Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: eskimospy
We have to overhaul the system because it is the least efficient health care system on the planet. (or at least in the industrialized world) The uninsured are only one part of the overall catastrophe.

The liberals keep saying that hoping that if they say it enough people will start to believe it.
Why exactly do you think world leaders come from every corner of the earth to the USA for health care? Why do you think pregnant woman race across the border into hospitals? Why do you see people giving birth in the street in the rest of the "industrialized world" because the government wouldn't send an ambulance but you don't see that here?

Please, explain...

Because, we do have the best health care system, IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. (Hint: World Leaders do.)

Pregnant women race across the border, in order to have their child be born in the U.S., therefore making their kid a U.S. Citizen.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
single payer single payer single payer single payer

You volunteering?

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
FactCheck is a joke when it comes to Obama (Annenberg Foundation pays for FactCheck and they paid for Obama/Ayers)

GO look at the FactCheck page for Obama's speech calling for a civilian security force equal to military. They put a break between Obama's words to make them seem like 2 paragraphs when they were one;

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

http://www.factcheck.org/askfa...ma_planning_a_gestapo-

Compare to actual speech section
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

FactCheck lies intentionally

The Peace Corps is a 'gestapo-like' organization?

I can't quite read you, Barry... is it that you're just incredibly fucking stupid, or that you think we are? Serious question.

On my bad days I have more of a clue than you. It was obvious Obama was a radical before election and it's only become more obvious since. People like you are locked-up because you use Obama to play Jesus lepers in your head. You make Obama into something special (and he a headcase in reality) to siphon off identity for yourself - its like absolution via absorption. SO even when Obama turns into a pumpkin your still locked out of reality. Your life cant be going real well with that kind of mindset. Too many people here live in this place 24/7 and you be one.

Hold on; my cat wants to type a rebuttal.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...s_health_care_overhaul

I found it very funny and interesting that the democrat can actually think of even the idea of fining people for not buying health insurance. People are against it, Obama seems to be against the idea too, then how come these call so democrat can think of such insane idea? These are suppose to be our representative, yet they don't even represent a fraction of what people really want.

Well, hospitals are legally obligated to care for you so why should you get a free ride if you cannot afford healthcare or simply don't want to pay for it? If they weren't obligated to take care of everyone, I would have no problem with your assertion.

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: charrison
Maybe the dems should start talking about the 40 million in the US without insurance rather than the 50 million with out insurance as that number includes illegals. But I guess they have no interest in putting honest numbers up when talking about uninsured....

There's nothing honest about backpedaling from a blatant misrepresentation with a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't argument.

The proposed bill doesn't cover illegals. Period. As the Republicans want it. Fault it for what it does that you don't like, not make-believe bullshit.

But yet they continue to peddle coverage for the 50M in the US without health coverage and 10M of those are illegals.They are misrepresenting the numbers which include illegals and they wonder why people think it will cover illegals.

The CBO estimates of those uninsured only 10 to 15 million are uninsured not by choice. The remaining are either illegals or CHOOSE to not have health insurance.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4210

That boils down to ~3% the total population....Ya, sounds like we really have to overhaul the system....

We have to overhaul the system because it is the least efficient health care system on the planet. (or at least in the industrialized world) The uninsured are only one part of the overall catastrophe.

Could you possible give us uniformed a list of just what "efficient" ways this bill will reduce the cost of our current health care? How will we add 45-50 million to the current system and not induce additional cost without an increase in premiums or a reduction in service? Considering that the majority of the 45-50 million will not/can not afford it on their own?

This is everyones gripe with this proposed bill. It has nothing to do with left/right, black/white, dem/repub it all comes down to the prez and congress has done a complete shitty ass job of explaining there proposal beyond the "talking points" of we are going to ensure everyone.

I'm not a rocket scientist but I can look as the numbers above and figure out that somethings gotta give and it usually involves my wallet when it comes to government!

People fear change and they fear unknown change even worse. That is why you are seeing shouting and disgust at the town halls.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the only good thing that could come of the "mandatory healthcare" is the fact that the illegals would be unable to receive healthcare here, unless they fake that too

It's already been proven that HR3200 guarantees coverage for illegals.

link? Fact check says the exact opposite...
Text

From congressional research service
http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/

"H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the Exchange?whether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently. Nonetheless, only aliens who could be classified as resident aliens would be required under the bill to have health insurance."

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...s_health_care_overhaul

I found it very funny and interesting that the democrat can actually think of even the idea of fining people for not buying health insurance. People are against it, Obama seems to be against the idea too, then how come these call so democrat can think of such insane idea? These are suppose to be our representative, yet they don't even represent a fraction of what people really want.

Democrats have been taken over by the far left - hence all the communists popping out all over the place. Health-care is about power - which Dems have become wildly addicted to. They don't care about health but about taking over huge chunk of economy and getting into peoples lives with it. They would flush the Constitution down the toilet tomorrow if it would help them. They are flushing it down the toilet anyway. See see the signs of tyranny in Obama and Dems - this will get better worse it gets better.

Check out the gasbag Murtha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgUCdefSW8

Speaking of gasbags... ^^^^^^

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the only good thing that could come of the "mandatory healthcare" is the fact that the illegals would be unable to receive healthcare here, unless they fake that too

It's already been proven that HR3200 guarantees coverage for illegals.

link? Fact check says the exact opposite...
Text

FactCheck is a joke when it comes to Obama (Annenberg Foundation pays for FactCheck and they paid for Obama/Ayers)

GO look at the FactCheck page for Obama's speech calling for a civilian security force equal to military. They put a break between Obama's words to make them seem like 2 paragraphs when they were one;

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

http://www.factcheck.org/askfa...ma_planning_a_gestapo-
like_civilian_national.html

Compare to actual speech section
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

FactCheck lies intentionally

Speaking of liars... ^^^^^^^

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
FactCheck is a joke when it comes to Obama (Annenberg Foundation pays for FactCheck and they paid for Obama/Ayers)

GO look at the FactCheck page for Obama's speech calling for a civilian security force equal to military. They put a break between Obama's words to make them seem like 2 paragraphs when they were one;

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

http://www.factcheck.org/askfa...ma_planning_a_gestapo-

Compare to actual speech section
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

FactCheck lies intentionally

The Peace Corps is a 'gestapo-like' organization?

I can't quite read you, Barry... is it that you're just incredibly fucking stupid, or that you think we are? Serious question.

On my bad days I have more of a clue than you. It was obvious Obama was a radical before election and it's only become more obvious since. People like you are locked-up because you use Obama to play Jesus lepers in your head. You make Obama into something special (and he a headcase in reality) to siphon off identity for yourself - its like absolution via absorption. SO even when Obama turns into a pumpkin your still locked out of reality. Your life cant be going real well with that kind of mindset. Too many people here live in this place 24/7 and you be one.

Speaking of insane... ^^^^^^

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...s_health_care_overhaul

I found it very funny and interesting that the democrat can actually think of even the idea of fining people for not buying health insurance. People are against it, Obama seems to be against the idea too, then how come these call so democrat can think of such insane idea? These are suppose to be our representative, yet they don't even represent a fraction of what people really want.

Well, if you don't have health insurance and you have an accident/illness/whatever, you're not just going to die. You're going to get health care. The "fine" is really just an insurance premium that you were too ignorant to pay the right way.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
How is babby formed?

I loll'ed

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
the only good thing that could come of the "mandatory healthcare" is the fact that the illegals would be unable to receive healthcare here, unless they fake that too

It's already been proven that human decency guarantees coverage for illegals.

Fixed for you. We're not going to turn away human beings in need. Now, if you want to talk about them not paying their bills, then we can have a conversation on how to get them to contribute to their cost of care.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: charrison
Maybe the dems should start talking about the 40 million in the US without insurance rather than the 50 million with out insurance as that number includes illegals. But I guess they have no interest in putting honest numbers up when talking about uninsured....

There's nothing honest about backpedaling from a blatant misrepresentation with a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't argument.

The proposed bill doesn't cover illegals. Period. As the Republicans want it. Fault it for what it does that you don't like, not make-believe bullshit.

Demoncats voted down Heller Amendment to demand verification of citizenship for health-care consumers. Illegals aren't blocked from plan. The plans says nobody can be denied care because of external circumstances. If there are no checks against illegals its stupid to keep saying they aren't covered just because there isn't a line that says "illegals are covered". Puerile.

Do you propose to turn every doctor's office and hospital into an INS office?

Do you support cracking down on the real cause of illegal immigration: employers who give them work?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: charrison
Maybe the dems should start talking about the 40 million in the US without insurance rather than the 50 million with out insurance as that number includes illegals. But I guess they have no interest in putting honest numbers up when talking about uninsured....

There's nothing honest about backpedaling from a blatant misrepresentation with a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't argument.

The proposed bill doesn't cover illegals. Period. As the Republicans want it. Fault it for what it does that you don't like, not make-believe bullshit.

But yet they continue to peddle coverage for the 50M in the US without health coverage and 10M of those are illegals.They are misrepresenting the numbers which include illegals and they wonder why people think it will cover illegals.

The CBO estimates of those uninsured only 10 to 15 million are uninsured not by choice. The remaining are either illegals or CHOOSE to not have health insurance.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4210

That boils down to ~3% the total population....Ya, sounds like we really have to overhaul the system....

its not only about the uninsured, its also about the out of control cost our health system charges us. nobody should lose their house or file for bankruptcy due to medical cost. Nobody should be made to choose between a prescription refill and paying their utility bills.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: charrison
Maybe the dems should start talking about the 40 million in the US without insurance rather than the 50 million with out insurance as that number includes illegals. But I guess they have no interest in putting honest numbers up when talking about uninsured....

There's nothing honest about backpedaling from a blatant misrepresentation with a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't argument.

The proposed bill doesn't cover illegals. Period. As the Republicans want it. Fault it for what it does that you don't like, not make-believe bullshit.

Demoncats voted down Heller Amendment to demand verification of citizenship for health-care consumers. Illegals aren't blocked from plan. The plans says nobody can be denied care because of external circumstances. If there are no checks against illegals its stupid to keep saying they aren't covered just because there isn't a line that says "illegals are covered". Puerile.

Do you propose to turn every doctor's office and hospital into an INS office?

Do you support cracking down on the real cause of illegal immigration: employers who give them work?[/q]

the laws are on the books to totally jack up the employers who hire illegals. the real problem is getting the Feds to get out there and start laying down massive fines to said employers.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

hm.

Obama was born in Kenya and produced fake birth certificates.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama's speech to students was designed to indoctrinate them in liberal ideology.
Obama wants death panels for old people.
Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.
Obama wants to create a hitler youth.
Obama's disaster recover plans advocate concentration camps.


clearly, the dems are the party who have lost touch with reality.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

hm.

Obama was born in Kenya and produced fake birth certificates.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama's speech to students was designed to indoctrinate them in liberal ideology.
Obama wants death panels for old people.
Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.
Obama wants to create a hitler youth.
Obama's disaster recover plans advocate concentration camps.


clearly, the dems are the party who have lost touch with reality.

/thread

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

hm.

Obama was born in Kenya and produced fake birth certificates.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama's speech to students was designed to indoctrinate them in liberal ideology.
Obama wants death panels for old people.
Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.
Obama wants to create a hitler youth.
Obama's disaster recover plans advocate concentration camps.


clearly, the dems are the party who have lost touch with reality.

Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

Is that what I believe? Thanks for informing me. Apparently I was a conservative and didn't know it. Maybe the reason is that I don't believe those things. I guess I'd better get busy believing the things that Phokus says I should, now that he's informed me I'm a conservative.

Please, tell me what else I should believe. I don't feel I'm living up to my conservatism.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

hm.

Obama was born in Kenya and produced fake birth certificates.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama's speech to students was designed to indoctrinate them in liberal ideology.
Obama wants death panels for old people.
Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.
Obama wants to create a hitler youth.
Obama's disaster recover plans advocate concentration camps.


clearly, the dems are the party who have lost touch with reality.

Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

Come on, do people still seriously believe Saddam was involved with 9/11?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus
Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

Is that what I believe? Thanks for informing me. Apparently I was a conservative and didn't know it. Maybe the reason is that I don't believe those things. I guess I'd better get busy believing the things that Phokus says I should, now that he's informed me I'm a conservative.

Please, tell me what else I should believe. I don't feel I'm living up to my conservatism.

To be more precise, i informed you that you pretend to be 'not a conservative' when it's blatantly obvious that you are one (the most damning evidence is that you're dumb as shit)

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

hm.

Obama was born in Kenya and produced fake birth certificates.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama's speech to students was designed to indoctrinate them in liberal ideology.
Obama wants death panels for old people.
Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.
Obama wants to create a hitler youth.
Obama's disaster recover plans advocate concentration camps.


clearly, the dems are the party who have lost touch with reality.

Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

Come on, do people still seriously believe Saddam was involved with 9/11?

Last poll I saw on the subject was from around '06 or '07 and the number that believed it was like 60-70%. Can't remember the exact demographic though.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

hm.

Obama was born in Kenya and produced fake birth certificates.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama's speech to students was designed to indoctrinate them in liberal ideology.
Obama wants death panels for old people.
Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.
Obama wants to create a hitler youth.
Obama's disaster recover plans advocate concentration camps.


clearly, the dems are the party who have lost touch with reality.

Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

Come on, do people still seriously believe Saddam was involved with 9/11?

Original poll:

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineRepo...raqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf


This was taken back in 2004:

"A staggering 82 percent of respondents believed most experts supported the notion that Iraq was providing "substantial support" to al-Qaida -- a contention that President Bush himself has been forced to disavow."

http://www.seattlepi.com/natio...170469_iraqpoll24.html

Taken from 2005

http://www.harrisinteractive.c...poll/index.asp?PID=544

64 percent believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to Al Qaeda (up slightly from 62% in November).

47 percent believe that Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001 (up six percentage points from November).

44 percent actually believe that several of the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11 were Iraqis (up significantly from 37% in November).

36 percent believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded (down slightly from 38% in November).


Can't find anymore recent polls, but you can bet that there is still a significant number of morons (we'll call them 'republicans') in this country who believe some of this nonsense

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Phokus
Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

Is that what I believe? Thanks for informing me. Apparently I was a conservative and didn't know it. Maybe the reason is that I don't believe those things. I guess I'd better get busy believing the things that Phokus says I should, now that he's informed me I'm a conservative.

Please, tell me what else I should believe. I don't feel I'm living up to my conservatism.

To be more precise, i informed you that you pretend to be 'not a conservative' when it's blatantly obvious that you are one (the most damning evidence is that you're dumb as shit)

If being "dumb as shit" is all it takes to be a conservative, you should have had a top spot in the Bush administration, fucktard.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Are democrat so out of touch with reality?

hm.

Obama was born in Kenya and produced fake birth certificates.
Obama is a muslim.
Obama's speech to students was designed to indoctrinate them in liberal ideology.
Obama wants death panels for old people.
Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergartners.
Obama wants to create a hitler youth.
Obama's disaster recover plans advocate concentration camps.


clearly, the dems are the party who have lost touch with reality.

Conservatives also believe evolution is a fraud and creationism should actually be taught in schools. Do fox news viewers still think Saddam was involved in 9/11? This thread is hilarious.

Come on, do people still seriously believe Saddam was involved with 9/11?

Original poll:

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineRepo...raqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf


This was taken back in 2004:

"A staggering 82 percent of respondents believed most experts supported the notion that Iraq was providing "substantial support" to al-Qaida -- a contention that President Bush himself has been forced to disavow."

http://www.seattlepi.com/natio...170469_iraqpoll24.html

Taken from 2005

http://www.harrisinteractive.c...poll/index.asp?PID=544

64 percent believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to Al Qaeda (up slightly from 62% in November).

47 percent believe that Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001 (up six percentage points from November).

44 percent actually believe that several of the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11 were Iraqis (up significantly from 37% in November).

36 percent believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded (down slightly from 38% in November).


Can't find anymore recent polls, but you can bet that there is still a significant number of morons (we'll call them 'republicans') in this country who believe some of this nonsense

Why the name calling? Seriously, both parties have ignorant people who believe ridiculous things.