are manuals becoming irrelevant?

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ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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It's kind of funny, on the used Porsche market, many people want to avoid the Tiptronic equipped models and the manual transmission cars are more sought after.
This is true on a lot of vehicles. If you're looking at a used car that is 10 years old and it has an automatic transmission, you know the previous owner bagged the fuck out of it. Automatic transmission fluid should be changed several times throughout the life of the car because ATF breaks down the same way engine oil does. Of course nobody does this so the transmission fluid breaks down, the automatic transmission starts slipping, and the thing is totally fucked.
This problem isn't so bad when buying a manual used car since the manual transmission has a direct coupling and generates a lot less heat.

Funny part is that many compact and midsize SUV's get about as good as milage as a Maxima.
Do people even attempt to use all of the power in those V6 or V8 cars? I drive a Toyota Corolla, possibly the slowest car ever made, and I still seem to accelerate much harder than everyone else on the road. When I'm flooring it to merge onto the freeway, the guy infront of me who's dragging ass is often driving a vehicle that far outperforms my vehicle. Even a Toyota Sienna will completely destroy a Corolla in both 0-60 and quarter mile, but I'm always waiting on these people to go faster. wtf?
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Do people even attempt to use all of the power in those V6 or V8 cars? I drive a Toyota Corolla, possibly the slowest car ever made, and I still seem to accelerate much harder than everyone else on the road. When I'm flooring it to merge onto the freeway, the guy infront of me who's dragging ass is often driving a vehicle that far outperforms my vehicle. Even a Toyota Sienna will completely destroy a Corolla in both 0-60 and quarter mile, but I'm always waiting on these people to go faster. wtf?

No. I doubt they use ALL the power because if they did they would get a ticket pretty fast I would imagine... I know I would if I always just gunned it as I was getting onto a freeway.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Yeh, you drive a Maxima...it's not exactly a Corolla. Why did you buy that instead of something smaller?

Touche'

I think it is a perfectly reasonable car for a small family such as mine...couldn't fit the three of us and a dog in a Lotus Elise you know.
 

TehMac

Diamond Member
Aug 18, 2006
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Do people even attempt to use all of the power in those V6 or V8 cars? I drive a Toyota Corolla, possibly the slowest car ever made, and I still seem to accelerate much harder than everyone else on the road. When I'm flooring it to merge onto the freeway, the guy infront of me who's dragging ass is often driving a vehicle that far outperforms my vehicle. Even a Toyota Sienna will completely destroy a Corolla in both 0-60 and quarter mile, but I'm always waiting on these people to go faster. wtf?

I wonder the same damn question, but then again, I'm in a Mustang. These morans don't realize that it's a fucking freeway, everyone is going 65, and going 45 trying to merge is not only fucking annoying but goddamn dangerous.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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Touche'

I think it is a perfectly reasonable car for a small family such as mine...couldn't fit the three of us and a dog in a Lotus Elise you know.

Things are just much, much different here compared to most other "1st world" countries. Our roads are wider. Our parking spots are bigger. We buy more shit we need to haul. We live further away. We drive more often. We have room for houses with bigger cars. Ect.

If I lived in a major city in Eurpoe or Asia that easily trumps the population density of even our most populated city cores with space compromises that come with it, I'd definitely be looking a supercompact car like the Honda Fit to get me around.

But I don't. And many people in the US don't either.
 

fleabag

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Oct 1, 2007
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my honda fit behaves in this way except it also does not honor my upshifts when going uphill. i swear my car has a motion sensor and knows when im going downhill or uphill...

that's because they do.. The newer toyotas and whatnot call it "Transmission Artificial Intelligence"

"Artificial Intelligence Shift Control (AI Shift Control)

One of the modern ECT features, it provides the ability to “read” the driver’s intentions and to “read” hills, AI Shift Control is a transmission algorithm designed to manage the shift regime according to road conditions and driver behaviour. It uses data on accelerator pedal angle and rate of change, throttle angle and engine speed."

But in my experience, I've found it to be no more Intelligent than the transmission in the Volvo S60 that I drive. In the demo video, what they showed was a toyota truck climbing a hill and instead being in 5th gear, losing a ton of speed, then shifting into 3rd gear before it revs up and what not, it will "anticipate" the road grade and downshift into 4th gear before it loses too much speed. Anyway to interject my point about the benefit of tire pressure. When I had the tires inflated to the rating recommended by Toyota, most inclines the transmission would downshift but when I raised it to the sidewall, it now downshifts less frequently when climbing grades and consequently my highway MPG improved by 3MPG!
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Conversations evolve and change, one subject may bring about another, especially seven pages in. Get over it.

Btw, Jules, a fat ass pig of a Camaro SS can stop in the same distance as an Exige S. Thoughts?

Thoughts? I can't get past the ugly interior of the Camaro...otherwise, I kind of like it.
 

canadageek

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no, you fix the interior by doing a weight reduction. I love the way fully stripped cars look, but then again, its a lot louder, less comfortable, and no woman in her right mind will ride with you.
 

skyking

Lifer
Nov 21, 2001
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I know that most people don't consider doing your own repairs much these days, but that would be my reason to choose a manual in a car over an auto.
Most automatic transmissions require a set of specialty tools to disassemble and repair properly.
I can change a clutch in anything or replace a synchro or a bearing in a manual.
That said I drive autos now, since my daily job can require enough clutch pushing for a lifetime.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Conversations evolve and change, one subject may bring about another, especially seven pages in. Get over it.

Btw, Jules, a fat ass pig of a Camaro SS can stop in the same distance as an Exige S. Thoughts?

What's sad is the Isuzu Vehicross can do about the same in 60-0 as well (108 ft)

However 117 ft of the SS is not anywhere close to the 105 ft of the Exige.
 

EightySix Four

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Jul 17, 2004
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What's sad is the Isuzu Vehicross can do about the same in 60-0 as well (108 ft)

However 117 ft of the SS is not anywhere close to the 105 ft of the Exige.

Varies depending on where I look, but I've seen between 104 and 109ft.

109ft

105ft

And the Suzuki Vehicross at 70mph can also easily pass the Camaro SS... when it's doing 60.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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On many new transmissions this isn't necessarily true. They'll let you bounce off the rev limiter all you want and the only thing it keeps you from doing is shifting too low and running the revs up (a DSG does the same).
You still can't force it to upshift to a silly gear, like if you're at 15mph it won't let you go to 5th. I've always thought that the "sport shift" on most cars is just an embarrassment more than anything. A silly illusion and wasted time and money.
 

EightySix Four

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Jul 17, 2004
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You still can't force it to upshift to a silly gear, like if you're at 15mph it won't let you go to 5th. I've always thought that the "sport shift" on most cars is just an embarrassment more than anything. A silly illusion and wasted time and money.

Damn, my transmission won't let me do something stupid that there is no legitimate purpose for doing... That bastard is taking away my FREEDOM!
 

TruePaige

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Oct 22, 2006
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I know that most people don't consider doing your own repairs much these days, but that would be my reason to choose a manual in a car over an auto.
Most automatic transmissions require a set of specialty tools to disassemble and repair properly.
I can change a clutch in anything or replace a synchro or a bearing in a manual.
That said I drive autos now, since my daily job can require enough clutch pushing for a lifetime.

With the length of powertrain warranties (ranging from ten years to lifetime depending on manufacturer) and the rarity of modern transmission failures it doesn't seem to be a major factor to me personally.
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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I know that most people don't consider doing your own repairs much these days, but that would be my reason to choose a manual in a car over an auto.
Most automatic transmissions require a set of specialty tools to disassemble and repair properly.
I can change a clutch in anything or replace a synchro or a bearing in a manual.
That said I drive autos now, since my daily job can require enough clutch pushing for a lifetime.

Most people don't have bearing/gear pullers and a floor press in their homes to work on a manual either.
 

skyking

Lifer
Nov 21, 2001
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I'm that guy who drives a car several hundred thousand miles and changes the clutch at least once. I've had to mess with a synchro once, in my 1966 mustang 3 speed. It did not require a press or anything else, that tranny practically fell apart on the bench after I took the bolts out
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Sooner rather than later (meaningless term but you get my point) I need to replace my maxima. Unfortunately Nissan doesn't sell a manual maxima anymore. So what else? Let's look at Mazda 6. Oh wait, they don't either (unless I want the 4 cylinder). It certainly is getting hard to get a manual transmission and, worse for me, the higher performance packages of various cars (e.g. G35/7x, Buick Lacrosse, etc.) with AWD especially don't exist in a manual variant.

If you want something with decent power and AWD and manual your options are seriously curtailed.
 
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