Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[nForce2]

Nope. For example, the Giada N70E-DR motherboard has the HM77 chipset.
(And with it, USB 3.0, mSATA, PCI Express x16 slot at x4, etc.)

Speaking of which... Newegg has now marked the 1037U Giada N70E-DR as DISCONTINUED.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813176015

I don't know how well they were selling, but it's sad to see this one go, as it was probably the highest-spec 1037U motherboard available in the US. :\

 

[Carson Dyle]

Yeah, I saw that too on Newegg. Giada ( giadatech.com ) shows the board as having a Celeron 1007U CPU.

http://www.giadatech.com/index.php?act=pShow&id=19

 

[nForce2]

Yep, a number of these motherboards mix and match the CPUs within the series to hit different price points or target markets. There was some confusion earlier when Newegg updated a different motherboard's specs with the 1037U CPU version, but kept the same listing (and reviews) from when they had shipped that same motherboard model with a slower CPU. (It was one of the ECS systems.)

If you're purchasing one of these motherboards and the CPU model isn't explicitly listed, be sure to ask first before placing the order.

 

[cbn]

Speaking of which... Newegg has now marked the 1037U Giada N70E-DR as DISCONTINUED.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813176015

I don't know how well they were selling, but it's sad to see this one go, as it was probably the highest-spec 1037U motherboard available in the US. :\

I have to wonder if that board is really discontinued. (re: I've seen Newegg put down discontinued before only to find the motherboard offered for sale again very soon afterward).

 

[cbn]

Here's my "contribution"

Although not the Celeron 1037U (1.8GHz Ivy), this Celeron 1007U (1.5GHz Ivy) comes with 2GB DDR3.
And 320GB HDD.
And a built-in SD card reader.
And a built-in keyboard/trackpad.
And a removable 3000mAh battery.
And a 11.6" screen.
Wait a sec..

Yes, its a borderline "netbook"!

For $200!!

Has 1 x USB 3.0 and 2 x USB 2.0's, hook up w/ wireless KB/mouse and attach to back of TV via HDMI out?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834231118

edit: if you're having trouble w/ AT's redirect, here's the item # on newegg: N82E16834231118

A very similar looking ASUS 1007U laptop:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/11-6-tou...rive/2032043.p

$234.99 with free shipping, but it has Window 8 and 4GB RAM.

 

[86waterpumper]

that giada board hasn't even been available for purchase long has it? What did they make 100 of them and stop? :\

 

[cbn]

that giada board hasn't even been available for purchase long has it? What did they make 100 of them and stop? :\

Not sure if the Giada NAS board it is really discontinued, but if it is maybe they will give us a 1047UE coupled to a c2xx chipset instead.

According to Intel Ark some of the C2xx chipsets are actually cheaper than the HM77 included on the Giada N70E-DR.

P.S. I'm not sure how much of an total upgrade C2xx chipset would be over HM77, but I do know it enables ECC with the 1047UE.

According to Newegg, an 8GB stick of ECC RAM starts at $84.99 FS --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...eId=1&name=8GB


....and a regular (non-ECC) 8 GB stick starts at $61.99 FS ---> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...eId=1&name=8GB

That is only a $23 difference, but the ECC RAM is highly recommended for the ZFS file system on FreeNAS.

 

[alangrift]

Have you tried eBay laptops with the motherboard.

 

[CuriousMike]

I posted a question about replacing my e5200 "htpc" here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2361140

Then I found this thread; that $66 ECS 1037u combo looks to be, computationally powerwise similar if not a tick better than the E5200... right?

And it seems to decode 1080p without a hitch? (Something my D525 couldn't do.)

 

[nagi603]

I posted a question about replacing my e5200 "htpc" here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2361140

Then I found this thread; that $66 ECS 1037u combo looks to be, computationally powerwise similar if not a tick better than the E5200... right?

And it seems to decode 1080p without a hitch? (Something my D525 couldn't do.)

Well, I'm not sure about the computation prowess, but the 1080p playback seems to work fine (with mpc-hc) as long as the video is DXVA-compatible. I haven't tried playing back non-DXVA h264 streams yet on my 1037u, so I can't comment on that.

 

[AkumaX]

A very similar looking ASUS 1007U laptop:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/11-6-tou...rive/2032043.p

$234.99 with free shipping, but it has Window 8 and 4GB RAM.

I picked this up on BF for $200 Going to install an SSD on it soon

 

[nForce2]

I just found an interesting build where someone used the 1037U Nano-ITX Qotom motherboard to convert a Commodore 64 into a PC. This is the first information I've seen (pictures, review, etc) of anyone using this motherboard.

http://c64mod.arekneubauer.com/

 

[nForce2]

Heads-Up: I'm not sure when this happened, but the DC3217BY NUC (i3 3217U) dropped in price to $183 on Newegg. This is only $13 more than the
GB-XM14-1037 BRIX (1037U, $170), and from the reviews, they are approximately equal in power consumption.

I'm going to pass on it myself, as this particular NUC would require too many add-ons to be practical for my needs (USB audio, USB ethernet and/or mPCIe WiFi, USB or mPCIe bluetooth, USB hub, USB or Thunderbolt HD enclosure, etc.), so the package cost would be quite high. :\

 

[cbn]

Heads-Up: I'm not sure when this happened, but the DC3217BY NUC (i3 3217U) dropped in price to $183 on Newegg. This is only $13 more than the
GB-XM14-1037 BRIX (1037U, $170), and from the reviews, they are approximately equal in power consumption.

I'm going to pass on it myself, as this particular NUC would require too many add-ons to be practical for my needs (USB audio, USB ethernet and/or mPCIe WiFi, USB or mPCIe bluetooth, USB hub, USB or Thunderbolt HD enclosure, etc.), so the package cost would be quite high. :\

I think I remember seeing that one on sale at Newegg starting sometime last week. It appears to be discounted at other retailers as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...140104011024:s ($182.99)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0093LINT2/...xtension-kb-20 ($169.79)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...FciIfgodQVoAJQ ($169.99)

P.S. This is the NUC that was observed to have problems with the SSD temps with heavy downloading under Wifi--> http://techreport.com/news/23944/intel-nuc-nicked-by-nic-heat-quirk

First, our own testing has convinced us that this issue is indeed thermal in nature. The system usually locks up somewhere before reaching the 5GB mark in a large network file transfer. However, we were able to eliminate the lock-ups, to the point where we succeeded in transfering over 40GB without issue, by doing either of two things: 1) removing the cover of the device, exposing the closely-sandwiched Wi-Fi NIC and SSD cards to open air, or 2) changing the system cooling policy in the BIOS to run the fan at 100% speed constantly.

The other NUC model, the DC3217IYE with Gigabit Ethernet rather than Thunderbolt, apparently isn't affected by this problem.

 

[nForce2]

P.S. This is the NUC that was observed to have problems with the SSD temps with heavy downloading under Wifi--> http://techreport.com/news/23944/intel-nuc-nicked-by-nic-heat-quirk

Ugh. Nope, definitely wouldn't fit the bill then.

Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[nForce2]

Another 1037U system, the Giada D310.

This looks like a mostly standard motherboard, but it has been stretched out a bit to accommodate more internal expansion - in particular, an internal 2.5" drive.

$120-130 on AliExpress.


http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Giada-D310-mini-pc-INTEL-CELERON-1037U/1145273789.html

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/A-Si...Intel-Celeron-Processor-1037U/1057347495.html



Lots of pictures at these three links:
http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/u57991545/lang/en/rc/yaucc

http://shang.chinabyte.com/dt/496/12668496.shtml

http://pc.zol.com.cn/383/3833382_all.html

From the looks of things, there is a LOT of extra vertical space in this case, due to the height being set by the rear I/O ports. The heatsink/fan are also the "Thin" form factor style. It looks like there would be plenty of space to swap the 2.5" drive for a 3.5"... or perhaps add a second (or even third?) 2.5" drive under the cover. For sure, a second 2.5" drive would fit on top of the first.

 

[nForce2]

I have to wonder if that board is really discontinued. (re: I've seen Newegg put down discontinued before only to find the motherboard offered for sale again very soon afterward).

that giada board hasn't even been available for purchase long has it? What did they make 100 of them and stop? :\

It's Back! (As an open-box item. )

$152.99, down from $179.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813176015R

Maybe they removed it because they were getting too many returns?
//edit: Newegg shows a quantity of 1 (yes, ONE) being available. So that might not be it...)

 

[cbn]

Ugh. Nope, definitely wouldn't fit the bill then.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Correction: I found out the problem was fixed with a higher fan speed in the BIOS --> http://techreport.com/news/24286/intel-tackles-nuc-heat-issues-with-fan-speed-tweak-ssd-fix

The BIOS, which I downloaded from Intel's public website, sets a default minimum fan speed of 30%, regardless of which fan profile the user chooses. That's a little higher than it was on our initial test system, and the system is perceptibly noisier, with a bit of a high-pitched whine when you put your ear right next to it. Still, the system is barely audible from two feet away. The end result isn't as ideal, acoustically, as our first review unit, but it's not bad, either.

Apparently there was also a problem with the pre-production 525 series SSD.

I should note that the overheating problem we encountered involved not just the heat from the Wi-Fi card but also its effect on the closely situated mSATA SSD, which in our review system was a pre-release version of the Intel 525 Series SSD, a product formally released just yesterday. We learned in a conversation with some Intel reps at CES that the NUC lockups were in fact the result of two problems coming together: too much heat in the NUC chassis and a defective thermal throttling mechanism in pre-production Intel 525 SSDs. Intel tells us the throttling mechanism has been corrected in production drives, so in the future, any overheating should merely cause the drive to slow down, not to lock up and become completely unresponsive until the system's power plug has been pulled.

P.S. The last part about the SSD drive slowing down (in an overheating situation) is rather interesting though. It makes me wonder if drive performance could be affected in fanless NUC chassis scenario?

 

[nForce2]

From the looks of things, there is a LOT of extra vertical space in this case, due to the height being set by the rear I/O ports. The heatsink/fan are also the "Thin" form factor style. It looks like there would be plenty of space to swap the 2.5" drive for a 3.5"... or perhaps add a second (or even third?) 2.5" drive under the cover. For sure, a second 2.5" drive would fit on top of the first.

Here is another photo of the D310 case, from the side. It looks like only about half of the case height is actually used, it's just those I/O connectors on the back that require the full height.

http://pc.zol.com.cn/402/4028394.html

 

[Namisecond]

Well, I'm not sure about the computation prowess, but the 1080p playback seems to work fine (with mpc-hc) as long as the video is DXVA-compatible. I haven't tried playing back non-DXVA h264 streams yet on my 1037u, so I can't comment on that.

The computational prowess actually is better than the C2D E5200 by quite a bit (According to passmark, 1400+ vs almost 2000) At 1080p, it plays most files on most video players pretty smoothly. On MPC-HC it ate everything I threw it without a hitch. Even the Disney landscape opening scene I use as a stress test. On VLC, it dropped a few frames here and there, about 1 out of 50 or so.

 

[Namisecond]

Damn that's sweet, now I'm going to have to look for an old C64 or 128 to mod!

 

[Namisecond]

Heads-Up: I'm not sure when this happened, but the DC3217BY NUC (i3 3217U) dropped in price to $183 on Newegg. This is only $13 more than the
GB-XM14-1037 BRIX (1037U, $170), and from the reviews, they are approximately equal in power consumption.

I'm going to pass on it myself, as this particular NUC would require too many add-ons to be practical for my needs (USB audio, USB ethernet and/or mPCIe WiFi, USB or mPCIe bluetooth, USB hub, USB or Thunderbolt HD enclosure, etc.), so the package cost would be quite high. :\

Thanks for the tip, but I'm going to have to pass on it as well. No ethernet and just not enough USB ports

 

[Carson Dyle]

Compared to, say, an Atom D2550, would a 1037U be expected to produce more or less heat? I ask because I see D2550 boards that have passive heat sinks, while all of the 1037U boards have fans.

 

[cbn]

Compared to, say, an Atom D2550, would a 1037U be expected to produce more or less heat? I ask because I see D2550 boards that have passive heat sinks, while all of the 1037U boards have fans.

1037U produces more heat.

1037U is a 17 watt processor --> http://ark.intel.com/products/71995/Intel-Celeron-Processor-1037U-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz?wapkw=1037u

D2550 is a 10 watt processor---> http://ark.intel.com/products/65470

 

[nForce2]

Compared to, say, an Atom D2550, would a 1037U be expected to produce more or less heat? I ask because I see D2550 boards that have passive heat sinks, while all of the 1037U boards have fans.

The answer is a huge "It Depends".


As Computer Bottleneck mentioned, the TDP sides definitively with the Atom D2550 being the lower power processor... or at least, it should!

However, we have seen some HUGE discrepancies between systems based on the chipsets used, the BIOS configurations, the power supply used, the other system components, etc, etc.

For example, the 1037U Gigabyte BRIX is reported to have an idle power usage as low as 9 watts. But I can also find D2550 reviews with very high system power consumption - such as 21 watts at idle for the Zotac D2550-ITX WiFi, and that is even with the D2550 system using a SSD and a small 60W PicoPSU!

https://tweakers.net/productreview/89133/gigabyte-brix-gb-xm12-3227.html
http://www.hartware.de/review_1587_6.html


So there is a great deal of variability....