Are democrats really better than conservatives?

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Lifer
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  • Foreign Policy: Pro War VS Anti War.
  • Trade: Pro TPP VS Anti TPP.
  • Healthcare: ACA VS Medicare for All.
  • Wall Street: Friendly VS Adversarial.
  • Thematic Message: Identity VS Economic.
I beg to differ on the differences being immaterial or ridiculous to fight for. There's a big difference between our current system and the universal safety net this country requires. Small tweaks to the status quo won't draw in the hope for change voters. It won't help them enough to provide economic security, leaving them vulnerable to Trumpsters.

When trickle down ends the GOP, those differences will be the gap between the next Conservative Party and Progressives.

Anyways, as you ask "Are Democrats better?" We might want to know which Democrats you're asking for. Blue Dogs? Progressives? The Wall Street backed leadership? My point was that there is a variety and breadth to to term Democrat. And of course someone on the "Left" is going to say Democrats are better. But the answer is without nuance, as is the question you posed.

I didn't really follow Hillary vs Sanders. I can believe that Sanders would have run into trouble once exposed to the full blast of the Republican hate-machine, as it is true that Hillary had already had everything that could be thrown at her, thrown at her, so that seems to me to be one point at least in her favour.

And I did implore an American friend who considered voting third-party to not do so, given how appalling Trump looked to be.

But there's no way I was ever going to feel particularly enthusiastic about Hillary's foreign policy, as a foreigner, given her track record. 'Hawk' seems to be the new word for what used to be called 'imperialist'.
 
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/Hands you your personalized antifa kit: Molotov cocktail maker, pepper spray, rocks, soda cans filled with cement, baseball bat.

Go get 'em, tiger! Beat the sh*t out of anyone that dares to disagree with you then pat yourself on the back for your moral superiority.

NOTE: I'll be adding the following to my sig -

'If we adopt the ways of the Nazis, doesn't that make us as bad as the Nazis?' - Star Trek, TOS: episode "Patterns of Force"

Get back to us when Antifa starts calling for throwing people in ovens.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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These are pretty good instances of clever conservative political strategy previously mentioned:

  • Foreign Policy: Pro War VS Anti War.
  • Trade: Pro TPP VS Anti TPP.
  • Healthcare: ACA VS Medicare for All.
  • Wall Street: Friendly VS Adversarial.
  • Thematic Message: Identity VS Economic.
I beg to differ on the differences being immaterial or ridiculous to fight for. There's a big difference between our current system and the universal safety net this country requires. Small tweaks to the status quo won't draw in the hope for change voters. It won't help them enough to provide economic security, leaving them vulnerable to Trumpsters.

When trickle down ends the GOP, those differences will be the gap between the next Conservative Party and Progressives.

Anyways, as you ask "Are Democrats better?" We might want to know which Democrats you're asking for. Blue Dogs? Progressives? The Wall Street backed leadership? My point was that there is a variety and breadth to to term Democrat. And of course someone on the "Left" is going to say Democrats are better. But the answer is without nuance, as is the question you posed.

Sewing discord within D party ranks by hyping up the candidate behind in the primaries.

I think its pretty clear violence is the answer. Violence is how all the bigly people do things.

Or what nazis & friends preach before they strike.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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These are pretty good instances of clever conservative political strategy previously mentioned:



Sewing discord within D party ranks by hyping up the candidate behind in the primaries.



Or what nazis & friends preach before they strike.

You are correct. Nazis and friends advocate for violence, so you better kill them before they kill you right?
 

agent00f

Lifer
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You are correct. Nazis and friends advocate for violence, so you better kill them before they kill you right?

Seems obvious whether the world would've been far better off had something been done about the nazis prior to their ascension. Also obvious which side of that argument nazis & friends are on.

I think a key difference between democrats and conservatives is that many of the former will understand this while nearly all of the latter will forever play too dumb to.
 

Younigue

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You are correct. Nazis and friends advocate for violence, so you better kill them before they kill you right?
They advocate violence, hate, destroying entire races and religions.Are you truly confused about why they must be stopped?
 

realibrad

Lifer
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Seems obvious whether the world would've been far better off had something been done about the nazis prior to their ascension. Also obvious which side of that argument nazis & friends are on.

Did you just advocate for non-violence? Wow, that is a new trick for you.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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They advocate violence, hate, destroying entire races or religions.Are you truly confused about why they must be stopped?

Its sad that you think the only way to stop them is with their methods. Hopefully not everyone is as far gone.
 

Younigue

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Its sad that you think the only way to stop them is with their methods. Hopefully not everyone is as far gone.
Look at my post history of you believe I advocate violence. I do not... Hence the reason I said "stopped", not beaten or killed.

But I'm sorry you're sad.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Look at my post history of you believe I advocate violence. I do not... Hence the reason I said "stopped", not beaten or killed.

But I'm sorry you're sad.

Just a heads up that conservatives are prone to channeling buckshot.
 

Jhhnn

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  • Foreign Policy: Pro War VS Anti War.
  • Trade: Pro TPP VS Anti TPP.
  • Healthcare: ACA VS Medicare for All.
  • Wall Street: Friendly VS Adversarial.
  • Thematic Message: Identity VS Economic.
I beg to differ on the differences being immaterial or ridiculous to fight for. There's a big difference between our current system and the universal safety net this country requires. Small tweaks to the status quo won't draw in the hope for change voters. It won't help them enough to provide economic security, leaving them vulnerable to Trumpsters.

When trickle down ends the GOP, those differences will be the gap between the next Conservative Party and Progressives.

Anyways, as you ask "Are Democrats better?" We might want to know which Democrats you're asking for. Blue Dogs? Progressives? The Wall Street backed leadership? My point was that there is a variety and breadth to to term Democrat. And of course someone on the "Left" is going to say Democrats are better. But the answer is without nuance, as is the question you posed.

Nice bit of framing, I'll grant you that, even if it's not really very accurate. OTOH, there's really no part of any of that that's worse than Republicans, is there?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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These are pretty good instances of clever conservative political strategy previously mentioned:

Sewing discord within D party ranks by hyping up the candidate behind in the primaries.

Salon.com, conservative bastion sewing discord within D party ranks?
Maybe you have a point to ask if Democrats are better, given the vitriol surrounding identity politics. When the term "chasing the great white male" is tossed around, that sort of racist division has no place among the enlightened - as you'd say, yet there it is. Those are the regressive tendencies I pointed to in my first post. There are dangerous consequences when involved in identity politics, in division as opposed to providing a positive and uplifting message. Of providing unity through hope and change.

President Obama showed the way forward, but that incredible message from 2008 has been discarded for something repugnant.
Democrats are better, but they also need to hope again, and push forward with open arms for all who will follow us unto the breach.

We don't need more of this.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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Look at my post history of you believe I advocate violence. I do not... Hence the reason I said "stopped", not beaten or killed.

But I'm sorry you're sad.

So then tell me, if I said violence it's not the answer, and you think violence is not the only option, then why did you question if I wanted to stop them? Strange question to ask me on context.
 

Younigue

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So then tell me, if I said violence it's not the answer, and you think violence is not the only option, then why did you question if I wanted to stop them? Strange question to ask me on context.
Because the distinct difference between the two sides is that the hate groups advocate a whole hell of a lot more than just simply violence...

I may have confused you with another poster. ... *shrug*
 

dank69

Lifer
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Salon.com, conservative bastion sewing discord within D party ranks?
Maybe you have a point to ask if Democrats are better, given the vitriol surrounding identity politics. When the term "chasing the great white male" is tossed around, that sort of racist division has no place among the enlightened - as you'd say, yet there it is. Those are the regressive tendencies I pointed to in my first post. There are dangerous consequences when involved in identity politics, in division as opposed to providing a positive and uplifting message. Of providing unity through hope and change.

President Obama showed the way forward, but that incredible message from 2008 has been discarded for something repugnant.
Democrats are better, but they also need to hope again, and push forward with open arms for all who will follow us unto the breach.

We don't need more of this.
Every liberal author promoting the idea that Bernie was better than Hillary after Hillary won the primary is squarely in the dumbshit category and every bit as much to blame for Trump as any other degenerate pulling the lever for him.
 

dank69

Lifer
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/Hands you your personalized antifa kit: Molotov cocktail maker, pepper spray, rocks, soda cans filled with cement, baseball bat.

Go get 'em, tiger! Beat the sh*t out of anyone that dares to disagree with you then pat yourself on the back for your moral superiority.

NOTE: I'll be adding the following to my sig -

'If we adopt the ways of the Nazis, doesn't that make us as bad as the Nazis?' - Star Trek, TOS: episode "Patterns of Force"
Obviously if I think it's a waste of time to try honest discussion with degenerates that means I want to personally go around hurting people and destroying property. /degenerate logic
 

dank69

Lifer
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Hi Pot, how've you been?
When I post something stupid or make mistakes I admit my error, apologize and work to avoid repeating the same mistake again like a decent human being. Degenerates like jmagg will never admit their error because their ego is more important than being right or decent.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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By default dems are better because reps are backing Trump. A better question is if they are good enough. No they are not. Can they be? Perhaps. Conservatives died long ago.
 

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Lifer
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Every liberal author promoting the idea that Bernie was better than Hillary after Hillary won the primary is squarely in the dumbshit category and every bit as much to blame for Trump as any other degenerate pulling the lever for him.

I agree that once the primary was over it was time to rally-round and move on, but you overstate it with that 'every bit as much to blame' comment. That's just divisive itself.

And maybe someone should have told that to all the Blairites who spent so much time furiously undermining Corbyn (some of them are still at it). It's very odd that that sort of logic only seems to be promoted when party unity involves supporting the right.
 

FerrelGeek

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/sigh

You clearly don't get hyperbole. You also didn't get my reference at the end of my post. Peace out.

Obviously if I think it's a waste of time to try honest discussion with degenerates that means I want to personally go around hurting people and destroying property. /degenerate logic
 

jmagg

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When Democratic politicians include working class democrats in their vision they will succeed. Democratic people are better, their supposed representatives not so much. Regulate all healthcare costs ( there is no other way), and fight for lower inflation and living wages. Wall st is much of the problem.
 
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