Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[dave_the_nerd]

Has anybody found any aftermarket coolers for these? I have (I think) the same Foxconn board as the other guy I'm this thread, but my idle temps are around 80C.

I'll be reseating my HSF tonight, but if that doesn't help, I could probably use options.

 

[86waterpumper]

wow something is def. up there. Maybe the thermal paste application was really screwy in the factory or something? My foxconn always stays pretty much between 35-40 idling, and around mid 60s loaded. It seems alot of the aftermarket north bridge coolers fit these? I would want to measure the mounting pin distance though and ensure with whoever I was buying the northbridge cooler from that it matched, then you would be sure it would work

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I stripped off the spacer (HSF wasn't making contact with the CPU die) and applied new thermal compound, dropped ~10C, now idling around 70, +/- a degree or two.

Still high, clearly.

Wat do... wat do... it works, otherwise.

 

[Zap]

What RPM is the tiny CPU fan spinning at? What enclosure is it in?

 

[dave_the_nerd]

What RPM is the tiny CPU fan spinning at? What enclosure is it in?

6000 rpm, so sayeth the BIOS - although I read somewhere that's a default setting and I can change it. It's whiny.

At the moment, it's just sitting on my workbench. I have a couple fans circulating air around the room. If I point one of them at the motherboard, I get a couple degrees.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

If the CPU was running at 100C for a sustained period, the heat sink would be hot, right? As in "third degree burns" hot, and not "slightly warmer than a cat" hot?

Because it's the second one.

I assembled it into a case, thinking maybe the "proper" airflow would help. Nope. Any kind of load had it bounding off of the 105C limit. Didn't shut off though. (Even though it's supposed to...?)

 

[nForce2]

That's crazy hot!

If changing the thermal paste didn't do it, I would try looking for a mechanical defect - any surface irregularity that might hold the heatsink off of the CPU, or a mounting issue that puts uneven pressure or hangs up in some way that it prevents the heatsink from sitting flat. A contaminant (a speck of sand, etc) in the thermal paste could do it too.

Beyond that, I almost wonder if you might have a defective temperature sensor? Your account of the heatsink temperture by feel seems to match what I think I remember 86waterpumper saying...

 

[86waterpumper]

When I stopped the fan turning on mine...just to see how fast the temps would come up, I got mine up in the 80's, and it was still just warm to the touch certainly not hot so I don't think you can go on that. At 6k rpm that thing should be staying plenty cool. I guess it is possible the sensor could be defective but I would be pretty nervous about it.

You can always just rma it if you can't figure it out? I think the more possible explanation is that you got a warped heatsink or something? That sucker only has two diagonal mounting pins...about the only thing you can try at this point is a aftermarket heatsink or to return it I think.

BTW, mine came set to NOT shut off the computer at any certain temp by default. I immediately set it to shut down myself, but it did not come this way from the factory...

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I'm... just going to replace the HSF with a "gaming" northbridge unit. The warped idea seems most likely - looking at the HSF, it's clearly not machined to very tight tolerances - I have woodworking files that are smoother than the bottom of this thing. (hyperbole.)

I'll have to figure out a mounting solution - thermal epoxy is my worst-case scenario. But at that point, an RMA is unlikely anyway. I checked the system logs, and it was showing temp warnings - I guess the auto-shutdown was also disabled for me.

 

[nForce2]

BTW, mine came set to NOT shut off the computer at any certain temp by default. I immediately set it to shut down myself, but it did not come this way from the factory...

I checked the system logs, and it was showing temp warnings - I guess the auto-shutdown was also disabled for me.

Even so, wouldn't the CPU itself automatically throttle itself, and shut down if it had to?

 

[nForce2]

Ah! If it's the RS232 that does it for you, how about the LR-C1037TN, with SIX serial ports? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17210004052

The bar has been raised.

I can't find a model name/number, but here's a 1037U motherboard made by GongChang with 10 (yes, TEN) RS-232 serial ports! :biggrin:

It's also a triple-display board, with HDMI and 2xVGA, and has 12VDC power and 2x Gigabit Ethernet.


http://wtmcg.cn.gongchang.com/product/d33225587.html

 

[nForce2]

Another by GongChang. I can't find a model name/number for this one either.

http://wtmcg.cn.gongchang.com/product/d34297981.html

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Even so, wouldn't the CPU itself automatically throttle itself, and shut down if it had to?

Yes, it would. But Ivy Bridge has a TJmax of 105C. Although I'd be a little hesitant to run one at anything over 70C. But that's just playing it safe for long term usage. I have seen plenty of laptops that routinely break 70C.

 

[nForce2]

I'm... just going to replace the HSF with a "gaming" northbridge unit. The warped idea seems most likely - looking at the HSF, it's clearly not machined to very tight tolerances - I have woodworking files that are smoother than the bottom of this thing. (hyperbole.)

That sounds pretty bad. :\

Is the machining of the heatsink surface rough enough that you could capture it in a photo?

 

[dave_the_nerd]

That sounds pretty bad. :\

Is the machining of the heatsink surface rough enough that you could capture it in a photo?

Hyperbole. It's about like an unfinished woodgrain. I've seen worse, but it's definitely low-bidder. (And a long shot from the mirror-finish copper bottomed third-party HSFs I'm used to... *snobby*.)

I got back from vacation and took it off today. There was almost no thermal paste stuck to the underside, so it was probably the mounting hardware at fault (not pulling it down enough.) If I'd slathered more on there, I might have gotten it to work, but... that's sloppy. I dislike sloppy.

The replacement went on easily (with its own mounting hardware, not FoxConn's) and is idling in the low 40s, in the BIOS with temp control enabled and the fan at 3k rpm ("silent" mode.) I'll load-test it later but I think this is the real deal.

Thanks for the advice, folks.

All hail NAS!

 

[nForce2]

The replacement went on easily (with its own mounting hardware, not FoxConn's) and is idling in the low 40s, in the BIOS with temp control enabled and the fan at 3k rpm ("silent" mode.) I'll load-test it later but I think this is the real deal.

That's great news! Which heatsink did you use as a replacement?

 

[dave_the_nerd]

That's great news! Which heatsink did you use as a replacement?

A logisys one. I picked it up at Microcenter for $9.

I guess it's this unit (same P/N), although the packaging looked different and the fan blades weren't blue:

http://www.logisyscomputer.com/viewsku.asp?SKUID=CC2

 

[86waterpumper]

dang that looks like a tall sink HAHA anyway glad you got the issue figured out. These chips can run pretty hot...my laptop at work with a i7 stays in the 80's range most of the time, even with light loads it doesn't seem to mind at all...

 

[nForce2]

So I've been looking more seriously at the GIGABYTE BRIX GB-XM14-1037, not as my HTPC replacement, but as a small VESA mount machine to replace one of our other full-size desktops.

The price ($170) is pretty good for what you get, especially given the size and USA availability. But reading reviews of the other BRIX models, they universally get complaints for only having two USB ports. So if you plug in a keyboard and mouse, that's it - you're done! If you need a printer, an optical drive, a USB stick, an IR receiver, a portable hard drive, a SD-card reader, or anything else... you're pretty much guaranteed to need a USB hub. :\

One solution to this would be to use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse... but that still takes a USB port for the bluetooth adapter, leaving only one free. GIGABYTE must have recognized this problem, as the newer BRIX models have four USB ports as well as a 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi / Bluetooth 4.0/3.0 Combo Mini PCIe card... but the first-gen BRIX only have a 802.11n Wi-Fi card.

So I would pretty much have to budget another $30-35 to replace the Wi-Fi card with a combo card, and might still need a USB hub after that too. Bummer.



BRIX GB-XM14-1037:

BRIX GB-BXCE-2955 (Celeron 2955U, not yet available):

 

[nForce2]

Here's a blog where someone assembles a system around an Intec IPXCR-VN1 1037U motherboard and a Bravo V2 case:

http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=computerblog&logNo=150177502867

I'm not quite sure what to think about this one... it looks neat on the outside, but it's sort of strange when you look at the big picture. :hmm:

The power supply (450W) is almost 10x the size you would need, and the power supply orientation doesn't seem like it would let it pull air out of the case, so you would almost need a case fan to keep it cool. It's also plenty big enough for an optical drive, but doesn't have one, and it has a big empty space where you SHOULD have been able to put a PCI-Express graphics card, but the case doesn't have the cutout for it??

For what you're building here, I would have thought that you should have had either a lot more for the size (room for more drives and/or 3.5" drives for a NAS-type build), or you could have built an equivalent system in a case half the size.

 

[SinceCCF]

newegg has jetway 1037u board in stock now, $149.99, pretty steep price though that's always true with jetway boards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153260

 

[nForce2]

//edit: SinceCCF beat me to it.


The Jetway JNC9R-1037 is an interesting motherboard for sure. Triple-display with HDMI, DVI, and VGA, full-size PCI-Express slot, dual RAM slots, and by far the biggest factory heatsinks of any of these motherboards.

 

[Lonyo]

Does anyone know if these are available at retail stores/etc in Hong Kong?

Going there in a few weeks and might manage to be able to actually find a nice one to pick up, since there's zero availability where I am and Chinese ebay sellers don't seem to want to ship.

 

[SinceCCF]

I think you should be able to find one easily at hk store, a few pages back there's a link to hkepc forum, which the op bought from retal store a biostar 1037u board, he said he was walking around in retail stores and found the board, so I thought it's gonna be not hard to score one there.

 

[nForce2]

P.S. I put in a pricing request to "Sally" (Moding Xu at Qotom) a few days ago to see how much the options are . In her first email to me she said the msata brand was Qotom and the memory is OEM from Taiwan. She said I could upgrade to V-color brand RAM for $6.00 more. I am still waiting to find out some more information including:

1. The type of controller used in the Qotom house brand mSATA SSD
2. How much it would cost to upgrade mSATA to 16GB, 32GB, 64GB?
3. Price of optional 150 Mbps Wifi card.
4. Does my location of California qualify for a shipping cost reduction.

Just curious, did you ever hear back on any of these questions? Also, did Sally have any indication as to how long it would take to ship one of these (the Qotom T30) to the USA?