Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[AkumaX]

i'm just genuinely happy that there is a lot of enthusiasm about acquiring a small barebones itx-type DIY pc with a decent CPU

 

[cbn]

Just curious, did you ever hear back on any of these questions? Also, did Sally have any indication as to how long it would take to ship one of these (the Qotom T30) to the USA?

1. I never heard anything back from them (Maybe the question about the controller in the Qotom SSD was a little too detailed?)

2. According to the new listing here:

Delivery: 5-15 days (ships out within 3 days), Seller Guarantees: On-time Delivery 27 days

 

[cbn]

Another option, under a different seller, for the computer I listed above:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini...chassis-motherboard-dual-core/1312219331.html

Price is $146.84 shipped for the barebones. (with 2GB RAM $7 extra, 8GB SSD $11, 16 GB SSD $18, 32GB SSD $24)

Major difference under "seller guarantees" is 15 days longer protection and "faultless goods" (items can be returned even if they are in perfect condition, but buyer pays shipping)

 

[nForce2]

One more to keep an eye on: the Quanmax QDSP-1000 and QDSP-1001

http://www.quanmax.com/en/products-detail.php?num=125
http://www.quanmax.com/~quanmax/cmsAdmin/uploads/qdsp-1000_20130802.pdf

Note that it has three digital display outputs- two DisplayPort, and one HDMI! It also has dual gigabit ethernet.

The dimensions are 130mm x 111mm x 35mm, so it is quite a bit smaller than the T30 (205mm x 140mm x 40mm)... and even just a bit smaller than the Qotom-Q100 (138mm x 124mm x 34mm). It's larger than the BRIX (114.6mm 107.9mm x 29.9mm), but this Quanmax has space for a 2.5" drive inside the case. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The Quanmax QutePC-4001 looks to be the exact same machine, but in a more rounded plastic case instead of the squared off aluminum case.
Dimensions are: 130mm x 116mm x 39mm

http://www.quanmax.com.cn/~quanmax/en/products-detail.php?num=124
http://www.quanmax.com.cn/~quanmax/cmsAdmin/uploads/qutepc-4000_20130702.pdf

For what it's worth, I sent an inquiry to the sales department of Quanmax, requesting availability/pricing information as well as photos with the case cover removed if possible, for all three of the models I listed above. I'll let you know what they say. :thumbsup:

I finally heard back on this one...

We don’t sell product to non-company account. All our PC are for the enterprise application.

Sorry about it.

 

[nForce2]

2. According to the new listing here:

Another option, under a different seller, for the computer I listed above:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini...chassis-motherboard-dual-core/1312219331.html

Price is $146.84 shipped for the barebones. (with 2GB RAM $7 extra, 8GB SSD $11, 16 GB SSD $18, 32GB SSD $24)

Major difference under "seller guarantees" is 15 days longer protection and "faultless goods" (items can be returned even if they are in perfect condition, but buyer pays shipping)

Hopefully you wouldn't need to... I bet that return shipping would cost a fortune. :\

So I looked at these two again, and there is a HUGE difference in the shipping prices if you want an expedited delivery. UPS (3-7 day) on the first is $47.89, and on the second the same shipping option is $95.79!!

The second seller also has only been on AliExpress since August of this year (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/feedback-score/633134.html), where Qotom has been selling there since 2011. (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/feedback-score/108231.html)

So I would probably lean toward the first (Qotom).

 

[nForce2]

Qotom has updated a few of their listings, and now shows a side-by-side comparison of the Q100 and the Mac Mini:

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...dr3-ram-16gb-ssd-1080P/108231_1423774844.html

 

[nForce2]

A new review of the Biostar NM70I-1037U.

There's a lot of gaming, video, and other benchmarks in this review - It sounds like it did pretty well.

http://vozforums.com/showthread.php?p=63336382

Translated:
http://translate.google.com/transla...zforums.com/showthread.php?p=63336382&act=url

It looks like the Biostar has a LOT of power options in the BIOS:

 

[nForce2]

Just a heads-up: There are now *TWO* versions of the Qotom i37.


This is the Qotom-i37:

http://qotom.en.alibaba.com/product...HD_1080P_Video_Blue_Ray_wireless_wifi_pc.html

And this is the Qotom-I37. Note the capital "I".

http://qotom.en.alibaba.com/product...er_smart_QOTOM_I37_Win_Xp_7_8_Supported_.html

The motherboards are different, but I haven't compared the specs too closely. The major visible difference is the dimensions:
i37: 198*198*44mm
I37: 215*195*65mm

There's a LOT of empty space in the I37... (It's over 50% larger by volume).

 

[cbn]

You mean like a Silverstone PT14 (NUC enclosure)?:

Its finally being sold:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9VRQDY/...xtension-kb-20

$40 shipped.

Now are there any 1037U NUC compatible motherboards for this case?

 

[nForce2]

Its finally being sold:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9VRQDY/...xtension-kb-20

$40 shipped.

Now are there any 1037U NUC compatible motherboards for this case?

I don't think Intel has a 1037U NUC... I think the 847 NUC is the closest you can get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856102004

At $165 for the 847 NUC, you might as well spend the extra $5 for the significantly more powerful 1037U BRIX.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164005



Also, did you see the thermal review of the Silverstone PT14 that came up recently?
Fanlesstech said:"Results for SilverStone PT14 are nothing short of disastrous."

The really crazy part is that the PT14 has a fan... Aside from the Intel, the other cases it was compared against are fanless!


http://www.fanlesstech.com/2013/10/nuc-chassis-comparison-test.html
... which is a summary of:
http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/recen...k-intelu-nuc-bozske-ticho-vas-pohlti-nepusti/

 

[cbn]

I don't think Intel has a 1037U NUC... I think the 847 NUC is the closest you can get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856102004

At $165 for the 847 NUC, you might as well spend the extra $5 for the significantly more powerful 1037U BRIX.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164005



Also, did you see the thermal review of the Silverstone PT14 that came up recently?
Fanlesstech said:"Results for SilverStone PT14 are nothing short of disastrous."

The really crazy part is that the PT14 has a fan... Aside from the Intel, the other cases it was compared against are fanless!


http://www.fanlesstech.com/2013/10/nuc-chassis-comparison-test.html
... which is a summary of:
http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/recen...k-intelu-nuc-bozske-ticho-vas-pohlti-nepusti/

Cheap, thermal efficiency, Low noise level......Pick any 2 of the 3?

P.S. I think it is important to point out during the H.264 tests the Silverstone PT14's 60mm fan was only going 225 rpm. So at least we know those temps aren't with the fan going close to full tilt....but it makes me wonder what would have happened if the PT14 were set-up with the fanless option--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMRiIHgPPXQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=59

 

[cbn]

Looking at the OCCT test with the PT14 fan going 2400 rpm, the silverstone actually cools better on the RAM and SSD side of the NUC motherboard compared to the completely passive AKASA Newton and Impact D1NU (but not D1NU-EX) while being quieter than Intel.

http://translate.google.com/transla...e-ticho-vas-pohlti-nepusti/strana/0/5&act=url

But soon it correctly guessed that PT14 will be significantly quieter. While max. 2400 rev. / Min vetráčiku small SST can be classified as a more acceptable noise level, 6000 rpm Intel is already really extreme.

With that pointed out, the louder stock Intel NUC chassis cools the RAM and SSD side of the motherboard better than the Silverstone PT14.

 

[SinceCCF]

a website in uk posted a new review on the biostar 1037u board.

http://www.overclockerstech.com/biostar-mini-itx-motherboard-review/

from the benchmark results, it seems like 1037u is less powerful than the kabini a6-5200 board from ECS, which is price at $139.99.

 

[cbn]

That Czech NUC review in post #260 got me wondering about fanless cooling efficiency on NUC vs. EPIC with respect to SSD temps:

Based on what I read in the Czech review, it appears CPU temps aren't really the issue with PT14 and NUC (Re: CPUs can tolerate a Tjunction of 105C), but rather SSD temps we should be more concerned about. More on this here--> http://translate.google.com/transla...e-ticho-vas-pohlti-nepusti/strana/0/6&act=url

The head of the cabinet Impactics holding the temperature within acceptable limits, and for all components. Akasa have the upper hand over mainly because it keeps the bowels less heat, which is starting to be the case for Newton cabinets critical for SSD, it has just over 70 ° C.

Major problems but it has Petit PT14. While CPU temperatures are fine, but they are just the result that the fan does not need to be rotated more than 225 rev. / Min, and as a result suffer from memory and SSD MOSFETs. In an alarming 82 degrees on the disc will probably be better at the expense of higher noise spur fan of the BIOS. The fan in the box Intel default profile is now better understood, although in addition to 3640 rev. / Min for higher price levels and 75 ° C is also on the SSD too.

Looking at the following Inctel motherboard--> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/fanl...reme-ultra-thin-chassis-Intel/1350425798.html (which I believe to be EPIC form factor)

The mSATA SSD appears to be a much greater distance from the CPU (compared to NUC's CPU to mSATA SSD distance).

All things being equal, Wouldn't this be better for cooler SSD temps?

Of course, I do I realize the quality of the fanless NUC enclsoure matters (eg, D1NU-EX does extremely well in the Czech review).

But what about cheap to manufacture fanless cases and SSD temps? Does an EPIC board (with enough distance between CPU and mSATA) offer an advantage over NUC in that particular area?

P.S. Looking at the fanless NUC cases in the Czech review all but the Silverstone PT14 are quite a bit larger than the actual NUC motherboard. The extreme example, of course, is D1NU-EX:

After that it was a tossup between the AKASA Newton (shown next to stock NUC):

and D1NU (shown next to stock NUC) :

In contrast, here is the Silverstone PT14 next to the stock NUC:

So while an EPIC board is larger and would obviously require more metal for the enclosure, Is this really a bad thing when NUC appears to require more metal in the case for best possible cooling anyway?

 

[cbn]

I noticed there is also an update article (which adds Streacom NC1 to the mix of NUC enclosures) ----> http://translate.google.com/transla...-kontroverzna-streacom-nc1/strana/0/2&act=url

In this review, Streacom NC1 (which is actually larger than Silverstone PT14, but smaller than AKASA Newton and Impactics D1NU and D1NU-EX) records 72C for SSD temp during 40Mbps H.264 @ CPU. As we can see from the chart below that temp slots in between the stock Intel NUC (75C) and the AKASA Newton (71C):

.....However, things get ugly for the fanless Streacom NC1 when we look at SSD temps for the OCCT test. http://translate.google.com/transla...-kontroverzna-streacom-nc1/strana/0/2&act=url

SSD temp during OCCT:

Streacom NC1 : 95C
AKASA Newton: 85C
Impactics D1NU: 82C
Impactics D1NU-EX; 75C
Silverstone PT14: 75C (remember it has its fan spinning pretty fast during this OCCT test)
Streacom NC1 (with NF-B9 fan): 74C
Stock Intel NUC: 64C

(As can be seen in the results above) The reviewers actually added a fan to the little Streacom NC1 to get the temps down during OCCT.

To get an idea of how large the Steacom NC1 is, here is picture with the NUC motherboard installed:

So while Streacom NC1 is still the smallest of the purely fanless enclosures in the tested group, it is still quite a bit larger than the NUC motherboard.

Conclusion: It appears the smaller the fanless chassis for NUC, the higher the SSD temps get.

 

[nForce2]

a website in uk posted a new review on the biostar 1037u board.

http://www.overclockerstech.com/biostar-mini-itx-motherboard-review/

from the benchmark results, it seems like 1037u is less powerful than the kabini a6-5200 board from ECS, which is price at $139.99.

I think this might have actually been a typo by Overclockers Tech. All of their text and images show a comparison of the Biostar against the "ECS NM70-12". But the "dash twelve" motherboard doesn't appear to actually exist. Instead, I think they are comparing the 1037U Biostar against the 1037U ECS NM70-I2 (letter "I", number two). That would explain why the results are so incredibly close. (Note the scales on the graphs).

 

[nForce2]

That Czech NUC review in post #260 got me wondering about fanless cooling efficiency on NUC vs. EPIC with respect to SSD temps:

Based on what I read in the Czech review, it appears CPU temps aren't really the issue with PT14 and NUC (Re: CPUs can tolerate a Tjunction of 105C), but rather SSD temps we should be more concerned about.

So while an EPIC board is larger and would obviously require more metal for the enclosure, Is this really a bad thing when NUC appears to require more metal in the case for best possible cooling anyway?

This is a very good observation. I think the biggest problem is that these case designers simply don't think about where all of the heat from each of these components is going to go.

In particular, there is the distinction between a ventilated fanless case, and a closed or sealed fanless case. While a sealed case may make sense for a harsh industrial environment, it isn't necessarily the right choice for a consumer environment.


Let's look at a few of the fanless NUC cases in that review.



The Akasa Newton is completely enclosed. There are no holes in the top, no holes in the sides, and no holes in the bottom. Sure, the CPU will transfer its heat directly to the case, to radiate on the outside. But what happens to the RAM, SSD, and other components that give off heat to the surrounding air? They're effectively left to bake inside a closed oven, not just from their own heat output, but with the sides of that oven heated by the CPU!

The Impactics D1NU is the same story. There's no efficient way for this internal heat to escape.

... as is the Impactics D1NU-EX:

Of them, the SilverStone PT14 is the only one with any kind of venting at all:

So bringing this back around to the 1037U systems, I think the Qotom T30 actually has a pretty good chance of keeping the SSD and RAM cooler. Not necessarily because the motherboard is larger and more spread out, but because the case is well ventilated. The top has two sets of vents, and two of the four sides have vents as well. This will prevent the extreme buildup of heat that the NUC cases in that review have. :thumbsup:

 

[SinceCCF]

I think this might have actually been a typo by Overclockers Tech. All of their text and images show a comparison of the Biostar against the "ECS NM70-12". But the "dash twelve" motherboard doesn't appear to actually exist. Instead, I think they are comparing the 1037U Biostar against the 1037U ECS NM70-I2 (letter "I", number two). That would explain why the results are so incredibly close. (Note the scales on the graphs).

Sorry I didn't post the link for the comparison, hwbot has a list of benchmarks from a6-5200 with asrock mini ITX board, and the performance of a6-5200 is way higher than 1037u, even super pi 1M AMD is leading 1037u, which we all know Intel has the advantage for years.

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/a6_5200/

 

[nForce2]

Sorry I didn't post the link for the comparison, hwbot has a list of benchmarks from a6-5200 with asrock mini ITX board, and the performance of a6-5200 is way higher than 1037u, even super pi 1M AMD is leading 1037u, which we all know Intel has the advantage for years.

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/a6_5200/

Hmm, interesting.

So the Super Pi mod 1.5 XS 1M results for the systems are as follows (lower is better):
Biostar NM70I-1037U: 34.436
ECS NM70-I2: 35.223
A6-5200 (ASRock IMB-A180-H): 31.816



I did a Google search to see if I could find any other results... What do you think of this one?
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Celeron-1037U-Notebook-Prozessor.87686.0.html
A 1037U laptop, the Terra Mobile 1512, scored 21.528 on the Super Pi mod 1.5 XS 1M.


//edit:
Even the Celeron 847 seems to be capable of matching or beating Overclockers Tech's results with the 1037U systems:
34.960
http://hwbot.org/submission/2397984_borandi_superpi___1m_celeron_847_34sec_960ms

 

[nForce2]

Gigabyte has a new 1037U motherboard! Finally, a fanless motherboard with a substantial heatsink!! (I think this is actually the first non-industrial fanless 1037U motherboard?)

GA-C1037UN-EU:

http://www.overclockers.ua/news/hardware/2013-10-29/112320/

http://www.hwp.ru/news/Gigabyte_ano...vstroennim_protsessorom_Celeron_1037U_123282/

 

[cbn]

So bringing this back around to the 1037U systems, I think the Qotom T30 actually has a pretty good chance of keeping the SSD and RAM cooler. Not necessarily because the motherboard is larger and more spread out, but because the case is well ventilated. The top has two sets of vents, and two of the four sides have vents as well. This will prevent the extreme buildup of heat that the NUC cases in that review have. :thumbsup:

Looking at the Streacom NC1 in the update review from post #265:

It does have a good amount of vent holes. It is also the smallest purely fanless case in the group. (Only the Silverstone PT14 and Stock NUC are smaller).

Yet it has the worst SSD temps of all the fanless chassis in during both OCCT and 40Mbps H.264 playback.

SSD-40mbps H.264:

Streacom NC1 72C
Akasa Newton 71C
Impactics D1NU 64C
Impactics D1NU-EX 61C

but ironically notice the two cases below with fans actually have worse SSD temps than the purely fanless ones above during 40mbps H.264:
Intel NUC 75C
Silverstone PT 14 82C (which also has vents, in addition to fan spinning 225 rpm)

SSD temp during OCCT:

Streacom NC1 : 95C
AKASA Newton: 85C
Impactics D1NU: 82C
Impactics D1NU-EX; 75C
Silverstone PT14: 75C (fan speed 2400 rpm during this OCCT test)
Streacom NC1 (with NF-B9 fan): 74C
Stock Intel NUC: 64C


A couple of shots at its cpu interface:

Not sure what is going on here?

 

[SinceCCF]

Hmm, interesting.

So the Super Pi mod 1.5 XS 1M results for the systems are as follows (lower is better):
Biostar NM70I-1037U: 34.436
ECS NM70-I2: 35.223
A6-5200 (ASRock IMB-A180-H): 31.816



I did a Google search to see if I could find any other results... What do you think of this one?
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Celeron-1037U-Notebook-Prozessor.87686.0.html
A 1037U laptop, the Terra Mobile 1512, scored 21.528 on the Super Pi mod 1.5 XS 1M.


//edit:
Even the Celeron 847 seems to be capable of matching or beating Overclockers Tech's results with the 1037U systems:
34.960
http://hwbot.org/submission/2397984_borandi_superpi___1m_celeron_847_34sec_960ms

so where did the 36 seconds in super pi come from? I did a check at hwbot, they listed 1007u super pi 25 seconds, which beats a6-5200 a lot even at only 1.5GHz frequencey, 1037u at 1.8GHz would be close to 20s.


Gigabyte again paired the 1037u with a PCI not pci-e, that means you can't use it for external video card for madvr.

 

[nForce2]

so where did the 36 seconds in super pi come from? I did a check at hwbot, they listed 1007u super pi 25 seconds, which beats a6-5200 a lot even at only 1.5GHz frequencey, 1037u at 1.8GHz would be close to 20s.

I have no idea. I wonder if there was a problem with the test setup that Overclockers Tech used?

Gigabyte again paired the 1037u with a PCI not pci-e, that means you can't use it for external video card for madvr.

Yep, I saw that. :| It also looks like it has an IDE connector, so I think Gigabyte is targeting this board for those looking to replace motherboards in legacy systems.

 

[nForce2]

Looking at the Streacom NC1 in the update review from post #265:

It does have a good amount of vent holes. It is also the smallest purely fanless case in the group. (Only the Silverstone PT14 and Stock NUC are smaller).

Yet it has the worst SSD temps of all the fanless chassis in during both OCCT and 40Mbps H.264 playback.

Not sure what is going on here?

Hmm, I missed that one.

My guess is that there are two problems:
1) The feet on the base are too thin, so the vents on the bottom have too restrictive of a path for air to flow through easily.

2) The unit has too little interior volume, so the heat generated by the RAM and SSD has less air to dissipate this heat to and more easily develops "hot spots". The majority of any airflow from heat convection would be along the edge of the board, not across any of the hot components on the bottom side of the board to draw their heat away.


I would bet that the Streamcom would perform much better on its side (fins oriented vertically) than sitting flat.

 

[86waterpumper]

I will run super Pi 1m tonight on my parents 1037u and report back on the results. Got to do it soon I deliver it to them this weekend
and won't have it to play around with anymore

gigabyte board looks awesome, that heatsink is cool, but no usb 3.0 and pci...super legacy system for sure...even has a com port hah.
Let's find us a 14.4 external modem to hook up