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jzodda

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I read the instructions about using the stuff and one thing confused me. What is a "Quality degeaser" and where do I buy it??? I know the other stuff is rubbing alcohol, and I went out and got some lint-free cloth. I realize that I wasnt following the procedures to the letter and that is why I was getting higher temp, but was too lazy to comply. But now I have a 2nd wind and want to follow the instructions to the letter.
 

ogn

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jzodda,

I am interested in your results...please post when you have an update. I'm going to give it one more try on a different KT7 I have. I won't break the thermal probe this time. I hope it doesn't heat up my new 1.1Ghz Athlon.
 

jzodda

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Ok I will do that


I am at 24C right now with Peltier at full load and the compound that came with my Alpha HS. Think its called...AOS or something??

I will need to find out what a "quality Degreaser" is before I proceed. That is the step I left out
 

Mikewarrior2

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Rubbing alcohol will remove the old grease pretty well... if you want a genuine degreaser, you can probably find it at the AutoZone or another auto parts store.


Mike
 

quadcells

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Just to add to this mess, I have a PIII700 o/c to 933MHz using Alpha dual 60mm fans and copper inlay. Temp with the grease that came w/the alpha was 38c to 46c depending on the load. I then tried the Artic Silver and now my temps are 34c to 40c, not bad
 

jzodda

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Ok did it all, cleaned very thoroughly this time and also out a thicker layer on. I also made sure the heatsink did not move as much (Easy to do anyway as Swiftech HS uses screws as opposed to clips)


Well my temp on full load was 24C, now its 22.5 to 23C. So not bad at all.

Joe
 

ogn

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Thanks for the feedback jzodda. What degreaser did you use and what are you system specs? Just for reference.
 

jzodda

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I didnt wind up using any degreaser. I just cleaned extra hard with rubbing alcohol and lint free cloth.

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ogn

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jzodda,

You're doing better than I am on that one. I can't seem to get my 700 past 980 stable. But I'm just using an Alpha. One concern I have about the CUSL2 is it's inability to give accurate temperature readings. Mine fluctuates quite a bit so I don't really rely on it for cpu temperature. That's why I didn't test the AS on that system.

Well my newer 1.1Ghz Athlon came in and it's buzzing quite nicely now. It's temp is actually about the same under load as the Duron at 950. Weird. I'm using AS and I scrubbed the hell out of it with rubbing alcohol before I applied the AS, very thing layer too so it doesn't get everywhere if I wanted to remove it.

Athlon 1.1Ghz
32 idle
45 full load

I probably keep the AS since returns are always a pain. I'm still a little skeptical about it's results but I'll be a follower and spread this stuff where ever I can.
 

jzodda

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The Beta 05 bios that I use correctly reports temp now in the bios. Not in windows though with asus probe. Asus probe had me at 268C last I checked!
 

ingenue007

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ok i got my arctic silver and finally applied it after being away for 2 days.

i couldn't find any rubbing alcohol so i just used a kleenex to get rid of the old gunk (will do again with alcohol once i find some)

i've noticed a 5 degree drop (45 to 40C) with MBM. i think the temp is a little lower than 40 C b/c rt after i reboot, my BIOS shows a lower temp.
 

Mikewarrior2

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Tonyou, seeing that in your picture that you don't even have artic silver makes your "review" very suspect.



Mike
 

tonyou

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Mikewarrior2, I explained in that thread I did not purchase the Artic Silver myself, but rather a friend had spare me a small sample of it for me to test. I never posted any "reviews" because my results contradicted everyone elses, which make me suspect that I did something wrong also.

For all of you that insist Artic Silver is better, I believe you wholeheartedly. But have you consider that maybe it's possible the performance of these thermal grease are equalized when enough pressure is applied between the heatsink and the CPU? One thing that made Artic Silver stand out was the fact that it was the easiest to apply and spread evenly.

The funny thing is I still can't explain why the Radio Shack stuff I had performed just slightly better than the rest....

Tony
 

Tigris

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the grease at 3dfxcool.com is claimed to work just as well as Arctic silver. try it out, its pretty phat. I use it on all my stuff.
 

Mikewarrior2

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MPu3.7 is very good stuff, but I put it on a friends be6-II/PEP66 a few weeks ago. He got a 4C drop going from MPU3.7 to Artic Silver. His CPU is a 600E @ 800.


Mike
 

Midnight Rambler

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NAPA parts stores carry a degreaser product called KleensEZ (sp?). Its mainly used to prep auto bodies just before painting. Works great as a tar remover on cars too.
 

CraigRT

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I ordered in a tube a little while ago, along with a Golden Orb
I never tried it the G'Orb without the silver, but it cools much better than stock Intel on my 700E.

however..
We applied a bit to each of my friends Celerons (Abit BP6) and we noticed a definite difference of a few degrees! it even allowed us to overclock more with the stock Intel HSF's!
we went from 560 MHz lapped 466's to 582 just from the Arctic Silver... I dunno seems like good stuff to me, only problem is the tube is like the size of a AA battery and it's kindof a rip off.
 

Link

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What about the thermal grease from the Alpha? Is it any good?
What is it made of?
 

johncar

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Here's a very logical and proven explanation why you may not show a
lower temp with better/silver greases.

First of all, nothing changes the heat flow/power dissipation of the cpu except the cpu itself and app/s running...And all heat generated is removed, but higher thermal resistance cooling systems force temp in cpu to rise in order to force the heat out, as "Temp drop" is the motive force in heat transfer. Cpu temp rises until heat out equals heat generated...that's the physics.

But the cpu/hs heat transfer path has several components with their individual thermal resistances, and yes, the silver grease lowers the
"overall" resistance, and it therefore lowers the cpu internal temp and the cpu case top temp on the cpu side of the lower resistance silver grease interface.

But it "does not" lower the hs resistance. So for the same heat transfer, any sensor measuring hs surface or related temp will "not be lower". In fact, it will be slightly WARMER, because the lower resistance of the hs interface causes a bit more heat to flow thru the hs rather than thru the constant resistance path of the pins...a minor "secondary/negative feedback effect".

Hope it's clear now that you can't measure the effectiveness of an interface material UNLESS you can measure the temp on the cpu side of the interface...which is a practical impossibility for most cases.
Like real estate..."location" is everything.

You could try eading internal thermal diodes on Intel chips, as they are on the cpu side of interface. Diodes are not "accurate", but they are "repeatable"...ie, tell same lies every day.
John C.
 

ogn

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It makes sense that the heatsink would be warmer, but I'm measuring the backside of the CPU which should be cooler. My system is running fine now. Could it be cooler? Maybe. For me, I'm just go to leave it alone for now. At lease until a DDR board comes out.

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