Are nVidia's products attractive to informed buyers?

[VulgarDisplay]

LOL, AMD : Far cry 3, Hitman absolution, Battlefield 3, Bioshock Infinity, Crysis 3, Dirt showdown, Skyrim, Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs

Nvidia: Batman, Borderlands 2, BF3, Crysis 3, AC3


So, favoring Nvidia more heh? Recent games only

Edit: the D : in AMD : makes D: when put together

You said BF3 twice.

 

[DooKey]

Yeah, I want to recommend nvidia cards because I like the perf/watt, but I find the perf/$ lacking.

I buy both brands when the time is right, so :shrug: The 660 is attractive, but not a whole lot of upgrade from people who bought any reasonably high end card in the last two years.

I'll probably be buying a 7970 during the 8xxx launch window (hopefully a couple of massive MIR's or something will bring them under $300 briefly, which is my personal GPU limit) because my 5870 has served me so well and I'll run that for 3-4 years too.

Unless nvidia does some price cutting on the 680 in the mean time.

I'll be looking to do some 680 price cutting in the near future when I sell my used 680s. I'm sure I won't be the only one. Keep an eye out in the FS/FT area.

 

[Necc]

Great another nvidia vs AMD thread -_-

I've used both, both had there problems.

 

[The Alias]

@OP

I just wish your support phase turns out to be equally competent and fired up, like the buying phase

ie. since you are that sure about what's "real value" that you go around persuading friends how to spend their money,
hopefully you will stand behind your choice with full weight of your technical prowess

since most of them are coming straight from consoles, don't have much experience with pc's and PERSONALLY ask for my advice since I PERSONALLY convinced them not to save for the ps4/720 and get a pc instead since it's cheaper over time, I don't feel like I'm doing much wrong by suggesting they buy certain video cards AT ALL especially since they are neophytes in this realm of entertainment also the people I've given advice to almost never have problems except for screen tearing .

 

[DiogoDX]

superior drivers and no issues.

nearly all of the games are written to favor Nvidia technology these days as well.

This is so funny and sad at the same time.

 

[DominionSeraph]

long story short he switched to the gigabyte 7970 ghz and it's on the way now ..

So he bought the horrendous price/performance 7970 GHz, and you're complaining about nvidia?

 

[bleucharm28]

AMD and Nvidia both have had driver issues. However, Nvidia "seems" to get the issue resolved in timely manner or slightly better. Thats why I'm always stuck with Nvidia, i definitely want a AMD GPU as long as AMD keep drivers up to date. As of right now, I'm really happy with my 2 680 SC+ in SLi.

 

[hyrule4927]

So he bought the horrendous price/performance 7970 GHz, and you're complaining about nvidia?

Faster and cheaper than a 680 is horrendous price/performance?

 

[Eureka]

Faster and cheaper than a 680 is horrendous price/performance?

Top end cards are always horrendous price/performance. A 7870 costs about half the price and has around 75% of the performance.

On that matter, newer cards are pretty bad price/performance, usually. Real world differences between a new and used card isn't that great, especially between a single generation..

 

[zephyrprime]

So what did the nvidia customers pay for when their laptop GPU's were overheating and failing 5 years ago and cost Nvidia $150-$200 million.

Or my 8800GT that failed. Should have gotten in on that lawsuit over this solder issue.

 

[thujone]

Top end cards are always horrendous price/performance. A 7870 costs about half the price and has around 75% of the performance.

On that matter, newer cards are pretty bad price/performance, usually. Real world differences between a new and used card isn't that great, especially between a single generation..

for some people... that 25% performance is worth the money. or i guess the better way to say it is... some people don't care about that extra money

 

[lilvaratep]

AMD been releasing drivers out of their ass fixing memory leaks and improving game performance continuously with each performance - especially on newer games.

 

[blackened23]

So I'm shopping for a video card for a friend's system and he said he wants a nvidia card and I'm like ok and we go online looking for some on the egg and I kid you not these were the prices by the lowest viable option per chip

680 power edition : $460
gigabyte 7970 ghz @1100 core : $430
stock 670 : $360
gigabyte 7970 : $370
asus 660ti : $280
his iceQ 7950 : $290
zotac 660 : $214
gigabyte 7870 : $250

so he says he wants the 680 but I explained the only real value in their entire product stack is the 660 and each and every one of them gets trounced even further once they're both over clocked ... long story short he switched to the gigabyte 7970 ghz and it's on the way now .. the question for me now is nvidia going to make their products attractive to informed buyers ? because that time seems like a very long way off

Can you tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? I read your statement and i'm just puzzled.

 

[The Alias]

Can you tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? I read your statement and i'm just puzzled.

a : the dude's overclocking

b : at each price point the amd card performs better especially when overclocking

in conclusion when amd's cards cost $30 less, $10 more, $10 more, and $36 more, then each outperform their direct competitor with ease once overclocked;it kind of makes it hard to make a case for them from a price to performance standpoint .

 

[Phynaz]

the question for me now is nvidia going to make their products attractive to informed buyers ? because that time seems like a very long way off

They seem to be doing okay, wouldn't you say?

 

[SickBeast]

This thread is pure flamebait, but I will bite. nVidia has better drivers and less microstutter. This has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt IMO. AMD is good if you mine bitcoins but I'm not sure if that's even still profitable. My entire rig blew up mining bitcoins in crossfire so be careful.

 

[Eureka]

It really is flamebait. While neither company is perfect, no company has had an "extreme advantage" over the other. Nvidia isn't losing "their sh*t", they're on schedule with what they planned. It's just that AMD finally is making headways again after quite a few poor releases. This doesn't look bad on either company, and it benefits all of us because now there's some serious competition again. Nvidia didn't make a poor release, they made some headway over Fermi. However, AMD's team finally got it together. They made some powerful chips and released them, and finally got support for it.

If anyone remembers, Fermi was quite a bit better than Northern Islands, which was really not a step forward from the 5xxx series.

Not to mention, Kepler still runs with less power and heat than the SI cards, while staying competitive. AMD did win the performance crown on this generation, which shows that something is being done right over at AMD. But it will be hard to say, and not to mention nvidia does historically have faster cards than AMD. The fact that they had GK110 for a year now and never released it for consumer use just shows they didn't expect AMD to catch up so fast.

You also have to take into account the history of this generation. On release, Nvidia was definitely running faster than AMD, with cooler, lower power cards than AMD chips. Prices were pretty even with AMD release prices too. It's just that AMD got aggressive with price drops in order to outcompete Nvidia (think august-october). Then 12.11 came out and flipped everything over. Now AMD is cheaper and faster. Which is where we sit now.

 

[chimaxi83]

This thread is pure flamebait, but I will bite. nVidia has better drivers and less microstutter. This has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt IMO. AMD is good if you mine bitcoins but I'm not sure if that's even still profitable. My entire rig blew up mining bitcoins in crossfire so be careful.

It's been "proven" to be a widespread opinion, not fact. To know the difference between the two would be helpful :thumbsup: the fact is that each company has software/driver issues. They've had them from the beginning, and always will. AMD is good only if you mine, eh?

Also, your entire rig "blew up" from mining? Lol you're clearly doing it wrong. L2mine?

 

[The Alias]

It really is flamebait. While neither company is perfect, no company has had an "extreme advantage" over the other. Nvidia isn't losing "their sh*t", they're on schedule with what they planned. It's just that AMD finally is making headways again after quite a few poor releases. This doesn't look bad on either company, and it benefits all of us because now there's some serious competition again. Nvidia didn't make a poor release, they made some headway over Fermi. However, AMD's team finally got it together. They made some powerful chips and released them, and finally got support for it.

If anyone remembers, Fermi was quite a bit better than Northern Islands, which was really not a step forward from the 5xxx series.

Not to mention, Kepler still runs with less power and heat than the SI cards, while staying competitive. AMD did win the performance crown on this generation, which shows that something is being done right over at AMD. But it will be hard to say, and not to mention nvidia does historically have faster cards than AMD. The fact that they had GK110 for a year now and never released it for consumer use just shows they didn't expect AMD to catch up so fast.

You also have to take into account the history of this generation. On release, Nvidia was definitely running faster than AMD, with cooler, lower power cards than AMD chips. Prices were pretty even with AMD release prices too. It's just that AMD got aggressive with price drops in order to outcompete Nvidia (think august-october). Then 12.11 came out and flipped everything over. Now AMD is cheaper and faster. Which is where we sit now.

the 680 was only the fastest card available for about 2-3 months till amd released the 7970 ghz edition . 12.11 was the icing on the cake . the cooler chips were heavily mitigated by the nonexistent premium for aftermarket coolers, and let's not get into overclocking . that's a really sore point for Nvidia this generation .

proof : http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibuXcStgYF8

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232.html

 

[thilanliyan]

My entire rig blew up mining bitcoins in crossfire so be careful.

LOL sound like something wasn't up to snuff in your rig...I've been mining 24/7 For about a year now with a 7950 And a 6950, with an old corsair 620 psu And nothing has gone wrong.

 

[Eureka]

the 680 was only the fastest card available for about 2-3 months till amd released the 7970 ghz edition . 12.11 was the icing on the cake . the cooler chips were heavily mitigated by the nonexistent premium for aftermarket coolers, and let's not get into overclocking . that's a really sore point for Nvidia this generation .

proof : http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibuXcStgYF8

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232.html

Even then it was close. It only became clear with 12.11. The point is, nvidia was leading, until AMD got their act together. This kind of thread is just flamebait because it's not like either brand has a significant advantage over the other. Not to mention, nvidia can keep their prices high because people keep buying them, they just have a better history especially after the last few generations.

The market will always equalize. If AMD keeps their heads up, nvidia will be forced to either lower prices or release better chips. Quite honestly, nvidia was stagnating until 12.11, and now we've seen a flurry of beta drivers. This whole Titan release is probably nvidia's response to get their name at the top again. If nvidia doesn't respond, expect AMD prices to rise. AMD isn't your friendly mom and pop shop either, they want to make money just as bad as anyone else. The only reason why they are selling so low now is because they need to gain traction after some bad rep.

 

[absolutezero]

The market will always equalize. If AMD keeps their heads up, nvidia will be forced to either lower prices or release better chips. Quite honestly, nvidia was stagnating until 12.11, and now we've seen a flurry of beta drivers. This whole Titan release is probably nvidia's response to get their name at the top again. If nvidia doesn't respond, expect AMD prices to rise. AMD isn't your friendly mom and pop shop either, they want to make money just as bad as anyone else. The only reason why they are selling so low now is because they need to gain traction after some bad rep.

Well, they are in a fix currently. They badly need more cash. AMD will not and DOES NOT WANT to be your friendly mom and pop shop, but they can't afford not to for the next few years or until the company stablizes(or crashes).

 

[badb0y]

Oh yes the old "better drivers" argument.....lol.

 

[Hauk]

@OP

I just wish your support phase turns out to be equally competent and fired up, like the buying phase

ie. since you are that sure about what's "real value" that you go around persuading friends how to spend their money,
hopefully you will stand behind your choice with full weight of your technical prowess

Ouch

IMO, nVidia driver teams have a better grasp on the hardware out the gate, and have for years. Sure there's developer monies being thrown around; but it's hard not to appreciate generally superb support for big titles at launch, not to mention measureable performance increases with refined driver releases. Support for the tech comes from AMD, but at a seemingly slower pace.

Lame title and thread OP..

 

[thujone]

Oh yes the old "better drivers" argument.....lol.

hahaha... this should inevitably be posted in all threads in the video card forum