Are brass knuckles really illegal for self defense?

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Legal or not...

That's from the state itself.

Not legal to conceal. Legal if you carry openly. Doesn't say anything about using it defensively.

I imagine if you ever used them in a defensive situation you'd be in a world of shit. Even if legal.

What, like I'm going to stand around an armed mugger and wait for the police after hitting him?

What criminal is going to press charges after I used it only to get away? Yeah, I can imagine some shit-storm scenarios but, for the scenario that it is most needed for, I doubt that is a concern.

Thanks a bunch. Reading it now.

if youre up against an armed mugger, youre better off just letting him get away. if you already have them on your hand and he gives you an easy open, take it and run. there is a very fine line between defending yourself and assault, even if youre defending your life. my friend served 10 years on that difference. he shot someone that was assaulting and getting ready to rape his girlfriend in a parking lot after the guy pulled a gun on him. the first shot was self defense, but the 5 after made it murder 3 i guess. he was in an adrenaline buzz from it, and the guy seemed to point the gun at him after he shot him the first time. judge didnt care and gave him 15 years, served 10 of it.

That's screwed up =/ A person who has been shot can still shoot back.

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: CZroe
I need something light-weight now that I am going to be riding a motorcycle.

Originally posted by: CZroe
lazy left eye makes me a bad distance estimator

Yikes.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Your logic is faulty to begin with. Don't carry brass knuckles. They could be useful to someone who really knew how to fight, and was choosey about who he was picking fights with, but not for anybody else. I'm no tough guy but if someone much smaller than me threw a punch with some brass knuckles, then its just escalated to hospital-type violence. You best believe that a criminal who's just either dodged a brass punch (most likely) or absorbed one to the shoulder is going to hand your ass to you or kill you for trying. How is this not fvcking obvious??? Are you 12? Been watching too much 24?

If you want protection then buy some pepper spray. There's no shame in protecting yourself no matter what your weapon, and that's about as effective as you're going to get if you're worried about muggers. If they're armed with a gun or knife, then just hand over your wallet and deal with it.

Rule of thumb: Once you escalate a fight with a weapon, you have to understand that one of you is going to be very hurt or die. If you pull out your stupid brass knuckles and end up curb-stomped for it, don't come looking for sympathy here. Just another idiot with a complex.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Legal or not...

That's from the state itself.

Not legal to conceal. Legal if you carry openly. Doesn't say anything about using it defensively.

I imagine if you ever used them in a defensive situation you'd be in a world of shit. Even if legal.

What, like I'm going to stand around an armed mugger and wait for the police after hitting him?

What criminal is going to press charges after I used it only to get away? Yeah, I can imagine some shit-storm scenarios but, for the scenario that it is most needed for, I doubt that is a concern.

Thanks a bunch. Reading it now.

if youre up against an armed mugger, youre better off just letting him get away. if you already have them on your hand and he gives you an easy open, take it and run. there is a very fine line between defending yourself and assault, even if youre defending your life. my friend served 10 years on that difference. he shot someone that was assaulting and getting ready to rape his girlfriend in a parking lot after the guy pulled a gun on him. the first shot was self defense, but the 5 after made it murder 3 i guess. he was in an adrenaline buzz from it, and the guy seemed to point the gun at him after he shot him the first time. judge didnt care and gave him 15 years, served 10 of it.

There has to be more to that story. What kind of priors did your friend have? If he had an assault or two on his record + shot the guy in the back as he was trying to flee, and had a shitty court-appointed attorney, then I could see it. Otherwise it sounds like Con-Air, which is utter fiction. In other words, if you tell me that he was a regular guy defending his gf from an armed rapist and got 10 years for it, I'll be very upset.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Legal or not...

That's from the state itself.

Not legal to conceal. Legal if you carry openly. Doesn't say anything about using it defensively.

I imagine if you ever used them in a defensive situation you'd be in a world of shit. Even if legal.

What, like I'm going to stand around an armed mugger and wait for the police after hitting him?

What criminal is going to press charges after I used it only to get away? Yeah, I can imagine some shit-storm scenarios but, for the scenario that it is most needed for, I doubt that is a concern.

Thanks a bunch. Reading it now.

if youre up against an armed mugger, youre better off just letting him get away. if you already have them on your hand and he gives you an easy open, take it and run. there is a very fine line between defending yourself and assault, even if youre defending your life. my friend served 10 years on that difference. he shot someone that was assaulting and getting ready to rape his girlfriend in a parking lot after the guy pulled a gun on him. the first shot was self defense, but the 5 after made it murder 3 i guess. he was in an adrenaline buzz from it, and the guy seemed to point the gun at him after he shot him the first time. judge didnt care and gave him 15 years, served 10 of it.

There has to be more to that story. What kind of priors did your friend have? If he had an assault or two on his record + shot the guy in the back as he was trying to flee, and had a shitty court-appointed attorney, then I could see it. Otherwise it sounds like Con-Air, which is utter fiction. In other words, if you tell me that he was a regular guy defending his gf from an armed rapist and got 10 years for it, I'll be very upset.

QFT, shens or details are left out.

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Legal or not...

That's from the state itself.

Not legal to conceal. Legal if you carry openly. Doesn't say anything about using it defensively.

I imagine if you ever used them in a defensive situation you'd be in a world of shit. Even if legal.

What, like I'm going to stand around an armed mugger and wait for the police after hitting him?

What criminal is going to press charges after I used it only to get away? Yeah, I can imagine some shit-storm scenarios but, for the scenario that it is most needed for, I doubt that is a concern.

Thanks a bunch. Reading it now.

if youre up against an armed mugger, youre better off just letting him get away. if you already have them on your hand and he gives you an easy open, take it and run. there is a very fine line between defending yourself and assault, even if youre defending your life. my friend served 10 years on that difference. he shot someone that was assaulting and getting ready to rape his girlfriend in a parking lot after the guy pulled a gun on him. the first shot was self defense, but the 5 after made it murder 3 i guess. he was in an adrenaline buzz from it, and the guy seemed to point the gun at him after he shot him the first time. judge didnt care and gave him 15 years, served 10 of it.

Yeah, if I was being attacked, I may be better off letting my attacker get away, which is why I'd count more on the "deterrent" aspect to reduce the likelyhood of that scenario happening at all. Sucks what happened to your friend, but it's better than dying from a gunshot or letting someone take an innocent life.

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage

Originally posted by: CZroe
I need something light-weight now that I am going to be riding a motorcycle.

Originally posted by: CZroe
lazy left eye makes me a bad distance estimator

Yikes.

My depth perception is fine. Would you rather me hit you with a tiny 250cc bike or a lunbering towncar? I haven't caused an accident in over 13 years of driving. I'm a bad distance estimator because one eye overpowering the other has always made it more trouble than it was worth to go through the reinforcment and refinement parts of trial & error guessing when it comes to feet, miles, yards, etc.

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Your logic is faulty to begin with. Don't carry brass knuckles. They could be useful to someone who really knew how to fight, and was choosey about who he was picking fights with, but not for anybody else. I'm no tough guy but if someone much smaller than me threw a punch with some brass knuckles, then its just escalated to hospital-type violence. You best believe that a criminal who's just either dodged a brass punch (most likely) or absorbed one to the shoulder is going to hand your ass to you or kill you for trying. How is this not fvcking obvious??? Are you 12? Been watching too much 24?

If you want protection then buy some pepper spray. There's no shame in protecting yourself no matter what your weapon, and that's about as effective as you're going to get if you're worried about muggers. If they're armed with a gun or knife, then just hand over your wallet and deal with it.

Rule of thumb: Once you escalate a fight with a weapon, you have to understand that one of you is going to be very hurt or die. If you pull out your stupid brass knuckles and end up curb-stomped for it, don't come looking for sympathy here. Just another idiot with a complex.

I can't throw a punch, which is why the deterrent aspect is so important and, should that not work, it can at least enhance what little bit of punch I can deliver. I never said that I would attack a mugger rather than give them what they want. I ONLY said that I would defend myself IF attacked. Any idiot knows that you don't risk your life over your wallet. Stop jumping to conclusions. Look at my last several threads: It's clear that I am an OCD worry-wart. Worried about dying on a motorcycle, worried about vehicle theft, worried about ATM muggings, and so on: This has nothing to do with a macho violence complex like you assume.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
You should be like every other ATOTer. Purchase like 5-6 handguns, and hide them on various parts of your body so you can easily grab one if you're ever assaulted.

you forgot the part where you're suppose to lay them out on your desk whenever you take a picture of your set up

 

[biggestmuff]

Brass knuckles? Who the hell do you think you are? 'Thug 3' from a Charles Bronson flick?

 

[0roo0roo]

well james bond just slipped his rolex over is fingers for a knuckle duster no?

 

[Mide]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Brass knuckles? Who the hell do you think you are? 'Thug 3' from a Charles Bronson flick?

lol nice

 

[Terabyte]

So I can't keep a baseball bat in my trunk just in case some crazy idiot decides to pick a fight with me? I'll only use it if the situation warrants it...

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Legal or not...

That's from the state itself.

Not legal to conceal. Legal if you carry openly. Doesn't say anything about using it defensively.

I imagine if you ever used them in a defensive situation you'd be in a world of shit. Even if legal.

What, like I'm going to stand around an armed mugger and wait for the police after hitting him?

What criminal is going to press charges after I used it only to get away? Yeah, I can imagine some shit-storm scenarios but, for the scenario that it is most needed for, I doubt that is a concern.

Thanks a bunch. Reading it now.

if youre up against an armed mugger, youre better off just letting him get away. if you already have them on your hand and he gives you an easy open, take it and run. there is a very fine line between defending yourself and assault, even if youre defending your life. my friend served 10 years on that difference. he shot someone that was assaulting and getting ready to rape his girlfriend in a parking lot after the guy pulled a gun on him. the first shot was self defense, but the 5 after made it murder 3 i guess. he was in an adrenaline buzz from it, and the guy seemed to point the gun at him after he shot him the first time. judge didnt care and gave him 15 years, served 10 of it.

That's screwed up =/ A person who has been shot can still shoot back.

1st: I agree with the other posters that there is more to this story.

2nd: You shoot to stop. 6 times does not stop someone any more than 3. Unless someone is wearing body armor there is no reason to ever shoot them more than 3 times in the body with a decent caliber (.380+).

 

[xSkyDrAx]

LOL @ the kid w/ 12 guns in his pants including that rifle lmao wtf

 

[thirtythree]

Diamond rings FTW.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Legal or not...

That's from the state itself.

Not legal to conceal. Legal if you carry openly. Doesn't say anything about using it defensively.

I imagine if you ever used them in a defensive situation you'd be in a world of shit. Even if legal.

can't carry knives in georgia? wtf..

 

[dbk]

I love it when William Regal uses them on WWE.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
You should be like every other ATOTer. Purchase like 5-6 handguns, and hide them on various parts of your body so you can easily grab one if you're ever assaulted.

If I wasn't at work I would find a video of a kid about 12 years old that has guns concealed on him. He pulls out a solid 10 different guns, including a rifle (or shotgun forget which).

edit: Found it

Yes, if you never have to move or sit down you can hide a lot of things on your person. I wonder how many people see that and think someone could actually walk around like that?

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: thepd7
2nd: You shoot to stop. 6 times does not stop someone any more than 3. Unless someone is wearing body armor there is no reason to ever shoot them more than 3 times in the body with a decent caliber (.380+).

There are numerous documented cases of individuals absorbing 10 or more 9mm rounds to the center mass and continuing to attack. Even when hit by something like a .357 Magnum in a vulnerable area it can take a person 60 seconds or more to bleed out, during which time it is not uncommon for the assailant to continue the attack. There is even a case where a person was sleeping, shot 5 times with a .357 Magnum, SAT UP and only died when the 6th shot hit him in the head.

Most of the time, 3 hits will be enough, or more than enough to end a threat, but there are so many variables that your statement claiming no more than 3 shots will ever be required is patently absurd.

Anyone depending on a handgun to completely stop a threat is an idiot. Sometimes it can, and it is definitely one more tool to tip the balance in your favor should the worst happen, but it is very, very far from being able to guarantee the stoppage of an attack, even with several shots on target.

ZV

 

[alkemyst]

This must be the reason thepd7 always accuses me of making stuff up...good thing he isn't a judge somewhere ruling on self-defense cases.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
You should be like every other ATOTer. Purchase like 5-6 handguns, and hide them on various parts of your body so you can easily grab one if you're ever assaulted.

If I wasn't at work I would find a video of a kid about 12 years old that has guns concealed on him. He pulls out a solid 10 different guns, including a rifle (or shotgun forget which).

edit: Found it

Yes, if you never have to move or sit down you can hide a lot of things on your person. I wonder how many people see that and think someone could actually walk around like that?

ZV

Yeah its not at all something you could walk around in, but it does illustrate a point quite well. The point it makes is you can conceal a LOT of weapons on your person. Definitely not 12 (especially with that rifle down your leg), but can do 6 without much trouble and be able to walk around still.

 

[Delita]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
You should be like every other ATOTer. Purchase like 5-6 handguns, and hide them on various parts of your body so you can easily grab one if you're ever assaulted.

If I wasn't at work I would find a video of a kid about 12 years old that has guns concealed on him. He pulls out a solid 10 different guns, including a rifle (or shotgun forget which).

edit: Found it

That is retarded. If the kid have moved at all it would have been extremely obvious he was carrying.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Yeah its not at all something you could walk around in, but it does illustrate a point quite well. The point it makes is you can conceal a LOT of weapons on your person. Definitely not 12 (especially with that rifle down your leg), but can do 6 without much trouble and be able to walk around still.

Yeah so let's not allow anyone to pick out their own style of dress for they may be a terrorist.

You will wear a skin tight government issued unitard and submit to hourly searches.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
You should be like every other ATOTer. Purchase like 5-6 handguns, and hide them on various parts of your body so you can easily grab one if you're ever assaulted.

If I wasn't at work I would find a video of a kid about 12 years old that has guns concealed on him. He pulls out a solid 10 different guns, including a rifle (or shotgun forget which).

edit: Found it

Yes, if you never have to move or sit down you can hide a lot of things on your person. I wonder how many people see that and think someone could actually walk around like that?

ZV

Yeah its not at all something you could walk around in, but it does illustrate a point quite well. The point it makes is you can conceal a LOT of weapons on your person. Definitely not 12 (especially with that rifle down your leg), but can do 6 without much trouble and be able to walk around still.

That reminds me of a scene from the movie Im gonna git you sucka!
Guy has like 20 guns concealed, winds up shooting himself when he moves. Funny movie.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Maximus96
punch them in the eye with keys between fingers.

i came in here to say that. old trick, but sucks for the other guy.

 

[Fritzo]

The are illegal to sell, because if you sell them, something like this might happen.