Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[nForce2]

Here's another interesting one. I can't find a model name, but it's made by a company called 'BEOTS'.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...16G-SSD-2G-RAM-Mini-TV/413246_1322828893.html

The price was at $230 a few days ago, and has now changed to $350. So it's not a very good deal anymore... but the concept is still interesting. It looks like rather than a custom oddball motherboard, this one is basically a Thin Mini-ITX motherboard, with the onboard DC-DC power supply, put in as small of a case as you could possibly put it in.

 

[nForce2]

... and by Google Image searches looking for a 1037U motherboard with a chrome air guard, I think the motherboard inside is this one, the WEIBU 1037G-P. The connector arrangement seems to match.


http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=19022565482

 

[AkumaX]

Following your idea, I wonder if one of these mini-PCIe USB cards would work? You would have to cut new holes in the aluminum case for the connectors, and find a cable that lays flat coming out of the mini-PCIe card, but assuming you can do that, I bet there would be space for it inside the T30 case.

http://www.logicsupply.com/products/admpeasu3a

Haha that thing looks awesome

 

[nForce2]

Haha that thing looks awesome

Yeah, I thought so too. There's quite a few on the market, and prices range from ~$30-60 it looks like. So that's not terrible, but it could be significant enough to make you just spend a bit more on a MB with native USB 3.0 instead.


I think the harder part is that the connector and cable on the board of most of them look like this:
http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/117352-adapter-card-2-port-mini-pcie-usb3-0-mpexusb3s22b-startech.html

Where to fit into any sort of smallish case, what you really need is the type that looks like this:
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/network-dev...-pci-express-superspeed-usb-3-0-card-adapter/

 

[cbn]

Here's another interesting one. I can't find a model name, but it's made by a company called 'BEOTS'.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...16G-SSD-2G-RAM-Mini-TV/413246_1322828893.html

The price was at $230 a few days ago, and has now changed to $350. So it's not a very good deal anymore... but the concept is still interesting. It looks like rather than a custom oddball motherboard, this one is basically a Thin Mini-ITX motherboard, with the onboard DC-DC power supply, put in as small of a case as you could possibly put it in.

Here is a listing for the BEOTS 1037U at $218 ---> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...-Computer-WIFI-150mb-s/413246_1366018767.html

....and $189 ---> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...SD-1G-memory-WIFI-1080/413246_1365887360.html

(There is a picture of the motherboard at the end of the listings. It does appear to be the same as the one you listed in post #127)

 

[nForce2]

More and more motherboards are appearing every day now. :thumbsup:

Here's one more I found today, the INTECH PEGATRON IPXCR-VN1 1037U.
http://prod.danawa.com/info/?pcode=2075444
(scroll waaaay down the page to see the product information)


This one actually looks pretty nice. It has a full-size PCI-Express slot, USB 3 (the rare option), dual-channel memory, HDMI, and SATA 3.

At today's exchange rate, 100,640 KRW = $93.70 US, so the price isn't bad either.

... and you can click on the bar above this massively huge image if you want to see the entire set of the high-quality pictures from the site. :biggrin: For some reason, they thought it would be better to just put them all into the same image, instead of separate.

 

[nForce2]

Here is a listing for the BEOTS 1037U at $218 ---> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...-Computer-WIFI-150mb-s/413246_1366018767.html

....and $189 ---> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...SD-1G-memory-WIFI-1080/413246_1365887360.html

(There is a picture of the motherboard at the end of the listings. It does appear to be the same as the one you listed in post #127)

Good find! $189 is a LOT more reasonable than $350.

I've also learned now that the pink connector is the "Mike Mouth". I was wondering what that one was.

 

[nForce2]

Here's a review (in Korean) for the IPXCR-VN1 1037U, which shows all of the retail packaging. The Google translation was a bit strange... I think they liked it, but thought it was too expensive?

http://zinho.tistory.com/331

 

[nForce2]

Wow, today really is the day. I've found two more!

The first is the Qotom-i37.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...i37-HTPC-FULL-HD-1080P/108231_1211035952.html
http://qotom.en.alibaba.com/product...HD_1080P_Video_Blue_Ray_wireless_wifi_pc.html


$159, and the case has space and mounting for not just one, but two internal 2.5" drives. I could definitely see this one as a HTPC machine. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[nForce2]

... and the second: The Jetway JBC231C9R-1037-BB / JBC231C9R-103W-BB

http://www.jetway.com.tw/ge/Barebone_view.asp?productid=1042


This one is a bit larger - basically a compact Mini-ITX case as a barebones package - but it's a 1037U motherboard with the 12V DC input, and it has a slim optical drive and space for one 2.5" drive. So if you need an optical drive, this one might be another good option as a HTPC.

No pricing or availability information, so I'll assume that it isn't available yet.

 

[cbn]

Price comparsison of Qotom-T30 and $189 BEOTS after shipping is factored in.

Qotom 1037U with 2 GB RAM. 8 GB msata SSD, no wifi : $165.95 shipped
BEOTS 1037U with 1 GB RAM, 8 GB msata SSD, 150 Mb/s Wifi : $217.81 shipped

So for $51.90 less money the Qotom-T30 comes with 1 GB more RAM, but it doesn't have the 150 Mb/s Wifi.

 

[nForce2]

Price comparsison of Qotom-T30 and $189 BEOTS after shipping is factored in.

Qotom 1037U with 2 GB RAM. 8 GB msata SSD, no wifi : $165.95 shipped
BEOTS 1037U with 1 GB RAM, 8 GB msata SSD, 150 Mb/s Wifi : $217.81 shipped

So for $51.90 less money the Qotom-T30 comes with 1 GB more RAM, but it doesn't have the 150 Mb/s Wifi.

Personally, I think the Qotom-T30 looks a lot better too - mainly due to its smaller size and cleaner design. So with the lower price AND the looks, it would be an easy choice.

Qotom-T30: 205mm x 140mm x 40mm
BEOTS: 195mm x 199mm x 34mm

(BEOTS size reference: a similar machine in a visually identical case, since the 1037U listing doesn't have the dimensions:http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...FREE-OS-linux-AMD-E350-1G-DDR3/644865386.html)


I think the primary reason why the BEOTS would be worth considering, is that it's a standard motherboard inside the case. So if at some point in the future, you decided to upgrade it (a full size power supply, internal drives, etc.), you could do so by swapping the cases, without having to buy a new motherboard.

Qotom-T30

'BEOTS'.

 

[nForce2]

Wow, today really is the day. I've found two more!

The first is the Qotom-i37.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...i37-HTPC-FULL-HD-1080P/108231_1211035952.html
http://qotom.en.alibaba.com/product...HD_1080P_Video_Blue_Ray_wireless_wifi_pc.html

Digging a bit, I think the motherboard in this one is the GreatZC ZC-1037U (Yes, another new one).

http://www.greatzc.net/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=306

It could also be the ZC-1037U-2C (http://www.greatzc.net/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=307) or the ZC-1037U-6C (http://www.greatzc.net/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=308), but I didn't see any serial ports in the picture)

 

[nForce2]

... and this looks to be the case: The Realan N3H

http://www.itxpower.com/article_223.html

... which looks to be a shortened/customized version of this one:

http://www.itxcase.net/product_E-N3.html

 

[cbn]

Personally, I think the Qotom-T30 looks a lot better too - mainly due to its smaller size and cleaner design. So with the lower price AND the looks, it would be an easy choice.

Qotom-T30: 205mm x 140mm x 40mm
BEOTS: 195mm x 199mm x 34mm

The Qotom-T30 is also claimed to be passively cooled (which think is another plus). Unfortunately I have not been able to find any pictures of its motherboard and cpu heatsink (to confirm).

(BEOTS size reference: a similar machine in a visually identical case, since the 1037U listing doesn't have the dimensions:http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...FREE-OS-linux-AMD-E350-1G-DDR3/644865386.html)


I think the primary reason why the BEOTS would be worth considering, is that it's a standard motherboard inside the case. So if at some point in the future, you decided to upgrade it (a full size power supply, internal drives, etc.), you could do so by swapping the cases, without having to buy a new motherboard.

I saw that AMD version when I was browsing the BEOTS store. I think it may have the exact same I/O layout on the rear as the 1037U version (I need to look at more pictures though. The one I am looking at from your link doesn't show all of the rear I/O...only part of it.)

I only wish these BEOTS computers were available with a standard cutout in the rear for a conventional thin mini itx I/O shield (like the Silverstone PT13). I think that BEOTS thin mini itx case is rather nice and at some point I might want to reuse it with another motherboard (eg, Haswell ULV Celeron 2955U or 2980U which has a better GPU and usb 3.0) if I bought that computer.

P.S. The Silverstone PT13 has an aluminum lid, but the body is steel. I am under the impression the BEOTS is completely Aluminum. Plus the BEOTS has a nicer looking stand.

 

[cbn]

http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=19022565482

Digging a bit, I think the motherboard in this one is the GreatZC ZC-1037U (Yes, another new one).

http://www.greatzc.net/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=306

It could also be the ZC-1037U-2C (http://www.greatzc.net/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=307) or the ZC-1037U-6C (http://www.greatzc.net/index.php?_m=mod_product&_a=view&p_id=308), but I didn't see any serial ports in the picture)

It is nice to see these boards having all solid caps.

 

[86waterpumper]

cool looking systems, my thing with all these foreign rigs is that if something goes wrong you are pretty well screwed...I am sure they might warranty it, but alot of red tape hassle and shipping cost. It does look like that qotom one at least has one usb 3.0 port?

In other news I had some time to tinker with the e-350 system I built a good while back for my girlfriend. It serves her well for checking email and ebay etc facebook, but I wanted to see how it did on 1080p video compared to the 1037u. Playing the exact same video I did when I reported the other day, the e-350 could not even play 1080p! I had tested netflix on that system but not youtube. Anyway it was even choppy with 720p. CPU usage at 1080p was 99 percent lol. At 720p something like 75 to 80 percent and still not watchable. This is while nothing else at all was being done on the system. It just goes to show that the intel ipc is superior because the 1037u plays fine even at the same cpu percentage. I had to lower the video down to 480p to get the e-350 to be between 35-50 percent usage that the 1037u was on full hd. The igp on the e-350 is a tad stronger but it is paired with such a slow cpu I can't see that it is very useful. I guess we will see how good the kabini units are right?

 

[SithSolo1]

Another somewhat related development - the 1037U-based Gigabyte BRIX GB-XM14-1037 is now available from a seller on eBay, for $230 shipped direct from Taiwan:

www.ebay.com/itm/271259815785

So we might start seeing these pretty soon too.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4606#sp

Sorry if this has been posted but Newegg has the 1037 brix unit for $170 shipped. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164005

 

[nForce2]

The Qotom-T30 is also claimed to be passively cooled (which think is another plus). Unfortunately I have not been able to find any pictures of its motherboard and cpu heatsink (to confirm).

Being fanless would be a HUGE plus. I'm a bit skeptical, as it doesn't seem like it has enough ventilation... but maybe they run a heat pipe to the enclosure and use the whole thing as a heatsink?

I only wish these BEOTS computers were available with a standard cutout in the rear for a conventional thin mini itx I/O shield (like the Silverstone PT13). I think that BEOTS thin mini itx case is rather nice and at some point I might want to reuse it with another motherboard (eg, Haswell ULV Celeron 2955U or 2980U which has a better GPU and usb 3.0) if I bought that computer.

They might be available - that Realan case I found is available with a Mini-ITX (not "thin") cutout, instead of the custom back panel. But I haven't been able to find who makes that BEOTS case, or if it is available as just a case...

On the bright side though, with the extruded construction, that back part of the BEOTS case is just a flat panel that is screwed on. So you could easily replace that whole back panel with a new panel that you had cut for the standard I/O shield. :thumbsup:

cool looking systems, my thing with all these foreign rigs is that if something goes wrong you are pretty well screwed...I am sure they might warranty it, but alot of red tape hassle and shipping cost.

Agreed. Plus a LOT of time for round-trip shipping. :\

In other news I had some time to tinker with the e-350 system I built a good while back for my girlfriend. It serves her well for checking email and ebay etc facebook, but I wanted to see how it did on 1080p video compared to the 1037u. Playing the exact same video I did when I reported the other day, the e-350 could not even play 1080p! I had tested netflix on that system but not youtube. Anyway it was even choppy with 720p. CPU usage at 1080p was 99 percent lol. At 720p something like 75 to 80 percent and still not watchable. This is while nothing else at all was being done on the system.

Are you going to order another one of the Foxconn 1037U motherboard to upgrade it? :biggrin:

 

[SinceCCF]

Sorry if this has been posted but Newegg has the 1037 brix unit for $170 shipped. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164005

great find, this now puts me on the fence of either this brix or waiting for a itx board. $170 is not too bad so very hard to decide.

 

[nForce2]

Sorry if this has been posted but Newegg has the 1037 brix unit for $170 shipped. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164005

No, that hadn't been posted! Thanks for the heads-up! :thumbsup:

$170 is a really good price, I think. Expansion is severely limited (and no USB 3), so those are some negatives working against it... but it's a USA seller and if size is important for you, the GB-XM14-1037 BRIX is the smallest 1037U system available from anyone. (Even smaller than the Qotom-Q100). :thumbsup:


//edit:
It looks like GIGABYTE has also updated their product website:
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4606#ov

Specs:

Dimension 29.9 x 107.9 x 114.6 mm
Motherboard 100 x 105 mm
CPU Available with:
Intel® Celeron® 1037U 1.8GHz
Chipset Intel® NM70
Memory 2 x SO-DIMM DDR3 slots
1333 / 1600 MHz
Max. 16GB (8GB x 2)
LAN Gigabit LAN (Realtek RTL8111E)
Graphics Intel® HD graphics
Expansion Slots 1 x mSATA slot
1 x Half-size mini-PCIe slot occupied by the WiFi card
Front I/O 1 x USB 2.0
Rear I/O 1 x HDMI
1 x Mini DisplayPort
1 x USB 2.0
1 x RJ45
1 x DC-In
1 x Kensington lock slot
Power Supply Input: AC 100-240V
Output: DC 19V
3.42A
VESA Bracket included
Supports 75 x 75 and 100 x 100 mm

 

[nForce2]

Here are two more new ones to keep an eye on:

The J&W Technology ITX-N1037IDG-2, which features onboard Nvidia GT610 1GB Graphics and a 19V DC input in a Thin Mini-ITX form factor:

http://www.jwele.us/products/N1037IDG-2.asp
http://www.jwipc.com/product/mt/thin/20130810/101.html

... and the J&W Technology IITX-N1037ID-2, which appears to be identical, but with the discrete graphics removed. Note that as a consequence, it appears to have twice as large of a heatsink as it actually needs, so that might be a good thing. :thumbsup:

http://www.jwele.us/products/ITX-N1037ID-2.asp
http://www.jwipc.com/product/mt/thin/20130810/102.html

 

[86waterpumper]

was looking at the specs for the haswell celeron u chips. WTF!!! downclock to 1.6? I know haswell has a better ipc but still why go backwards? What we need is a 2ghz...that is very disappointing. Maybe they did this to keep the wattage down? Haswell is worse at power draw right? the e2-3000 kabini is supposed to turbo to 2.4...but of course according to early testing people are saying the 1007u still whoops it, so intel must be confident in releasing low frequency parts for the time being. Imagine if amd stepped up their game and intel actually had to try...we might have 17 watt cpu like the 1037u with turbo and hyperthreading enabled...

No no plans to update the e-350 just yet If it was her only computer I would but it still works fine for surfing the web and the like. Eventually I will do so probably with whatever version of these boards comes out after the haswell chips...be nice if you could get like a 847 on a super cheap blowout price like 20 or 30 bucks then I might for the heck of it...

 

[Zap]

The issue with the antec 300-150 isk psu isn't really the oversized part as much as it is efficiency. The thing is only like 70 percent efficient.

How many watts would you be saving versus an 80% efficient unit, when you're only drawing 30W from the wall? Off the top of my head, I'm thinking just over 3W difference. That's not a huge amount.

Here's one more I found today, the INTECH PEGATRON IPXCR-VN1 1037U.
http://prod.danawa.com/info/?pcode=2075444
(scroll waaaay down the page to see the product information)


This one actually looks pretty nice. It has a full-size PCI-Express slot, USB 3 (the rare option), dual-channel memory, HDMI, and SATA 3.

At today's exchange rate, 100,640 KRW = $93.70 US, so the price isn't bad either.

That one does look pretty nice. IDK why so many don't come with USB 3.0. Can't imagine buying something new without it, especially in something that would typically be in a case with very limited HDD expansion.

 

[nForce2]

was looking at the specs for the haswell celeron u chips. WTF!!! downclock to 1.6? I know haswell has a better ipc but still why go backwards? What we need is a 2ghz...that is very disappointing. Maybe they did this to keep the wattage down? Haswell is worse at power draw right?

Are you referring to the Celeron 2955U (1.4 GHz) and 2980U (1.6 GHz)? I'd be tempted to wait for them and see how they perform - especially as 15W TDP chips - but I suspect with how long it took these 1037U boards to materialize, it may be a while before we start seeing them.... :\

How many watts would you be saving versus an 80% efficient unit, when you're only drawing 30W from the wall? Off the top of my head, I'm thinking just over 3W difference. That's not a huge amount.

I think the problem you would have is that even with a small 150W power supply in the Antec, that 30W load is just 20% of the power supply capacity - which is the lowest power level that the power supply has to certify to for the ratings (80-plus, etc). So it may be even less efficient (percentage-wise) when it is idling.

But you're completely right, the lower the power gets, the more you get to the point of diminishing returns... and this (3W) is really getting down there. So it probably isn't worth it to swap out the power supply just for efficiency reasons.

Personally though, if it was my machine, I think I'd swap it for a PicoPSU anyway, just to get rid of a fan.