Arco pissed me off!

gluck

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Its raining cats and dogs out here in LA. Was heading to work with an empty tank and pull up to this arco. Try fill up the tank full but winds and rains don't let me and I just get gas for $10. Take out my receipt and err I am charged a 35 cents as transaction fee. Does Arco always do that ? Recently I have been going to arco for gas but they always have printer error and the receipt never comes out. This is the first time I ever noticed the receipt.

Now where do you guys go to fill gas ? Arco/Shell/Chevron ?
Does it even make any difference ? Doesn't every gas company have to follow certain standards ? If all of them meet the norms, why is the price different for every gas station ?
 

Mr N8

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I've never had a transaction fee. I usually go to BP/Amoco or Citgo.
 

Ryan

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I bet people in LA don't know how to handle rain - kind of like Floridians and snow. That said, I go to Chevron and use my Chevron card to pay for gas.
 

neovan

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arco has a fee if you pay by debit/credit.
i usually get my gas from shell
vpower!!!
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: neovan
arco has a fee if you pay by debit/credit.
i usually get my gas from shell
vpower!!!


Oh dear God help us all.
 

brian_riendeau

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Mobil gas for me. In my area Mobil gas stations always have newer pumps compared to other stations.

The manufacturer of the gas is not as important as getting brand name gas. When you go to a Mobil/BP/whatever, you are getting gas they blend themselves. When you go to Tex's Gas-Up, you are getting whatever crappy gas they could find for the lowest price possible. In some cases, this gas can be of poor quality.

With 91/93 octane (or higher) gas, the difference between brands can become more apparect because those gasses will usually have some extra additive like engine detergents.
 

gluck

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Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
Mobil gas for me. In my area Mobil gas stations always have newer pumps compared to other stations.

The manufacturer of the gas is not as important as getting brand name gas. When you go to a Mobil/BP/whatever, you are getting gas they blend themselves. When you go to Tex's Gas-Up, you are getting whatever crappy gas they could find for the lowest price possible. In some cases, this gas can be of poor quality.

With 91/93 octane (or higher) gas, the difference between brands can become more apparect because those gasses will usually have some extra additive like engine detergents.

So you mean to say that if I get 87 octane gas from say Arco/BP or chevron or mobile all of them will have different qualities ? I thought all gases with same octane rating have to be the same.
 

brian_riendeau

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Yes you are actually more likely to get "bad" gas from no name gas stations. They typically put in a bid for X gallons of Y octane gas and see who bites. Doesn't really matter where the gas comes from, as long as their get the right rated octane at the cheapest possible price.

Having said, gas is regulated in that all gasses of a certain octane should run the same, however there can be small variances from blend to blend...
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
Mobil gas for me. In my area Mobil gas stations always have newer pumps compared to other stations.

The manufacturer of the gas is not as important as getting brand name gas. When you go to a Mobil/BP/whatever, you are getting gas they blend themselves. When you go to Tex's Gas-Up, you are getting whatever crappy gas they could find for the lowest price possible. In some cases, this gas can be of poor quality.

With 91/93 octane (or higher) gas, the difference between brands can become more apparect because those gasses will usually have some extra additive like engine detergents.
You're educated on the issue... sorta.

Gasoline quality is highly regulated. When was the last time you heard of an indepdenant refinery? The gas used at Tex's Gas-n-Go is the same gas used at some other name brand station. I do believe Oregon was one of the last states to adopt fuel quality rules(and random checks). You really shouldn't be finding poor quality fuel nowdays, unless you go to a truely shady station.

All gasoline contains detergents and various other additives designed to keep your engine running well.
Originally posted by: gluck
Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
Mobil gas for me. In my area Mobil gas stations always have newer pumps compared to other stations.

The manufacturer of the gas is not as important as getting brand name gas. When you go to a Mobil/BP/whatever, you are getting gas they blend themselves. When you go to Tex's Gas-Up, you are getting whatever crappy gas they could find for the lowest price possible. In some cases, this gas can be of poor quality.

With 91/93 octane (or higher) gas, the difference between brands can become more apparect because those gasses will usually have some extra additive like engine detergents.

So you mean to say that if I get 87 octane gas from say Arco/BP or chevron or mobile all of them will have different qualities ? I thought all gases with same octane rating have to be the same.
Oh yes, most certainly. The only thing that's the same, really, is the octane rating.

It's much the same as engine oil, although not as extreme since gasoline is so highly regulated. The constant is the oil's weight(or in the case of gasoline, the octane number). Just about everything else changes from manufacturer to manufacturer. Obviously, the chemical composition is different to obtain the different octane number. Different manufacturers also use different formulations of different fuel additives, like detergents.

So, it is true that technically there should be fuels that are better than others, just like there are oils that are better than others. You really shouldn't be able to tell the difference, though. 95%(or more..) of the time, it's placebo when you get "crappy" gas.

I bet if you had someone else fill the car at 3 different stations.. you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: neovan
arco has a fee if you pay by debit/credit.
i usually get my gas from shell
vpower!!!

I stopped using shell when they ruined not only my gas tank, but my mom's and my dad's this summer by not refining their gas well enough....

I will never return to another shell station again, ever.
 

MattCo

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: neovan
arco has a fee if you pay by debit/credit.
i usually get my gas from shell
vpower!!!

I stopped using shell when they ruined not only my gas tank, but my mom's and my dad's this summer by not refining their gas well enough....

I will never return to another shell station again, ever.

Wow, that sucks. Do you have any links that show proof of that happening? You would think if that was the case they would be class actioned into fixing alot of cars.

-MC
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: MattCo
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: neovan
arco has a fee if you pay by debit/credit.
i usually get my gas from shell
vpower!!!

I stopped using shell when they ruined not only my gas tank, but my mom's and my dad's this summer by not refining their gas well enough....

I will never return to another shell station again, ever.

Wow, that sucks. Do you have any links that show proof of that happening? You would think if that was the case they would be class actioned into fixing alot of cars.

-MC
I remember....

Let me see if I can dig up a link..

Something about high sulphur content ruining fuel gauge sending units..

Edit:

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