Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[Carson Dyle]

I can understand that, but the TDP of the processor alone explains the need for a CPU fan.

 

[cbn]

Intel cut prices on mobile processors several days ago according to CPU World--> http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013122901_Intel_cuts_prices_of_mobile_processors.html

1007U: $86 --> $75 (13% price cut)
1017U: $86 --> $75 (13% price cut)
1037U: $86 --> $75 (13% price cut)

P.S. Here is the official Intel price list (posted in Bay Trail thread)--> http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35900073&postcount=1927

 

[nForce2]

I ask because I see D2550 boards that have passive heat sinks, while all of the 1037U boards have fans.

I can understand that, but the TDP of the processor alone explains the need for a CPU fan.

17W is definitely in the range of being cooled without a fan, and there are fanless 1037U motherboards and systems.

The Gigabyte GA-C1037UN-E is fanless in some markets, the Qotom T30 is fanless, the Qotom Nano-ITX motherboard is available in a fanless config, the Habey BIS-6762 is fanless, and several industrial 1037U motherboards in the 3.5" SBC form factor are fanless. I think we have found at least one other "Mini-PC" type systems that are also fanless. So there are some options out there. :thumbsup:


Also, note that the 1037U supports cTDP (the "c" meaning "configurable"), where you can set the TDP to "TDP-Down" (14W) or "TDP-Up" (25W)... and if you really needed to, you could get the CPU power down to <2.5W at idle by locking it into a low power state. Most motherboards so far do not seem to offer the cTDP adjustment option, but keep in mind that the number of reports for BIOS configs that we know about, one way or another, is very small (just a few).

Locking the CPU into a low-power state initially seems like a bad option, but keep in mind that the 1037U scores almost three times what the D2550 does in benchmarks. So even in some extreme low-power states (one core disabled, etc), the 1037U would still compare favorably to the D2550 in terms of compute performance.

 

[nForce2]

Intel cut prices on mobile processors several days ago according to CPU World

Interesting info! Do you happen to know any historical data, such as if this is the first cut for these CPUs, or when they did this for previous CPU generations?

(In other words, can we draw any conclusions from this, such as guesstimating where the 1037U is at in its life cycle?)

 

[cbn]

Interesting info! Do you happen to know any historical data, such as if this is the first cut for these CPUs, or when they did this for previous CPU generations?

(In other words, can we draw any conclusions from this, such as guesstimating where the 1037U is at in its life cycle?)

As far as I can tell, this is the first price cut for the 10xx CPUs.

With regard to the previous generation, I do not know.

 

[nForce2]

I think this one is new...

the ELSKY 1037F. It looks like it is available in two different configurations, one with dual Gigabit Ethernet, another with a single Ethernet but with extra USB ports.

http://miniboard.en.alibaba.com/pro..._LAN_motherboard_support_HDMI_and_S_PDIF.html

 

[nForce2]

Here's a recent review with a comparison of the Gigabyte GA-C1037UN (with fan) & GA-C1037UN-EU (fanless) motherboards.
http://www.kbench.com/hardware/?no=128198

Power consumption seemed higher than I would have expected... 40W idle (with a 2.5" SSD).

 

[Carson Dyle]

Why in the world are they putting IDE connectors on a miniITX motherboard? In 2014...

I'm amazed more boards don't have mSATA connectors so that a drive becomes completely optional in a small form factor PC and a very small case becomes possible.

 

[cbn]

Why in the world are they putting IDE connectors on a miniITX motherboard? In 2014...

That is a good question.

Maybe there are still a good amount of IDE drives are still floating around out there?

 

[nForce2]

Why in the world are they putting IDE connectors on a miniITX motherboard? In 2014...

I'm amazed more boards don't have mSATA connectors so that a drive becomes completely optional in a small form factor PC and a very small case becomes possible.

Many (most?) of them do have mSATA on them. This one, with the PCI connector and IDE, is a bit of an oddball.

The reason "why" is the same reason we see so many 1037U boards with 9-pin serial ports, PS/2 keyboard/mouse ports, VGA video, etc- because they make awesome drop-in upgrades for legacy computers. :thumbsup:

 

[nForce2]

New review of the MSI Wind Box DC111, but it doesn't really say much that we didn't already know. No power measurements or other tests were performed.

www.gamechannel.hu/cikk/hardverzona/msi_wind_box_dc111_teszt

 

[nForce2]

Looks like the Yueson TN-ION4 is going to be re-branded as the Giada MG-C1037SL.

http://www.giadatech.com/index.php?act=pShow&id=23

 

[86waterpumper]

The reason "why" is the same reason we see so many 1037U boards with 9-pin serial ports, PS/2 keyboard/mouse ports, VGA video, etc- because they make awesome drop-in upgrades for legacy computers.

I agree this is the reason. Industrial type business machine replacements is probably the situation this is most seen good for. Some things are still fine on ide though. I have a dvd burner that is ide, and there is no reason to swap it out at all unless it broke. Some of the best dvd drives made were ide especially the old plextors...now I wouldn't be using a ide hard drive these days.

Meanwhile, months later newegg continues right along selling biostar 847 boards...:\ and amazon has several gigabyte ones. There seems to be no real price difference at all between these and 1037u boards. My son has a old amd socket 754 desktop that I would love to buy one to upgrade, as it struggles with high def video etc but I refused to pay that much to do so...if they ever hit 50 bucks shipped I might but with the ecs board at 66 bucks even that doesnt make much sense

 

[SinceCCF]

After five months we started this topic about 1037u especially biostar 1037u, it's now available at newegg.com for $79.99, phew, finally.

 

[cbn]

After five months we started this topic about 1037u especially biostar 1037u, it's now available at newegg.com for $79.99, phew, finally.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...93&amp;ignorebbr=1 ($79.99 + $6.98 shipping)

Hopefully this board doesn't have the random reboot issue the Biostar 847 board had under Linux. According to the latest post update (see edit 3) over at Ubuntu forums disabling both RC6 options in the BIOS doesn't fix that--> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2094859&p=12480422#post12480422 )

 

[Carson Dyle]

I can't believe how expensive the Giada N70E-DR HM77 chipset board is. $187 shipped from Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813176015

 

[nForce2]

After five months we started this topic about 1037u especially biostar 1037u, it's now available at newegg.com for $79.99, phew, finally.

LOL. :biggrin: Good catch!

Can you believe they sat on inventory for over five months, completely missing the entire holiday season, just to clear old 847 stock?

They're last in line to a crowded market now... when they could have been first. Not a single 1037U system was out yet (in the US) when I contacted them in August.

Newegg is showing 78 in stock right now - any predictions how far into the next CPU generation Biostar will hold on to the 1037U stock? :biggrin: :biggrin:

 

[86waterpumper]

nice biostar finally booted it out the door! Better late than never I guess. I am not sure how long it will sell, but the newer celerons such as the 2955u are not much of a upgrade. The idle watts may be down by one or two, but with the lower clock speeds the performance is probably a wash.

 

[nForce2]

nice biostar finally booted it out the door! Better late than never I guess. I am not sure how long it will sell, but the newer celerons such as the 2955u are not much of a upgrade. The idle watts may be down by one or two, but with the lower clock speeds the performance is probably a wash.

Yeah, the CPU benchmarks put the 2955U right between the 1007U (1.5 GHz) and 1017U (1.6 GHz). The wild-card would be the graphics performance... If anyone finds any benchmarks for this, please post them!

 

[xander2]

Hello,

I recently bought GA-C1037UN-EU to use as a home server/backup computer and I wonder if i can run it in an absolutely fanless system. What I mean is: I have one 80mm intake case fan, running on 2000 rpm, that is too loud for the small room, where the computer is. If I disconnect it, it is great, but I see that the temperatures are rising and I worry for the health of the system.

So, is it O.K. to run it all fanless, or shall I look for a better fan?

(If GIGABYTE manufactures fanless combo, they expect us to use it in a fanless case, right?)

PS: The PSU does not affect the airflow inside the case.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Hello,

I recently bought GA-C1037UN-EU to use as a home server/backup computer and I wonder if i can run it in an absolutely fanless system. What I mean is: I have one 80mm intake case fan, running on 2000 rpm, that is too loud for the small room, where the computer is. If I disconnect it, it is great, but I see that the temperatures are rising and I worry for the health of the system.

So, is it O.K. to run it all fanless, or shall I look for a better fan?

(If GIGABYTE manufactures fanless combo, they expect us to use it in a fanless case, right?)

PS: The PSU does not affect the airflow inside the case.

You could start by controlling the fan speed or trying out a lower RPM fan, but an 80mm fan is almost always going to be louder than a comparable 120mm or 140mm fan when moving the same amount of air. I'd get a case with a 120mm fan.

 

[nForce2]

Hello,

I recently bought GA-C1037UN-EU to use as a home server/backup computer and I wonder if i can run it in an absolutely fanless system. What I mean is: I have one 80mm intake case fan, running on 2000 rpm, that is too loud for the small room, where the computer is. If I disconnect it, it is great, but I see that the temperatures are rising and I worry for the health of the system.

So, is it O.K. to run it all fanless, or shall I look for a better fan?

(If GIGABYTE manufactures fanless combo, they expect us to use it in a fanless case, right?)

PS: The PSU does not affect the airflow inside the case.

You could start by controlling the fan speed or trying out a lower RPM fan, but an 80mm fan is almost always going to be louder than a comparable 120mm or 140mm fan when moving the same amount of air. I'd get a case with a 120mm fan.

Yep, that's good advice. :thumbsup:


xander2, I wouldn't at all assume that a fanless motherboard is designed for a fanless case... in fact, it is probably the opposite.

To go completely fanless, you would need a case that allows for plenty of natural unrestricted airflow. I think the best option would be to have the motherboard mounted vertically, with the heatsink fins also oriented vertically, in a case with plenty of ventilation on the top and the bottom, so that convection can draw air upward through the case.

Also, keep in mind that a "hot but OK" temperature for a CPU could be waaaay too hot for a hard drive or other components. So you have to keep that in mind too if there is not enough airflow.


Can you clarify what you mean by "PS: The PSU does not affect the airflow inside the case."? Are you running a PicoPSU or some other completely fanless PSU? If not, upgrading your PSU to one with a quieter/higher-volume fan might be an easy way to get the airflow you need without having to use other fans.... but it would still take the right type of case to do it.

 

[cbn]

1037U we are stilling waiting for ---> http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pr...goryID=1&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=17&LanID=0

....and I wonder if ASUS and MSI will be releasing 1037U versions of their old 847 Boards?

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/C847MS-E33.html (Micro-ATX, large passive heatsink)

http://us.msi.com/product/mb/C847IS-P33.html (DVI and VGA)

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/C8HM70IHDMI/ (usb 3.0 via HM70 chipset)

 

[xander2]

Yep, that's good advice. :thumbsup:


xander2, I wouldn't at all assume that a fanless motherboard is designed for a fanless case... in fact, it is probably the opposite.

To go completely fanless, you would need a case that allows for plenty of natural unrestricted airflow. I think the best option would be to have the motherboard mounted vertically, with the heatsink fins also oriented vertically, in a case with plenty of ventilation on the top and the bottom, so that convection can draw air upward through the case.

Also, keep in mind that a "hot but OK" temperature for a CPU could be waaaay too hot for a hard drive or other components. So you have to keep that in mind too if there is not enough airflow.


Can you clarify what you mean by "PS: The PSU does not affect the airflow inside the case."? Are you running a PicoPSU or some other completely fanless PSU? If not, upgrading your PSU to one with a quieter/higher-volume fan might be an easy way to get the airflow you need without having to use other fans.... but it would still take the right type of case to do it.

Here is picture of my case:

The case is actually perforated on the bottom (left side on the picture) and it was possible to position the PSU with its fan out so it is isolated from the rest of the case. And it is quiet enough: when I disconnect the case fan the noise is bearable.

One problem is that when I keep the case horizontal, the air from the 80mm fan does not go directly to the motherboard. But I am afraid to position the case vertically, because all the heat will go in to the HDD that will be on top then. Also I don't have optical drive or exhaust fans on the back (60mm fans are like 4000 rpm and I have room for two of those ).

Anyway, I will go after one of those 80mm PWM fans that are supposed to be silent and look for a way to direct the airflow

 

[cbn]

Foxconn D70S-P (1037U) on sale for $59.99 plus $6.98 shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186236

That puts it at the ~same price as the ECS NM70-I (1037U) v1.0 ($66.99 Free shipping)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G237CMI/...xtension-kb-20

Both have SO-DIMM x1 and four SATA ports (with one of them being 6 Gbps). ECS has a PCI-E x16 slot (running x8) while the Foxconn instead has a PCI-E x1 and Mini-PCIE.