Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[nForce2]

I will run super Pi 1m tonight on my parents 1037u and report back on the results.

Awesome, thanks! :thumbsup:

 

[AkumaX]

Here's my "contribution"

Although not the Celeron 1037U (1.8GHz Ivy), this Celeron 1007U (1.5GHz Ivy) comes with 2GB DDR3.
And 320GB HDD.
And a built-in SD card reader.
And a built-in keyboard/trackpad.
And a removable 3000mAh battery.
And a 11.6" screen.
Wait a sec..

Yes, its a borderline "netbook"!

For $200!!

Has 1 x USB 3.0 and 2 x USB 2.0's, hook up w/ wireless KB/mouse and attach to back of TV via HDMI out?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834231118

edit: if you're having trouble w/ AT's redirect, here's the item # on newegg: N82E16834231118

 

[86waterpumper]

I am not sure who did that testing, but they seem to be idiots or else something was really gimped about their hardware or setup... My test ties very closely with the result from the laptop that nforce found. 21.517 on super pi. The a5200 is a inferior product to the 1037u and 1007u in cpu power it is just as simple as that, is anyone really surprised? I am sure a 847 celeron is better...

Now I am going to try to run that 3dmark test if I get time tonight. Got stupid squirrels in the attic...maybe I can run it between boxing rounds with them

Akumax that netbook is a whole heck of alot of hardware for the price. I wish you had not posted that, it makes me want to snag it! That would be a good christmas present for the girlfriend

 

[cbn]

Here's my "contribution"

Although not the Celeron 1037U (1.8GHz Ivy), this Celeron 1007U (1.5GHz Ivy) comes with 2GB DDR3.
And 320GB HDD.
And a built-in SD card reader.
And a built-in keyboard/trackpad.
And a removable 3000mAh battery.
And a 11.6" screen.
Wait a sec..

Yes, its a borderline "netbook"!

For $200!!

Has 1 x USB 3.0 and 2 x USB 2.0's, hook up w/ wireless KB/mouse and attach to back of TV via HDMI out?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834231118

edit: if you're having trouble w/ AT's redirect, here's the item # on newegg: N82E16834231118

Awesome deal!! (It even has usb 3.0) A Chromebook killer for certain.

 

[AkumaX]

Akumax that netbook is a whole heck of alot of hardware for the price. I wish you had not posted that, it makes me want to snag it! That would be a good christmas present for the girlfriend

I posted it because I "want" it! Do I "need" it? Dunno...

Awesome deal!! (It even has usb 3.0) A Chromebook killer for certain.

Seriously, underrated power! Swap in an SSD, maybe upgrade to 4GB (8GB?)
And this powerhouse is GOOD TO GO!

Oh man somebody hide my wallet...

 

[VirtualLarry]

I posted it because I "want" it! Do I "need" it? Dunno...



Seriously, underrated power! Swap in an SSD, maybe upgrade to 4GB (8GB?)
And this powerhouse is GOOD TO GO!

Oh man somebody hide my wallet...

I wouldn't count on upgrading an Asus laptop that easy. I have / had an X401A 14", and you have to remove the keyboard and motherboard just to get at the hard drive and RAM. Asus has been designing their laptops to be NON-upgradable by normal users.

Acer, on the other hand... on both my Aspire One, and Aspire V5, remove ONE screw, slide the back panel off, and everything is nice and user-accessable.

Edit: Ordered one, here's hoping that I can upgrade the RAM and throw in an SSD.

Edit: NON-REMOVABLE BATTERY! UGH!

(RAM is apparently soldered in too. The back panel doesn't have any access panels on it, and there is no removable battery section, I didn't have to install the battery to prepare the laptop for booting.)

 

[cbn]

I wouldn't count on upgrading an Asus laptop that easy. I have / had an X401A 14", and you have to remove the keyboard and motherboard just to get at the hard drive and RAM. Asus has been designing their laptops to be NON-upgradable by normal users.

Acer, on the other hand... on both my Aspire One, and Aspire V5, remove ONE screw, slide the back panel off, and everything is nice and user-accessable.

I just wonder if ASUS have the following problem if we swap out the 320GB HDD for a SSD :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2347170

 

[86waterpumper]

Yeah but even without the upgrades, as is this thing kicks a atom or e-350 type netbook all over the map and it's the same price Newegg charges 10 percent tax for me, that is the excuse I need to behave and not buy it lol but I agree that it is a very good deal.

 

[nForce2]

Awesome deal for sure, but take note that it ships with Ubuntu as the operating system, not Windows. So if you want a Windows machine and don't already have a copy, add $100 to the price.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Hmmm… yeah, sort of want.

 

[cbn]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138368

Price on the Biostar Celeron 847 just dropped to $64.99 with free shipping.

That is not quite as good as the free 8GB deal I was expecting, but it is a move in the right direction.

Update:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138368

The Biostar Celeron 847 now carries a 15% discount code. (ends 11/4) This brings price to ~$55 with free shipping.

 

[SinceCCF]

Update:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138368

The Biostar Celeron 847 now carries a 15% discount code. (ends 11/4) This brings price to ~$55 with free shipping.

Yeah, this smells like 1037u is on the horizon finally

 

[cbn]

Yeah, this smells like 1037u is on the horizon finally

Is there anyway we can tell how many are left in stock? (EDIT: I Just checked by adding 100 to my cart. ...Newegg shows 25 left)

P.S. For those wanting to run Ubuntu, please remember to disable both RC6 options in the BIOS--> http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35396009&postcount=24 (Other than the RC6 issue, this appears to be a decent board according to reviews.)

 

[nForce2]

Update:The Biostar Celeron 847 now carries a 15% discount code. (ends 11/4) This brings price to ~$55 with free shipping.

Yeah, this smells like 1037u is on the horizon finally

Is there anyway we can tell how many are left in stock? (EDIT: I Just checked by adding 100 to my cart. ...Newegg shows 25 left)

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

They were at 112 a month ago, so they either returned some stock or they're selling pretty quickly now! 11/4 is next Monday - if they sell enough, could the Biostar come as soon as next week? Any bets?

It also looks like Newegg has far fewer 847 motherboards in general. I never wrote down which ones they had, but I remembered seeing a page of them. Now, it's just a few.

 

[nForce2]

I am not sure who did that testing, but they seem to be idiots or else something was really gimped about their hardware or setup... My test ties very closely with the result from the laptop that nforce found. 21.517 on super pi. The a5200 is a inferior product to the 1037u and 1007u in cpu power it is just as simple as that, is anyone really surprised? I am sure a 847 celeron is better...

Thanks for the confirmation. :thumbsup:

I wouldn't imagine that BOTH the Biostar NM70I-1037U and the ECS NM70-I2 review motherboards had hardware faults, so I would bet that there was some sort of issue with Overclockers Tech's test setup. OS, drivers, background tasks, etc. I have no idea, but your result definitely proves that something was wrong on their end. :thumbsup:

 

[cbn]

It also looks like Newegg has far fewer 847 motherboards in general. I never wrote down which ones they had, but I remembered seeing a page of them. Now, it's just a few.

Just three Celeron 847 (One Biostar and two ASUS) left. (the Gigabyte Celeron 847 is gone)

But in general, I am noticing "Newegg Embedded Solution" has a lot of old processors. In the under $100 category I count the following x86 boards:

Celeron 1037: 1
Celeron 1007: 1
Celeron 847: 3
AMD Bobcat: 4
AMD Jaguar: 1
Intel Cedar Trail (Atom):3
VIA: 1

Talk about ancient!! (With the exception of Jaguar, none of those are the current cpu models)

This, in contrast, to Gigabyte Brix which I am under the impression has Haswell Celeron 2955U very close to launch. ---> http://www.gigabyte.us/microsite/342/images/models.html

 

[nForce2]

This, in contrast, to Gigabyte Brix which I am under the impression has Haswell Celeron 2955U very close to launch. ---> http://www.gigabyte.us/microsite/342/images/models.html

Yeah, it would be tempting to wait - that generation of BRIX fixes most of my complaints of the first (doubling the number of USB ports, adding USB 3.0, and adding an internal sound card). But of the earlier BRIX PCs, the 1037U Celeron version was actually the last one to become available. So if that order is repeated, it could be quite a while before the 2955U BRIX is available for purchase. :|

I did some searches for the 2955U, and other Haswell Celerons like the 2980U, and beyond some ultrabooks, I can only find one motherboard that uses them - the Advantech AIMB-230 - and it is listed as "Preliminary":
http://www.advantech.com/products/AIMB-230/mod_FFC44172-FD42-46B1-A83A-7F46AE1C6D87.aspx
http://my.advantech.com/product/Model_Detail.aspx?model_no=AIMB-230


I also found a benchmark for the 2955U, and it appears to be slower than the 1037U.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+2955U+@+1.40GHz

I haven't read too much yet about the 2xxxU Celerons to know what to expect... but a bit slower for the CPU might be OK if the graphics are noticeably better, or if the power usage is lower.

 

[AkumaX]

Haha we're already talking about Haswell celerons? Make a new thread for that?

FYI unfortunately that Asus 1007u net book I posted has the 2GB DDR3 soldered on the board

also, for anyone who ordered, there's a 10% off laptop coupon - see if you can talk to CSR chat and retroactively apply the coupon!

FYI: There is a 10% off Laptops Coupon.
Apply Coupon Code: NAFSAVETENOCT30D at checkout.

for those who didn't there's only 40 minutes left to order it at that price...

 

[AkumaX]

I also found a benchmark for the 2955U, and it appears to be slower than the 1037U.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+2955U+@+1.40GHz

I haven't read too much yet about the 2xxxU Celerons to know what to expect... but a bit slower for the CPU might be OK if the graphics are noticeably better, or if the power usage is lower.

Integrated gfx probably better

However, comparing CPUmarks w/ clockspeed to the other processors here:

2955U @ 1.4GHz = 1566 CPUMarks = 1.118 Marks/MHz
1007U @ 1.5GHz = 1436 CPUMarks = 0.957 Marks/MHz
1037U @ 1.8GHz = 1728 CPUMarks = 0.960 Marks/MHz

So Haswell is roughly about 15% faster clock-for-clock over Ivy Bridge.... :awe:

 

[86waterpumper]

I also found a benchmark for the 2955U, and it appears to be slower than the 1037U.

I am not surprised, there is not enough ipc difference to overcome 400mhz of clockspeed. Why in the heck do they not release a 2.0ghz. It becomes more important since these chips do not have the turbo function. Intel is in a funny position now, because now that even the lowly celeron is capable of doing nearly all tasks that a normal user needs, then what is the point in buying a better chip if you are not interested in gaming or heavy virtualization etc? I think this is responsible for them keeping such a tight lid on cpu speed. The speeds have not scaled up at all over the last few generations of chips in general and the focus is all about power draw and graphics etc.

Last night I was transferring about six or seven gb of files between two different thumb drives, making a image of the entire os on a external hard drive as well as loading a few web pages and running a windows defender scan at the same time. Granted I could not have done this very well if I did not have a ssd, but this used something like 50 to 60 percent cpu on the celeron and the system was totally responsive. This much I/O on a e-350 would have crippled it and maxed out the cpu totally.

Sucks about the netbook having soldered on memory. So it does not even have a expansion slot??? It really does need at least 4gb. bummer. Did anyone here order one?

 

[cbn]

I haven't read too much yet about the 2xxxU Celerons to know what to expect... but a bit slower for the CPU might be OK if the graphics are noticeably better, or if the power usage is lower.

I haven't read much on Haswell Celeron either, but here are some improvements beyond the usb 3.0 that I found. (Some of which are general for Haswell.)

The iGPU is larger on Haswell Celeron (10EUs for 2955u/2980U vs 6EUs for 1037U).

Haswell supports 4K output through HDMI -->http://www.anandtech.com/show/7007/intels-haswell-an-htpc-perspective/7 rather than needing two display ports as with Ivy Bridge---> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6270/ivy-bridge-gets-4k-display-support-in-october

The 23.976 refresh rate works in Haswell---> http://www.anandtech.com/show/7007/intels-haswell-an-htpc-perspective/4

The idle power consumption is also lower in Haswell compared to Ivy Bridge. (Very useful for mobile, but I am not sure how useful for desktop)

 

[dave_the_nerd]

The idle power consumption is also lower in haswell compared to Ivy Bridge. (Very useful for mobile, but I am not sure how useful for desktop)

Home servers.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I am not surprised, there is not enough ipc difference to overcome 400mhz of clockspeed. Why in the heck do they not release a 2.0ghz. It becomes more important since these chips do not have the turbo function. Intel is in a funny position now, because now that even the lowly celeron is capable of doing nearly all tasks that a normal user needs, then what is the point in buying a better chip if you are not interested in gaming or heavy virtualization etc? I think this is responsible for them keeping such a tight lid on cpu speed. The speeds have not scaled up at all over the last few generations of chips in general and the focus is all about power draw and graphics etc.

I think you answered your own question. When CPU performance is good enough for most users, then a focus on efficiency and, the traditional weak point of Intel, graphics makes a lot of sense.

If you need more performance then an embedded board can provide, socketed ITX is a really good alternative. The lowest end socketed Celeron you can currently buy is clocked at 2.6GHz (quite a step up from the 1037) without a large penalty in power consumption. Also socketed Haswell Celerons are on the horizon and those should drive idle power down into embedded territory...

 

[AkumaX]

I think you answered your own question. When CPU performance is good enough for most users, then a focus on efficiency and, the traditional weak point of Intel, graphics makes a lot of sense.

If you need more performance then an embedded board can provide, socketed ITX is a really good alternative. The lowest end socketed Celeron you can currently buy is clocked at 2.6GHz (quite a step up from the 1037) without a large penalty in power consumption. Also socketed Haswell Celerons are on the horizon and those should drive idle power down into embedded territory...

Also, there was a Pentium G3220 (Haswell) on sale for $49.99. Tons of bang for buck!

 

[cbn]

Also, there was a Pentium G3220 (Haswell) on sale for $49.99. Tons of bang for buck!

That is the thing, the general purpose BGA boards should be cheaper than buying LGA Mini-ITX.

P.S. There was a time not so long ago I could buy a Foxconn H61 Mini-ITX for $45 or a ECS H61 Mini-ITX for $50. Throw in an entry level Celeron LGA 1155 processor for $43 and the we were looking at a total price of $88 to $93.

Fortunately, there have been sales which have brought BGA (specifically Celeron 847) Mini-ITX to levels well below that. Hopefully we will see the same thing with 1037U and 1007U in the coming year.