Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[86waterpumper]

I agree about the lack of usb 3. I get maybe why the cheaper motherboards don't get it, but these custom made enclosure systems all ought to have it at the prices they are bringing. I mean the gigabyte brix i3 model has it but not the 1037u one haha. :\

Ok, I did a bunch of testing tonight, probably most of what I will do unless someone has a specific test they would like for me to run? nforce I have the bios pics I will upload them to my fototime at work tomm.

So...I ran tests with the kill a watt finally. Zap is right, not a huge difference in power except for the fact that the 70 percent efficiency rating on this psu on the test I read was achieved when power draw was higher up...close to 100 watts. I am thinking in a usage case such as mine, I am not even seeing 70, so maybe at least a difference of five or so watts, still not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and nothing you would ever notice on a power bill. I just wanted people to be aware my numbers would probably differ from someone with a pico or brick type psu.

sitting idle at windows 8 desktop 28.8 watts.
playing a 1080p youtube video 37.0 watts (worst case)
prime 95 blend torture test 40.0 watts (worst case)

that is pretty funny to me...fully loaded cores on prime only added 3 watts
from 35 percent cpu usage...lol

idle temps on this cpu sitting in widows were around 45. Max temps i saw running prime after several minutes were 60. The cpu seems to run in a fairly tight range of temps, and adjusting the smart fan control in the bios to start the fan at 60c didn't change anything...looks like it does what the heck it wants regardless of what you pick. Even while priming, the fan didn't pick up speed, still kicked right along at around 3k rpm. BTW, the cpu fan is not very loud at this rpm I can hear the included antec psu fan over the top of it easily. It would have to turn pretty close to the full bore 6k speed to be worrysome and even prime 95 doesn't require that...

I ran netflix to test cpu usage. Standard def. netflix came in at around 35 percent, same as 1080p youtube, but hd netflix surprised me. This came in
between 65 and 75 percent! Don't get me wrong it handled it, there was no lagging or jerking or anything but I am going to tell you right now, this cpu is the least you would want to run netflix or use as a htpc, etc. Funny enough, the e-350 will run regular def. netflix fairly well, (with cpu at 99 percent). The only explanation I can give is that maybe silverlight can somehow use the e-350 igp? One thing is sure silverlight is a much worse power hog than even flash. I will still try to get kill a watt numbers on the e-350 system. If anyone has a specific test they want me to run I will be happy to. I will have this system here at least another two weeks before I hand it off to my parents.

For those interested in this particular board, foxconn includes some utilities on a cd, I installed these just for laughs. One was called fox 1, this is a tweaking utility, very buggy and skinned like a custom winamp skin or the like, I wasn't able to change anything with it. There is a fox logo utility which allows you to customize the bios logo I guess that is pretty cool. There is a live update that allows you to update the diff. utilities, the system bios etc. There is a dmi utility that extracts info about the memory, mainboard and cpu etc. Last of all there was a fox smart charger utility. This is similar to the biostar charger booster utility. Supposedly it helps charge iphones faster? I don't know why it wouldn't charge everything hooked to it faster...but it always just says iphones. I don't know if it will charge my android phone faster or not I installed it for the heck of it. I am looking forward to seeing someone else get one of these 1037u systems and tinker with it.

 

[nForce2]

Logic Supply has a new one, the C10X61B (manufacturer unknown).

It seems rather unremarkable. USB 2.0, ATX-style power input, single-channel memory, no desktop-style PCI-Express, and single ethernet. 6x serial ports though, if that's what you need. $139.

http://www.logicsupply.com/products/c10x61b

A Google search for "C10X61B" finds this:
http://www.micputer.com/en/Products_View.asp?ID=304&name=ITX-C10X61B (2013)&classid=2

So it looks like the manufacturer/brand is one of....

XinZhiXin Group is an innovative high-tech company, comprised of WeiXin Electronics factory, OEM Business department, Micputer marketing center, Cthim marketing center, Zoroe marketing center and ShenYing Marketing Center, ATLA Marketing Center, ZhengFuYuan Trade Co., Ltd., and HONG KONG MAXWORLD TECHNOLOGY LIMITED. etc..

:biggrin:

 

[86waterpumper]

If this was my rig I would get rid of the psu and fan too...not worth the money or trouble in this case, but I like systems to be quieter more and more these days haha. I have to admit also it would be sort of a pain because the optical drive I am using takes the smaller six pin sata power plug which the antec supply had, and most pico wiring hookups I have seen do not have this provided. I am sure there is some adapter though...

When the 300-150 isk first came out, they did have a version with a external 60 or 65 watt power brick there for awhile, I wish that version was still available.

 

[nForce2]

idle temps on this cpu sitting in widows were around 45. Max temps i saw running prime after several minutes were 60. The cpu seems to run in a fairly tight range of temps, and adjusting the smart fan control in the bios to start the fan at 60c didn't change anything...looks like it does what the heck it wants regardless of what you pick. Even while priming, the fan didn't pick up speed, still kicked right along at around 3k rpm.

Bummer. :\

My hope when I saw that in your picture of the BIOS was that a person could buy one of these, replace the heatsink with something substantially larger, set the fan starting temp at a higher value (60+), and have a system that ran in an "almost fanless" mode. If at idle or not doing too much, the fan would be stopped... but it would still have that safety margin to kick in the fan and cool it down if it ever got too hot (prolonged high CPU/GPU load).

The only explanation I can give is that maybe silverlight can somehow use the e-350 igp? One thing is sure silverlight is a much worse power hog than even flash.

On the bright side, if you proved that Silverlight is the worst case, but the 1037U can still keep up with it, then you should be in good shape for everything else!

 

[nForce2]

One more. This one is by Wyatt, but no model number is given. Either the specs or the pictures are wrong, as the specs say that it has a 12V input and HDMI... so we'll have to wait a little bit and see what happens with this listing.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wyat...bit-LAN-Multiport-Serial-LVDS/1203018129.html

 

[nForce2]

Here's a cool embedded 1037U system: the FOX EPIC-N80.

Compact (148mm x 102mm), fanless, two ethernet ports, 12V power input. It's basically the same sort of layout as the NUC, where the motherboard has components on both sides to fit more into the limited space. Memory is limited to 4GB (soldered on).

http://www.lcd-tvpc.com/EnProductShow.asp?ID=560

 

[86waterpumper]

Bummer.

My hope when I saw that in your picture of the BIOS was that a person could buy one of these, replace the heatsink with something substantially larger, set the fan starting temp at a higher value (60+), and have a system that ran in an "almost fanless" mode. If at idle or not doing too much, the fan would be stopped... but it would still have that safety margin to kick in the fan and cool it down if it ever got too hot (prolonged high CPU/GPU load).

don't lose all hope, this cpu could be passively cooled easily, with a decent sized sink The fan is there and spinning but it isn't doing alot. For laughs, I fired up prime again, and totally stopped the fan turning. It took a full five minutes of priming to hit 80c, with this tiny puny heatsink LOL. Unless someone was encoding with this, they could get away with passive cooling, providing the case would accomodate a decent sized sink. Besides, another board's bios might provide better fan control? That seems to vary alot.

 

[nForce2]

... and another, the FOX ITX-M100:

http://www.lcd-tvpc.com/EnProductShow.asp?ID=550

This one has the thin profile, USB 3.0, and a 12V DC input, so it could be a nice option.

 

[nForce2]

don't lose all hope, this cpu could be passively cooled easily, with a decent sized sink The fan is there and spinning but it isn't doing alot. For laughs, I fired up prime again, and totally stopped the fan turning. It took a full five minutes of priming to hit 80c, with this tiny puny heatsink LOL. Unless someone was encoding with this, they could get away with passive cooling, providing the case would accomodate a decent sized sink. Besides, another board's bios might provide better fan control? That seems to vary alot.

Good to know. :thumbsup:

With the fan stopped, how much airflow is there through your Antec case from the power supply? (And is there a case fan?) Dropping the tiny CPU fan, putting in a bigger heatsink, and putting in a larger but much much slower/quieter case fan might also be an option.

If you figure out that there genuinely is a BIOS problem with the Foxconn board, you might consider reporting it to Foxconn - maybe they would release an update?

 

[86waterpumper]

NO airflow from the psu, as it is situated sideways in the front of the case. For the heck of it, I will email foxconn, and see what they say. this bios (latest) for this board is dated june something. who knows if they will even bother to update it haha. This system has a case fan, but it is helping none at all, I don't have the top cover on the case. I just wanted to see what it would do with just the heatsink. I mean this heatsink is tiny. If you had say for instance a stock intel i3 or i5 cooler even that might could run passive for most things. The trouble I see though, is how do you mount it? The heatsink mounts with only two screws, in opposing corners, it is not a normal setup for sure. When I get more time, I will stop the fan turning, and see how normal windows usage goes, temp. wise. Prime 95 is a load situation few computers ever see.

 

[cbn]

don't lose all hope, this cpu could be passively cooled easily, with a decent sized sink The fan is there and spinning but it isn't doing alot. For laughs, I fired up prime again, and totally stopped the fan turning. It took a full five minutes of priming to hit 80c, with this tiny puny heatsink LOL. Unless someone was encoding with this, they could get away with passive cooling, providing the case would accomodate a decent sized sink.

Not sure how much this helps as a reference point, but MSI did make a passively cooled Celeron 847.

Here are some pictures:

and link to the MSI website:

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/C847MS-E33.html

Here is a German review that talks about the cooling ---> http://translate.google.com/transla...://www.hartware.de/review_1587_2.html&act=url

The temperatures stay at 70 ° C after 30 minutes full load in open building in the frame. A weak flow of air should be present in the body.

 

[nForce2]

Not sure how much this helps as a reference point, but MSI did make a passively cooled Celeron 847.

That should be a really good reference point, actually, as the 847 is also a 17W TDP processor. So they should be right in the same ballpark. :thumbsup:


Tiny BRIX with a fan, or a fanless Mini-ITX... tough decision! :hmm:

 

[cbn]

Being fanless would be a HUGE plus. I'm a bit skeptical, as it doesn't seem like it has enough ventilation... but maybe they run a heat pipe to the enclosure and use the whole thing as a heatsink?

You mean like a Silverstone PT14 (NUC enclosure)?:

or the passive cooled Celeron 1087U in post #156:

Yes......that does make a lot of sense to me considering the small size of the Qotom-T30.

I just wonder how much the unfluted aluminum on the Qotom-T30 would affect heat dissipation?

 

[nForce2]

The trouble I see though, is how do you mount it? The heatsink mounts with only two screws, in opposing corners, it is not a normal setup for sure.

Here's a larger picture of the motherboard:

It's a strange mounting if you wanted to keep the heatsink "square" to the edges of the motherboard... but since a straight line between the two holes will still center over the CPU, I think you should be OK with one of the aftermarket generic northbridge heatsinks. It would be rotated a few degrees, but as long as the appearance doesn't bother you, it should work. (Or, you can get the round one in the second picture). There seem to be a LOT of them out there - you would just need to measure the distance for the mounts. :thumbsup:


Examples (random Google results for "copper northbridge heatsink"):

 

[nForce2]

You mean like a Silverstone PT14 (NUC enclosure)?:

or the passive cooled Celeron 1087U in post #156:

Yes......that does make a lot of sense to me considering the small size of the Qotom-T30.

Yep, exactly like that. :thumbsup:

I just wonder how much the unfluted aluminum on the Qotom-T30 would affect heat dissipation?

I've been thinking about that too. I think even as just a flat plate of aluminum, it would still be able to conduct quite a bit of heat away from the CPU just because of its mass and size. So maybe the case would get warm, but overall it would be OK? :hmm:

If we look at the heatsink on 86waterpumper's Foxconn, it's a *tiny* heatsink.. short, and not very big either. I'm sure there is more surface area on the top or bottom of the Qotom-T30 case than on that heatsink...

 

[fade2blac]

I ran netflix to test cpu usage. Standard def. netflix came in at around 35 percent, same as 1080p youtube, but hd netflix surprised me. This came in
between 65 and 75 percent! Don't get me wrong it handled it, there was no lagging or jerking or anything but I am going to tell you right now, this cpu is the least you would want to run netflix or use as a htpc, etc. Funny enough, the e-350 will run regular def. netflix fairly well, (with cpu at 99 percent). The only explanation I can give is that maybe silverlight can somehow use the e-350 igp?

If you are watching Netflix on a Windows 8 machine, I highly suggest you try using the Metro app for Netflix instead of using Silverlight through your web browser. My E-350 machine can play the highest bitrate Netflix steams without issue using the Metro app but it would choke if I tried that in a web browser. Silverlight needs to be retired. :'(

Check out this AnandTech review to see how the power usage of their system went from ~50W down to ~35W just by switching to the Netflix app under Windows 8.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6674/...an-ivy-bridge-htpc-windows-8-madvr-and-more/3

FYI, for wattage comparison I have one of the Biostar 847 ITX boards in my NAS/Media Server running 2x4GB DDR3-1333, 1 SSD, 4 HDDs, 1 PCIE USB3 card, and 3 case fans @5V which together idles @ ~20W (I may have to re-check that number) at the wall measured by my Kill-a-Watt once all the drives spin down. I am powering it using a SeaSonic SS-300ET (300W 80 Plus Bronze).

On different note, I am curious how the new Avoton (eg. Atom C2550) processors will compare. I think the Celeron 1037U would be better single-threaded performance but with half as many cores it will likely have a bit less overall throughput. Also, something tells me the Avoton products will be in a much higher price range. :hmm:

http://www.asrock.com/server/overview.asp?Model=C2550D4I

 

[86waterpumper]

Thanks for the power comparision! Antec should have done a little bit better on these power supplies...where efficiency is concerned. If you were running a socket type system with a pentium or i3 and a 7750 gpu it wouldn't matter as much. There seems to be no good power supplies though anywhere much below 300-400 watts?

That avoton board you showed the pic of is going to cost quite a bit I would think I see a whole bunch of sata ports, and four dimm slots they won't be giving that away haha.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

sitting idle at windows 8 desktop 28.8 watts.
playing a 1080p youtube video 37.0 watts (worst case)
prime 95 blend torture test 40.0 watts (worst case)

I must admit, I'm not impressed by those numbers. I think you should take a serious look at that PSU you're using, because 37W during 1080p youtube decoding is a lot for an embedded board. No really, my 6800K only uses ~28W for that, and I simply can't think the 1037 being that inefficient.

Similarly my Celeron G1610 only uses ~22W for 1080p youtube decoding.

 

[nForce2]

I must admit, I'm not impressed by those numbers.

It should also be interesting to see how the 1037U BRIX GB-XM14-1037 performs in terms of power consumption, as the more powerful BRIX with the i5-3337U (GB-XM11-3337) idles at just 12W. Both are 17W TDP processors.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_brix_xm11_3337,6.html

http://www.legionhardware.com/images/review/Gigabyte_Brix_XM11-3337/Power.png

 

[nForce2]

If this was my rig I would get rid of the psu and fan too...not worth the money or trouble in this case, but I like systems to be quieter more and more these days haha. I have to admit also it would be sort of a pain because the optical drive I am using takes the smaller six pin sata power plug which the antec supply had, and most pico wiring hookups I have seen do not have this provided. I am sure there is some adapter though...

Just a heads-up, there are quite a few cheap PicoPSUs on ebay if you're OK with used parts. There's some 80W units for <$20 shipped, and there's one right now that's an 80W with a power brick for $24 shipped. :thumbsup:

 

[86waterpumper]

Well I am not impressed by the idle number or 1080p number either, but I am not surprised. I never set some high end goal for this on power consumption or obviously I would be using a pico and a passive heatsink etc. I am just building my parent's a system on a budget. Currently they run a very old athlon xp tower system with a crt 19 inch monitor...I already knew going in that the psu was very ineffecient and said that on the frontend. Really the only really meaningful power test I can give people is the diff. in this system and a e-350 because I have access to both, with the exact same configurations except for the motherboards/ cpu.

With that being said, I find it hard as heck to believe that a whole 6800k system uses 28 watts to decode 1080p video. Perhaps the cpu itself only takes that, but I am not giving those numbers it is for the whole system so we need to compare apples to apples. I can get the numbers for just the cpu power usage though without a issue. Heck even my 2720qm in my 4600 dell at work takes up to 33 watts for just the cpu for 1080p and that is a mobile cpu. :\ Also any computer jumps around during 1080p playback on the watt consumption and as I said I was giving worst case. For instance my 2720qm went as high as 33 watts but at other times it might show 29 etc.

If I was keeping this system I would have a pico in it, there is no doubt. I have a hardline budget, and this system needs to be reliable and is going to be sitting in another state, so unfortunately the crappy idle consumption is what it is and used parts really wouldn't cut it. This system won't be left on all the time or run for long periods. They just wanted something to check email on buy things online with etc and hated the idea of a laptop/ tablet. I can't really blame them because they need a fairly large screen to look at, not some 11 or 13 inch laptop screen and really any 17" laptop would be way overkill on cost and cpu specs. Now eventually down the line, I may build a more powerful itx system and swap cases with them or something..

Oh btw nforce I have updated the folder I had the foxconn pics in with the bios shots you wanted hope those help. The intelligent stepping portion only had one item "spread spectrum" so I didn't take a shot of it.


http://www.fototime.com/inv/5C24F45B1853E57

 

[nForce2]

I never set some high end goal for this on power consumption or obviously I would be using a pico and a passive heatsink etc. I am just building my parent's a system on a budget. Currently they run a very old athlon xp tower system with a crt 19 inch monitor...I already knew going in that the psu was very ineffecient and said that on the frontend.

No problem, just tossing out ideas and thinking out loud about power options since myself (and others I'm sure) are trying to decide what to buy next. :thumbsup:

Coming from an Athlon XP, this should already be a pretty substantial power reduction for your parents. :thumbsup:

Oh btw nforce I have updated the folder I had the foxconn pics in with the bios shots you wanted hope those help.
http://www.fototime.com/inv/5C24F45B1853E57

Thanks! It doesn't look like there is much that you can change in the CPU Configuration section... :|

What's under the "Fox Intelligent Stepping" option? Are there any overclock/underclock controls in that part?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

With that being said, I find it hard as heck to believe that a whole 6800k system uses 28 watts to decode 1080p video.

Me too. I thought the power meter was bad (or giving false readings), but after trying two different + multimeter, I can say with confidence that those readings are correct. Idle on desktop is 21-22W. 1080p decoding hovers around 28W, never breaking 30W. Bluray playback from (external) drive is slightly more at 35W. No undervolting or other "funny business".

The system is a 6800K, a Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI, 8GB 2133MHz RAM (or was when I measured, long story :\), a Samsung 830 and the PSU a Corsair CX430M. OS is Win8.

BTW, those readings are a the wall and is therefore including PSU inefficiency. I'm running on 230V (actually 238V input, another, and bloody annoying, long story).

I also have a brick powered XPbox (pun intended), with an ASUS C60M1-I. It idles at 12W, full load is 19W.

 

[piasabird]

Amazon.com

They seem to have it all.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...keywords=1037u

 

[86waterpumper]

no nothing cool just spread spectrum. I don't think there is much on the cpu you can do. Maybe some boards will let you play with the memory speed some?



Well insert all I can say is that you have the golden 6800k :biggrin: Out of about 10 reviews I have read on the 6800k only one tester was able to get under mid 30s on idle, and hd playback was in the mid 50s to mid 60s. I guess either you have a awesome one off power supply with high effic. compared to the other models like it or the board is undervolting the cpu on it's own because that is ridiculous low wattage for such a system. But the kill a watt is not always super accurate, and really the only thing that impressed me about mine was the load wattage. I guess I am used to power hogs I have never had a system that topped out at 40 watts under prime 95 regardless of what psu I used.

My parents have a led monitor now with this system that will save them tons of power compared to what their old rig used, but I agree...alot of room for improvement. Who knows I am sure down the road I will tinker with it more and improve the psu. I sort of dreaded buying this case, because I knew the psu sucked is the truth of the matter. But...when I saw it on sale for 60 some bucks shipped it was hard to resist. A new pico with the sata power adapter I would have needed would have cost that on it's own.