Are Ethernet connections even necessary anymore?

Jumpem

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I am streaming 4K Netflix fine over Wi-Fi. On my computers I get a low ping, and the rated download and upload speeds over Wi-Fi.
 

TwiceOver

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So you're highly compressed 4K streams impress you enough to think ethernet is done for?

I'll take a wired connection over wifi whenever possible. I leaned toward the house we bought specifically because it was going to be easy to wire for ethernet.
 

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Yes.

The only time I use WiFi is for devices (phones, tablets, etc.) that can't take Ethernet. Wired is always better than wireless, performance wise.
 

Eug

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4k video only needs Fast Ethernet. Welcome to 1995.
 

Jumpem

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you keep your wifi, I'll keep my hardline.

So you're highly compressed 4K streams impress you enough to think ethernet is done for?

I'll take a wired connection over wifi whenever possible. I leaned toward the house we bought specifically because it was going to be easy to wire for ethernet.

Yes.

The only time I use WiFi is for devices (phones, tablets, etc.) that can't take Ethernet. Wired is always better than wireless, performance wise.

What benefit would I see wiring everything? I never did it because the router and PC were on opposite sides of the room. I could do it now, but I already achieve the rated speeds for my internet connection.
 

Jumpem

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4k video only needs Fast Ethernet. Welcome to 1995.

Netflix says about 7 Gigabytes per hour. That converts to 16.7 Mbps. Which is right where I am with my 15 (~22 actual) Mbps internet connection. I was expecting to have to upgrade it.
 

Ichinisan

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...and your WiFi network is saturated and can't really be used for for much else. Think of the others in your home!

I directly wire everything I possibly can. I live in an apartment complex.

TiVo. Silicondust HDHomeRun Prime tuners. NAS drive. - all wired. My PC and printer both have WiFi capability, but I use a wired connection for both. I still need to clean up wiring so my Apple TV can be wired again.
 
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i prefer a wire at the office, at home wireless is good enough to do what i need. id rather have wiring but...i dont want to crawl around under the house for the hell of it when my wifi works just fine.
 

Ichinisan

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When you think about all the devices that stream video over LAN, you want to make sure to keep as much throughput available as possible.

Some people try to use TiVo Stream with a TiVo on WiFi. Then you simultaneously overwhelm your WiFi network with a high bit rate inefficient MPEG2 video stream (TiVo DVR to the TiVo Stream device) and another HD video stream from the TiVo Stream to your mobile device. It usually doesn't work very well.

Then you have stuff like Chromecast, Apple TV AirPlay, etc...
 
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Jumpem

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When you think about all the devices that stream video over LAN, you want to make sure keep as much throughout available as possible.

Some people try to use TiVo Stream with a TiVo on WiFi. Then you simultaneously overwhelm your WiFi network with a high bit rate inefficient MPEG2 video stream (TiVo DVR to the TiVo Stream device) and another HD video stream from the TiVo Stream to your mobile device. It usually doesn't work very well.

Then you have stuff like Chromecast, Apple TV AirPlay, etc...

So wiring the TV would be much more beneficial than the PC then. I will move the router back that part of the room.
 

Ichinisan

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So wiring the TV would be much more beneficial than the PC then. I will move the router back that part of the room.

I would say, wire anything you possibly can that might ever stream video to/from another device over the LAN. Free up WiFi as much as possible for the mobile devices you can't wire at all.

I worry that saturated WiFi would cause video streaming devices to automatically compensate with reduced bit rates and poorer video quality.

Yeah. You probably have more video streaming stuff at the TV.
 

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True story:

My buddy worked in IT for a small company back the early 2000's, when WiFi first became a word. So the CIO heard about it and said something to this effect: "WiFi is the way of the future! I want all our servers converted to WiFi." The IT crowd protested and tried to fight it, but they did not win. My buddy quit.
 

Ichinisan

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True story:

My buddy worked in IT for a small company back the early 2000's, when WiFi first became a word. So the CIO heard about it and said something to this effect: "WiFi is the way of the future! I want all our servers converted to WiFi." The IT crowd protested and tried to fight it, but they did not win. My buddy quit.

LOL!

He probably thought the tech was meant to eliminate wires in server rooms rather than enabling mobility for users.
 
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It will be fun streaming videos when your neighbors wifi is interfering with your wifi. There is a lot of overlap between channels. I learned that the hard way.
I have chosen a channel as far away as possible from my neighbor's wifi andf it works great again, non stop 54Mbps. Until his router starts hopping channels again. Then i have to change the wifi channel also again on my router. But that has not occurred for several weeks now.
My main system is on a cable and stays on a cable. My phone and tablet run over wifi.
 

sdifox

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It will be fun streaming videos when your neighbors wifi is interfering with your wifi. There is a lot of overlap between channels. I learned that the hard way.
I have chosen a channel as far away as possible from my neighbor's wifi andf it works great again, non stop 54Mbps. Until his router starts hopping channels again. Then i have to change the wifi channel also again on my router. But that has not occurred for several weeks now.
My main system is on a cable and stays on a cable. My phone and tablet run over wifi.

see if you can pick a different region. like europe so you are on different channel ranges
 

Jumpem

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True story:

My buddy worked in IT for a small company back the early 2000's, when WiFi first became a word. So the CIO heard about it and said something to this effect: "WiFi is the way of the future! I want all our servers converted to WiFi." The IT crowd protested and tried to fight it, but they did not win. My buddy quit.

Yes, at work Wi-Fi would be terrible. At home I am not transferring Gigabytes of data constantly.
 

Jumpem

Lifer
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It will be fun streaming videos when your neighbors wifi is interfering with your wifi. There is a lot of overlap between channels. I learned that the hard way.
I have chosen a channel as far away as possible from my neighbor's wifi andf it works great again, non stop 54Mbps. Until his router starts hopping channels again. Then i have to change the wifi channel also again on my router. But that has not occurred for several weeks now.
My main system is on a cable and stays on a cable. My phone and tablet run over wifi.

How do you measure Wi-Fi throughput?
 

HeXen

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My gaming rig and laptop are like 10ft from my router. I don't notice any difference over hardline. Got rid of my last hardline connections not long ago so now everything in the house is wireless.
 
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How do you measure Wi-Fi throughput?

On my tablet, i press wifi settings. Then i click on the wifi network that i am connected too and it shows status, signal strength (In words like awful, worse, bad, good and excellent), the link speed, security used and IP address. It is a feature of android 4. Link speed is 54Mbps. It can be as low as 1Mbps when interfering occurs.
 

fleshconsumed

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see if you can pick a different region. like europe so you are on different channel ranges

You can't really do that. I think switching to Japan region gives you two extra channels on the far end of the spectrum, but the rest of the channels still overlap. Basically there is no easy way out if you have router congestion.
 

TheVrolok

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I hardwire whenever I can. I may be building a house in 2-3 years, and will likely still plan to hardwire it. Cat running wherever cable runs and then some.
 

Jumpem

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On my tablet, i press wifi settings. Then i click on the wifi network that i am connected too and it shows status, signal strength (In words like awful, worse, bad, good and excellent), the link speed, security used and IP address. It is a feature of android 4. Link speed is 54Mbps. It can be as low as 1Mbps when interfering occurs.

Ok, it shows 54Mbps for me. If Netflix 4K is using 16.7 Mbps of that, I definitely won't have an over saturation issue with what else I do.
 
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