriver will be better than Sandy/Ivy Core i5 and very close to Quad Core Core i7 if not better in DX-12 games.
If we had an Excavator 8-Core L3 SKU today, it would be extremely close if not better than Quad Core SkyLake Core i7 in DX-12 games.

 

[dogen1]

Broadwell Core i7 and Skylake Core i7 will be better than FX8350-70 even in DX-12 games.
But, PileDriver will be better than Sandy/Ivy Core i5 and very close to Quad Core Core i7 if not better in DX-12 games.
If we had an Excavator 8-Core L3 SKU today, it would be extremely close if not better than Quad Core SkyLake Core i7 in DX-12 games.

I guess you could argue that this could change(and it would have to be a very significant change), but that's not nearly what happens in ashes.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ted-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera

 

[AtenRa]

I guess you could argue that this could change(and it would have to be a very significant change), but that's not nearly what happens in ashes.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ted-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera

Dont use Ashes for DX-12 yet, its not even in Beta. Perhaps HITMAN will be DX-12 (release in March 2016) but im not sure it will support DX-12 from day one.

 

[linaaslt]

Sad to see amd doing so bad, but hey, intel might be the feature...

 

[Azix]

This is a theory has been peddled for the last 7-10 years, what makes you think it's true this time? Seriously, ever since AMD fans were waiting for "Barcelona" to retake the performance crown, and didn't, we've been hearing this nonsense being purported as "reality"

The reality is, a decades worth of optimism about how AMD's architecture is designed for the future has not come to fruition. To continue to cling on that supposition a decade later is wishful thinking at best, but it has been a decade so probably closer to naivety.

decades worth of optimism? There was no dx12 or vulkan till last year. Not saying it was designed for the future, the future is heading in a direction where the GPU is going to be more important.

Broadwell Core i7 and Skylake Core i7 will be better than FX8350-70 even in DX-12 games.
But, PileDriver will be better than Sandy/Ivy Core i5 and very close to Quad Core Core i7 if not better in DX-12 games.
If we had an Excavator 8-Core L3 SKU today, it would be extremely close if not better than Quad Core SkyLake Core i7 in DX-12 games.

Performance will be close at least, not justifying double the price.

The APIs only handle graphics and not the game code so what you are talking about will only happen for cores so small they are incapable of running the driver on a single core (like the sub 1,5Ghz jaguar core) ,not even FX cores are that slow...

But even if you believe that they are that slow, APIs still only handle graphics,the game mechanics will not change and will still need a fast core to run fast.

So sure, you will still get to show people in-build GPU benches with AMD cpus getting high numbers but the games themselves will still run slower.

Based on how we test CPU performance in games and the fact that numbers become compressed as graphics settings go up, I would say it is mostly the API. The APIs will shift the bottleneck to the GPU significantly even at lower resolutions.

I guess you could argue that this could change(and it would have to be a very significant change), but that's not nearly what happens in ashes.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ted-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera

We never really got clarification on this. The developer on OCN had said their internal numbers for FX processors were better. But everybody was focused on async

 

[frozentundra123456]

Just have to laugh. Wait for DX12. OK here it is, FX still does extremely poorly.

Oh, wait, I did not mean *that* DX12. I meant the mythical DX12 that will level the playing field.

If one want to say DX12 *may* improve FX relative to intel, but we need more data, I can understand that. But to make such confident statements and then ignore the only data that we have because is does not agree with that theory, well that is a new type of logic to me.

 

[TheELF]

decades worth of optimism? There was no dx12 or vulkan till last year. Not saying it was designed for the future, the future is heading in a direction where the GPU is going to be more important.

Well there was this crazy notion when the FX series came out that future games would use more cores,now that they where available,and thus intel was doomed because amd would totally obliterate them in all those many games that would come out all multithreaded and stuff that would not even be able to run on anything less then 4 cores...

Then it was windows's fault for having a crappy scheduler so as soon as win 8(or was it 7? ) would come out then, finally all would bask in the glory that is multithreading.

Then it was consoles and their 8 amd cores,surely that was the last missing piece to bring forth the dominance of the moar coarz and finally obliterate intel in performance.

Well now it's dx12's turn...

Based on how we test CPU performance in games

Exactly,you (and a lot of people) are testing CPU performance in games by running a frame rendering scenario, an build in benchmark that only focuses on rendering a predetermined path through an pre determined, pre build model of a level.
That's not what happens when you play a game.

But there I agree, FX will be getting some nice numbers,it does so for years already, just look at all of atenras benchmarks of single threaded games that have very nice FPS in the benchmarks because they only render frames without running the game.

To make it as clear as possible just look at this video, the maximum FPS the benchmark tells me that I would be getting are the minimum FPS that I really get...
Thief - Very high- Bench Vs Real on haswell G1820 celeron and GTX650, CPU load,threads showing


Same goes for the ashes benchmark, just compare the bench to actual gameplay and be prepared to be very very disappointed.