Are men and women equal

[SendTrash]

<< Very different, but equal. >>

I also believe that statement. I see that some of you say that women should be &quot;submissive&quot;... hmmmm, that is such an outdated idea, and is personally repulsive..

 

[Mursilis]

<< The right answer is that you shouldn't divide people by gender. >>



Talk about your generalizations. So should we ban single-sex public restrooms? We divide people by sex all the time. A straight female looking for a mate excludes roughly half the human race (namely, other females) from her search, but no one would suggest she's some sort of evil 'sexist'. Then again, we'd all tend to frown on a man who suggested women don't have the mental skills to vote, serve on a jury, etc. So the appropriateness of a division by sex is clearly dependent on the situation.



<< Be careful with what your questions next time. WW II took the lives of many innocent people due to generalizations. >>



I thought those deaths were due to bombs and bullets and stuff.

 

[Russ]

<< I hope that you understand that this only counts if you believe in the Christian religion. >>



Elledan,

I believe in no religion, I believe in God.

Aside from that, my response was to Isla, whom I was quoting. Based on her statement, I can only assume that she does believe in the Creator.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Elledan]

<<

<< The right answer is that you shouldn't divide people by gender. >>



Talk about your generalizations. So should we ban single-sex public restrooms? We divide people by sex all the time. A straight female looking for a mate excludes roughly half the human race (namely, other females) from her search, but no one would suggest she's some sort of evil 'sexist'. Then again, we'd all tend to frown on a man who suggested women don't have the mental skills to vote, serve on a jury, etc. So the appropriateness of a division by sex is clearly dependent on the situation. >>



Yes, sometimes it depends on the situation, but I was merely speaking about opinions on a specific gender, i.e. that females, for example, would be a lot smarter. This would be obviously wrong.



<< Be careful with what your questions next time. WW II took the lives of many innocent people due to generalizations. >>



I thought those deaths were due to bombs and bullets and stuff.[/i] >>


You forget those Jews, gypsies and many others who were killed simply because they were Jewish, Gypsie or belonged to some other 'group'.

 

[urameatball]

anyone read Rousseau's books? you know, the philosopher guy...

he has quite a bit to say about gender relations, but it was also written long time ago where men ALWAYS ruled the household. some of his theories might apply today.

he says some pretty interesting stuff. but it's way too complicated to explain in 1 post.

 

[Elledan]

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<< I hope that you understand that this only counts if you believe in the Christian religion. >>



Elledan,

I believe in no religion, I believe in God.

Aside from that, my response was to Isla, whom I was quoting. Based on her statement, I can only assume that she does believe in the Creator.

Russ, NCNE >>


You mean a god or gods? It's a whole difference whether you believe in one god or many gods or just believe that there's 'something' more. I believe in the third option.

English must be a really limited language if only typical 'male' names are being used to refer to those gods: 'creator'. Gods are gender-less.

Sorry to be so annoying but to see common mistakes being repeated over and over again irritates me.

 

[loveturtle]

there is no equal there never will be no matter what steps are taken to make people equal and it is wrong to think of anyone as equal to another
all people are different

 

[loveturtle]

thats total BS no one is equal in God's eyes,there is statue according to deeds

 

[Double Trouble]

Elledan, perhaps it's not the English language that's limited, perhaps it's your ability to use and comprehend it? hehehe.. sorry, I couldn't resist.

Men and women are NOT equal, apart from all the physical differences, we don't function the same, we are not chemically the same, we perceive things differently, we react to stimuli differently, etc etc etc. Our brains work differently. This much is FACT.

Does this mean one is 'better' than the other? No. That's the trick, to understand that on average we are different, we have different perspectives and different strengths and weaknesses, but to realize that this generalization does not make one better than the other, nor does it hold true for all members of each gender. Race is exactly the same -- though as humans we share a lot of traits, we are different in many ways, but that doesn't make one better than another.

 

[Russ]

<< annoying but to see common mistakes being repeated over and over again irritates me. >>



Elledan,

There were no &quot;mistakes&quot; in my post. I believe in God, one God, and He is the Creator.

You are free to believe, or not believe, as you choose.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Elledan]

<<

<< annoying but to see common mistakes being repeated over and over again irritates me. >>



Elledan,

There were no &quot;mistakes&quot; in my post. I believe in God, one God, and He is the Creator.

You are free to believe, or not believe, as you choose.

Russ, NCNE >>


And that's exactly the problem: there are people who believe in one god, others believe in multiple gods and others believe that there's no such thing as a 'god' or 'gods'. Logic tells me that if there are still so many people on this planet who do not believe in the existance of the same god(s), or any gods, its, or their influence must be very weak. Else those non-believers and so many different religions/ideas can not be explained.

Believe what you want, but I like to keep things rational.

 

[Linh]

i believe women have us by the balls

 

[shadowscavenger]

We are not Equal, We are not the Same, But we are balanced. Otherwise it would be boreing.

I have seen wemon do things that men can do.
I have seen men do things that wemon can do.
I have seen things both can't do.
I have seen things only one can do.

 

[wyvrn]

<< And that's exactly the problem: there are people who believe in one god, others believe in multiple gods and others believe that there's no such thing as a 'god' or 'gods'. Logic tells me that if there are still so many people on this planet who do not believe in the existance of the same god(s), or any gods, its, or their influence must be very weak. Else those non-believers and so many different religions/ideas can not be explained.

Believe what you want, but I like to keep things rational. >>



Your version of rational may be different from someone else's. No one is criticizing your religious beliefs here, so why don't you just give it a rest, ok?

I believe that women and men have very obvious differences, hence the division men and the division women. Else would we not all be called humans?. I also believe that in the past, men were tradtionally given the &quot;leadership&quot; position because they fought each other for it, and men as a whole can be bigger/stronger than women. In modern times, we give leadership positions to those that show rational thought, compassion, and fairness. IMO, the idea that women should be submissive to men loses its potency, because I have known many women who have more leadership skills than the men whom they served. Who says a women could not dutifly serve as head of a household in today's times? Any substantive proof of it?

 

[gqstyle09]

when did u change your icon girlfriday?

as for the issue... i think we're pretty much equal, except


<< i believe women have us by the balls >>


that statement couldn't be more true...

 

[Tauren]

No we are not &quot;equal&quot; but we should have equal rights, pay, etc.

 

[Static911]

its jus my opinion. You can believe watever u like


Static911

 

[uwantasumwang]

Men and women equal? tough question to answer... but I have kinda two opinions..

one. men and women are not equal. just like I am not the same as a woman.. we are different.. while I am not better than women, and women are not better than me.. its a generilization that cant be made

now my second opinion is that the world was kinda a better place before women worked... take all the women out of our workforce right now and see how the unimployment rates are..

 

[GasX]

Of course men and women are equal. Men are just MORE equal...

Just making an Animal Farm reference (see above)

 

[pdqcarrera]

Of course men and women are very very different.
It is unfortunate that so many want to somehow pretend to erase or avoid the differences and turn us into some kind of a homogeneous non-gender.
Glorify and appreciate our differences!!


If I had a feminine side I'd be touching it all the time

 

[Kosugi]

Physical strength is nothing.


Women are by far stronger. How many men would go through the pain of childbirth?


Women are more sensitive to social and moral issues, and make better all around leaders.


When the world is lead by women, it will be a much better place.

 

[GasX]

I can see it now. The world leaders get together for a summitt and the cool leaders huddle in the corner and talk about the russian premier's fat ass behind her back. Women more sensitive my ass. Maybe, but they can be far more cruel when they want to be...

 

[NakaNaka]

<< always think of Animal Farm and shudder. >>



I know what you mean Isla but that is still an amazing book. You do know what Orwell was comparing it to, right?

 

[BoberFett]

<< When the world is lead by women, it will be a much better place. >>

I hear this said by many people, but they never explain themselves. I guess it's easy to say &quot;If only&quot; and leave it at that.

 

[Isla]

It's been 20 years since I read it, NakaNaka, but I know it was a comparison to the Russian revolution.

A lot of times it seems to me the story applies to much more than that... whenever I watch the 'progress' of society, I think back on it. Anytime people talk of social 'equality', I think of the pigs. There will always be a group looking for a way/rationale to be considered 'more equal', 'more deserving', etc, etc.

It's the darker side of our nature.

BTW, Bober... In one of my Industrial Psychology classes, it was generally accepted that women did make better leaders over all. They are better able to get people to want to work as a team, rather than 'lording it over' the group. In general, of course.