Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[AkumaX]

....windows xp.

srsly??

also, B85 for $7 more. Hmmm..

 

[86waterpumper]

I like the ASUS H81I-PLUS :biggrin:

But the thing is, many people like me do not live anywhere near a microcenter. For anyone that doesn't, going with a 1150 itx board plus cpu is going to be alot more expensive. For most people's parents, grandparents etc a faster setup is just not necessary, really they wouldn't know the difference if they had a e-350 or something even slower. It comes down to price and power draw for me. If I was building myself a system things would be different.

I really wish the biostar board had come out before I had to build this. I have used them in the past, and for this type of small form factor system with hdmi out the bio-remote feature is a nice extra. You can download a phone app that works with it. I do agree they are trying to hock some more 847 boards before they release it. I guess it will be 89 or 90 bucks like the current 847 boards that are out cost. Maybe it will drop before christmas though SinceCCF

 

[sm625]

I bet you could run a G1610 without even plugging in the fan. Worst that should happen is it would throttle under full load, which is something that would rarely happen anyway. I'm almost tempted to try it just to find out.

 

[86waterpumper]

lots of people on silent pc website are running these akasa cases with heatsinks built in them..(no fan). They are running pentiums and even i3 in these cases, so yeah surely g1610 could do this especially if you undervolted it g1610 is old tech though...when will the haswell celerons be out does anyone know?

 

[nForce2]

I really wish the biostar board had come out before I had to build this. I have used them in the past, and for this type of small form factor system with hdmi out the bio-remote feature is a nice extra. You can download a phone app that works with it. I do agree they are trying to hock some more 847 boards before they release it. I guess it will be 89 or 90 bucks like the current 847 boards that are out cost. Maybe it will drop before christmas though SinceCCF

Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen there... Biostar had told me that they would release their 1037U board when the stock of 847 boards was reduced (the NM70I-847)... Newegg still shows that they have 112 of those... so they've sold ONE of them in the past month?


Just looking at Newegg, customers now have a choice between an 847 motherboard at $90 (the older Biostar) vs a twice-as-fast 1037U motherboard at $80? (the Foxconn)

Unless they run a combo deal to clear the 847 boards out, it might be a LONG while before we see the Biostar 1037U boards show up.

 

[SinceCCF]

srsly??

also, B85 for $7 more. Hmmm..

xp is much easier to deal with than win 7 when using remote desktop to control, I tried windows 7 on my SA76G2 and the windows will freeze up for quite a few minutes before I can do anything, xp will not freeze at all. Someone mentioned that 4GB and above of memory is needed for windows 7 if you use remote desktop to control it; and xp has old software to use for my sole purpose of downloading and htpc, emule/azureus/mpc-hc will be all I needed and they all run pretty well in windows XP.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen there... Biostar had told me that they would release their 1037U board when the stock of 847 boards was reduced (the NM70I-847)... Newegg still shows that they have 112 of those... so they've sold ONE of them in the past month?


Just looking at Newegg, customers now have a choice between an 847 motherboard at $90 (the older Biostar) vs a twice-as-fast 1037U motherboard at $80? (the Foxconn)

Unless they run a combo deal to clear the 847 boards out, it might be a LONG while before we see the Biostar 1037U boards show up.

Who's up for a "build an 847-powered HTPC for mom" contest? We'll clear 'em out in no time.

 

[nForce2]

I bet you could run a G1610 without even plugging in the fan. Worst that should happen is it would throttle under full load, which is something that would rarely happen anyway. I'm almost tempted to try it just to find out.

Good thought, but doesn't running a CPU at its maximum temperature (bouncing off of the thermal throttling limiter) dramatically shorten the CPU lifespan? :hmm:

I don't know how you plan to use your machine, but for DVR HTPCs (my intended usage), it sure is possible (and common) to peg the CPU at 100% and hold it there for a while - particularly when transcoding recordings. If you have multiple tuners, high-bit-rate HD recordings, and/or a machine that can't quite keep up with the transcoding in real-time, it wouldn't be hard to keep it at 100% almost continuously.

 

[Zap]

Good thought, but doesn't running a CPU at its maximum temperature (bouncing off of the thermal throttling limiter) dramatically shorten the CPU lifespan? :hmm:

I bet the CPU would last a LONG time if you never took it out of the sealed retail box. :whiste:

Stock speeds and voltages? I don't think you'd have anything to worry about unless you were intentionally running 100% CPU utilization for long periods.

 

[nForce2]

I bet the CPU would last a LONG time if you never took it out of the sealed retail box. :whiste:

Stock speeds and voltages? I don't think you'd have anything to worry about unless you were intentionally running 100% CPU utilization for long periods.

My current HTPC has been running 24/7 since I built it in early 2004, and is still running now. It started off as a line-doubler for a data-grade 3-gun CRT projector, if that helps you picture the time frame. This is a machine that has years of time logged at 100% CPU. When I replace it, genuine long-term reliability is an important part of the build criteria. :thumbsup:

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Good thought, but doesn't running a CPU at its maximum temperature (bouncing off of the thermal throttling limiter) dramatically shorten the CPU lifespan? :hmm:

I don't know how you plan to use your machine, but for DVR HTPCs (my intended usage), it sure is possible (and common) to peg the CPU at 100% and hold it there for a while - particularly when transcoding recordings. If you have multiple tuners, high-bit-rate HD recordings, and/or a machine that can't quite keep up with the transcoding in real-time, it wouldn't be hard to keep it at 100% almost continuously.

Since your current HTPC was built in 2004, I'm... well... I don't mean to slight you, but I think it's possible you lack a frame of reference or proper appreciation for how mind-blowingly awesome newer CPUs and GPUs are.

Transcoding in particular sees HUUUUGE gains from using a GPU. (Quick Sync, or the transcoder built into the AMD Catalyst CC.)

 

[nForce2]

Oh no, I get that.

But neither the 1037U (back on topic ) or the G1610 support Quick Sync or Clear Video, so you're falling back to a software transcode unless you add a separate graphics card.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Transcoding in particular sees HUUUUGE gains from using a GPU. (Quick Sync, or the transcoder built into the AMD Catalyst CC.)

Even if you're only using the CPU, we're talking almost an order of magnitude faster then a 2004 CPU. With a relatively moderate i3-3220.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/92?vs=677

With a 4770K, or even a hex core, its not even funny...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/92?vs=836

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/92?vs=995

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Oh no, I get that.

But neither the 1037U (back on topic ) or the G1610 support Quick Sync or Clear Video, so you're falling back to a software transcode unless you add a separate graphics card.

1) Why wouldn't you install a midrange gaming card in an HTPC? Video games are awesome.

1b) Even a low-profile 7750 (lowend gaming card) will do better than a CPU at some things, and it'll eat less power (~50w) in the process. So it'd actually be MORE efficient in terms of power/heat/noise. It also may give you more video output options, dual-link DVI or Displayport, HDMI, (for 4k TVs or something) etc., that might not be integrated into the motherboard.

2) What Insert said about CPUs being ridiculously more capable than the P4 or Athlon XP (2004? Maybe x2...?) you're rocking.

 

[nForce2]

1) Why wouldn't you install a midrange gaming card in an HTPC? Video games are awesome.

Because I'm not a gamer. :whiste:

Seriously though, I started a thread about the Celeron 1037U. Isn't that alone enough to tell you that gaming isn't my thing? :biggrin:

1b) Even a low-profile 7750 (lowend gaming card) will do better than a CPU at some things, and it'll eat less power (~50w) in the process. So it'd actually be MORE efficient in terms of power/heat/noise. It also may give you more video output options, dual-link DVI or Displayport, HDMI, (for 4k TVs or something) etc., that might not be integrated into the motherboard.

And fits in a Thin-Mini-ITX case? And doesn't add any fans? And works with a motherboard with an onboard DC-DC power supply? And doesn't double the system cost?

A GPU may very well be more efficient than a CPU for a particular task - but adding a dedicated graphics card comes with the penalty of higher idle power consumption when you're NOT doing that task, which offsets or potentially even negates your big-picture efficiency savings unless finishing tasks faster is the only goal. Adding a dedicated GPU also gives the system a much higher potential peak power consumption (+43 watts for the 7750: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/asus/hd_7750/24.html), which means you have a requirement for a much larger capacity power supply.... which is probably physically larger, and is typically less efficient at lower (idle) loads. It all snowballs pretty quickly.

2) What Insert said about CPUs being ridiculously more capable than the P4 or Athlon XP (2004? Maybe x2...?) you're rocking.

Athlon XP - which is why a 1037U, with over 4 times the performance while using less than a third of the power (and at the same time removing the need for a dedicated GPU), is an appealing option. Especially at the $70 price point. :thumbsup:

 

[SinceCCF]

just saw biostar nm70i 1037u is now available for uk at £58.14, for us living in the states, are we gonna wait forever until they get rid of all the 847 inventory?

http://www.ebuyer.com/568200-biosta...-vga-hdmi-6-channel-hd-audio-mini-nm70i-1037u

 

[86waterpumper]

works out to $93.00 us dollars...so still a good bit more than the foxconn board, but a nicer board with dual channel, full memory slots etc. If they want to sell those 847s they are gonna have to put them on sale The 847 on newegg is still 89.99~ so it doesn't appear to me that biostar cares much about clearing them out My foxconn board is supposed to arrive today, so I will include some box shots etc when I unpack it...will be a bit before I have time to build it.

 

[86waterpumper]

Ok got it in finally. Packaging and included items were about as expected although I was surprised to see a full sized cd. Alot don't even come with that anymore they want you to download drivers off their website. Two sata cables, backing plate, quick reference guide etc. I am not sure what the "china only market" sheet is about Anyway the back of the box is pretty funny. It lists out features of the board etc. They probably put this feature set on every motherboard they sell. Listed as top features that were hilarious

1. insert recovery floppy disk and reboot to rescue crashed bios..floppy disk :\

2. exclusive power channels for graphics cards...better graphics performance

3. and finally unlimited cpu multiplier for better and easier overclocking! haha.

I'm not sure what board they are talking about but surely can't be this one.

Anyway here are a few pics if anyone is curious.

http://www.fototime.com/inv/5C24F45B1853E57

 

[SinceCCF]

that piece of paper for China market only is the declaration of warranty coverage, it basically says that buyer needs to register their product before any warranty service/exchange whatsoever. Back in 2008 I used a 975X foxconn board when newegg was doing clerance, bought it for $50 and paired with a pair of DDR2 ECC and it was rock solid as a home server, just got rid of it last year when I moved, the build quality of foxconn board is good but I just hate the limited features of foxconn motherboard, it's more like an OEM board of dell/hp capable of doing everyday work but with no highlight at all; now I have a dell vostro 220 from 2009 24x7 as home server and afaik that also uses a foxconn motherboard.

 

[cbn]

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[nForce2]

just saw biostar nm70i 1037u is now available for uk at £58.14, for us living in the states, are we gonna wait forever until they get rid of all the 847 inventory?

http://www.ebuyer.com/568200-biosta...-vga-hdmi-6-channel-hd-audio-mini-nm70i-1037u

I didn't see that - Thanks for the heads-up! :thumbsup:

works out to $93.00 us dollars...so still a good bit more than the foxconn board, but a nicer board with dual channel, full memory slots etc. If they want to sell those 847s they are gonna have to put them on sale The 847 on newegg is still 89.99~ so it doesn't appear to me that biostar cares much about clearing them out

Absolutely. I wonder who makes that call? Is it Newegg, or Biostar that determines the ongoing market price for the older products that are still in inventory?

$93 really isn't a bad price point, all things considered. It's a step up from the Foxconn, but still only half the price of the Giada. If you want a full-size PCI-Express slot, this seems like a decent way to get it. I suppose you would have to add on some shipping charges though...


So that's three motherboards on the market now. I wonder which will be the first with the onboard single-voltage power supply?

Ok got it in finally.
...
Anyway here are a few pics if anyone is curious.

Thanks for taking those pictures!

Have you had a chance to power it up yet?

 

[nForce2]

Also, this:

3. and finally unlimited cpu multiplier for better and easier overclocking! haha.

is hilarious. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[cbn]

If they want to sell those 847s they are gonna have to put them on sale The 847 on newegg is still 89.99~ so it doesn't appear to me that biostar cares much about clearing them out

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138368

Price on the Biostar Celeron 847 just dropped to $64.99 with free shipping.

That is not quite as good as the free 8GB deal I was expecting, but it is a move in the right direction.

 

[SinceCCF]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138368

Price on the Biostar Celeron 847 just dropped to $64.99 with free shipping.

That is not quite as good as the free 8GB deal I was expecting, but it is a move in the right direction.

Nice, newegg is now finally dumping the 847 boards, hope I can get the 1037u biostar by thanksgiving to build a new htpc.

 

[86waterpumper]

No I havent had time to fool with firing it up yet. I hope to do that tommorow. I do have the board installed in the case and the ram i ordered just came in thursday. (try to make up somewhat for single channel by running 1600 speed corsair vengeance memory haha)

It is good to see the 847 biostars on sale...better late than never.