Are Muslims Capable of Co-existing with the rest of the World?

[yllus]

It's more an issue of the deliberately disenfranchised in the poor parts of the world turning to violence (and Islam as a 'reason' for said violence) than it has to do with religion.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor


Yeah, every religion has it's extremeist nutcases. Fortunately, Christianity has them under control and doesn't let them go out in public. If you knew anything at all about christian extremists, you would know that Bush is a moderate and keeps his worship in church on Sunday. You would also know that he made every effort to ignore the ME until they attacked us on 9/11. Oh! You do know all of that and would rahter not hear it! Thats different. We can disrespect that!

George Bush ignored the Middle East because George Bush is ignorant of the Middle East. His decision to ignore the Middle East at the beginning of his first term was based on fear of his own ignorance, an all encompassing hatred of everything "Clinton" so virulent that he ignored intelligence briefings from the outgoing administrtation that warned of terrorist attacks as the most important immediate threat to the USA, and his personal knowledge that he would screw up the Middle East if he intervened. Well, at least he war right about one thing.

And the "Middle East" didn't attack us. IN PARTICULAR, IRAQ DIDN'T ATTACK US. Al Qaida attacked us. Then George W. Bushfabricated evidence and used 9/11 as an excuse to attack the Iraqi people in the same fashion that Osama bin Laden used whatever excuses his warped mind could cook up and attacked the American people -- only Iraq's 9/11 has been going on continually for over two years and seven months.

How anyone can still justify attacking Iraq after all we know now is simply beyond me.

And stop this Bush is a " moderate Christian" nonsense. He isn't moderate and he is "Christian" in name only. He's closer to anti-Christ than Christian, IMO.

Is Iraq Bush's idea of "Turn the other cheek"? Are Bush's economic policies which have increased hunger and poverty in America his idea of Christianity?

Tell that to America's growing legions of poor. Tell that to the people of Iraq -- those who are still able to hear you.

Does this sound like a moderate "Christian"? Unfortunately the answer is yes -- but only if you're talking about a "Christian" from the 11th century. :roll:

"God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... And I did.

"And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it."

And this little ditty,

"I trust God speaks through me. Without that I couldn't do my job."

Please, put down the Kool-Aid and WTFU. Bush is as at least as radical as bin Laden and possibly much more so by one standard -- bin Laden's fanaticism brought down the WTC, Bush's fanatacism brought down an entire nation and quite possibly the entire Middle East.

There are the occassional times when you make sense. This does not fall into that category.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Another good question is...

Are americans capable of co-existing with the rest of the World?

You talking about the rest of the world we rescued from NAZI Germany and Imperian Japan and then rebuilt after WWII or the rest of the world whose people we have fed and whose industries we have built through USAID and Foreign Aid dollars?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: yllus
It's more an issue of the deliberately disenfranchised in the poor parts of the world turning to violence (and Islam as a 'reason' for said violence) than it has to do with religion.

You know, they could have stayed home and actually helped to make their nations prosper instead of deserting them.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: raildogg Keep in mind that many parts Islam have been spread by the use of the sword and traitors usually get killed. Nice way of keeping

''traitors usually get killed.''....uh huh....keep going?

Its time to quit defending this scum and get pissed off at the image they are giving muslims
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9979747/
before they ruin Canada for you.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Yes. But the Islamic versions of Pat Robertson are not able to, just like Pat Robertson himself as well as his followers. And all those therefor should be put in a nice valley which is then filled with all remaining chemical and biological weapons.

 

[DeeKnow]

the riots in France have nothing to do with the Muslims... and mostly everything to do with the French, who are just being ... well.. French.

They still have to come to collective grips with the fact that the world has passed them by

 

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Another good question is...

Are americans capable of co-existing with the rest of the World?

You talking about the rest of the world we rescued from NAZI Germany and Imperian Japan and then rebuilt after WWII or the rest of the world whose people we have fed and whose industries we have built through USAID and Foreign Aid dollars?

No, im talking about all military interventions made in a lot of countries, supported by the US, and now the invasion of Iraq to "liberate" their oil.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Muslims angry over suicide bombings


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/10/jordan.blasts/index.html


Hmmm, I guess all Muslims are extremists.

That looks lke a Muslim attempt at some pr, as though to restore their image.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Muslims angry over suicide bombings


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/10/jordan.blasts/index.html


Hmmm, I guess all Muslims are extremists.

That looks lke a Muslim attempt at some pr, as though to restore their image.

Yeah, because they could never be pissed off at other morons tarnishing their religion.


Just like all Christians believe Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Franklin Graham are the true mouthpieces of Christianity and we would never disagree with them.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Another good question is...

Are americans capable of co-existing with the rest of the World?

That depends not only on Americans but on the rest of the world as well.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Muslims angry over suicide bombings


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/10/jordan.blasts/index.html


Hmmm, I guess all Muslims are extremists.

That looks lke a Muslim attempt at some pr, as though to restore their image.

What's wrong with good PR? Is it that you only want to see negative news about Muslims? Why would good Muslim people want to have their image tarnished by some bad apples who happen to claim to share a religion with them? There's nothing wrong with pointing out good things about ones self if they are true.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Not until they remove from their society the people who are causing the problem.

Until then they cannot coexist.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Another good question is...

Are americans capable of co-existing with the rest of the World?

You talking about the rest of the world we rescued from NAZI Germany and Imperian Japan and then rebuilt after WWII or the rest of the world whose people we have fed and whose industries we have built through USAID and Foreign Aid dollars?

No, im talking about all military interventions made in a lot of countries, supported by the US, and now the invasion of Iraq to "liberate" their oil.

Using your own logic, nobody can really co-exist in the world then.

 

[Sixtyfour]

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=134635&D=2005-11-10&HC=4

link to a Canal+ Video (WMV) of the riots; a subtitle strategically placed sez "Sarkozy, fasciste!" ("Sarkozy, fascist!"), but according to many french forums listeners (including me), the "youths" actually shout "Sarkozy, sale juif" ("Sarkozy, dirty jew!"), this is clearly audible, Sarko effectively being part-jewish.

Intresting choice of words from Canal+...

ps. In finnish news commentor said that, " 'working class' is being exploitet, and now they started rioting cos they are pissed". communists i say..

 

[scottish144]

Any muslum state is a theocracy, and it is an ancient religion that hasn't changed. Christianity was virtually identical to the muslums in its international dealings in the middle ages. However, Christianity went though a serious enlightenment, along with other religions such as hinduism. Islam has yet to experiance an elightenment, so their doctrines and acts are hundreds of years out of date.

One of these doctrines is their view of religious "tolerance". Christianity views this as "you can practice whatever you want and do whatever you want". Islam view this as: "You can practice it, but you will not be a citizen or a member of society until you convert". Thus is most muslum countries, non-muslums are not allowed to vote or hold office, or a right to almost anything legal. Also, Islam treats their worshipers like gang members. If you convert to another religion, you are supposed to be killed.

Another aspect is the difference in documents. The Bible and Tora are relativly explicit in their doctrines. If u read the Quaran, it is extremely vague and poetic, leaving it open to several interpretations of varying degree.

Islam is also easily corrupted. The leader or cleric is seen as a mortal god, and he must be obeyed, thus any Islamic State is little more than a religious dictatorship.

 

[mOeeOm]

Islam is also easily corrupted. The leader or cleric is seen as a mortal god, and he must be obeyed, thus any Islamic State is little more than a religious dictatorship.

O...k...?