Are Palominos faster than Thunderbird core?

[Citadel535]

I just brought a Thunderbird. Not that I don't like (I actually love it compared to my previous system!) but the Palominos just came out and I was wondering if it would have been worth it to have gotten that instead?

 

[Budman]

they are a tiny bit faster but not by much,and no they are not out yet,only the AthlonMP is out.

Desktop Palominos will be out in a few months.

 

[TunaBoo]

Right now palimo goes up to 1.2 GHz. A t-bird can be oced to 1.5 pretty easily, while the palimo stops at around 1.4 GHz. The difference is very small right now, so you are fine with your t-bird. Later REAL Palimos will be out at higher clock speeds, but thats a ways down the road.

 

[ozziegn]

go to www.hardocp.com - they have just the answer you're looking for. but basically they are saying the performance gain right now is minimal.

 

[Sukhoi]

The performance gain is very noticeable in SETI though because of the hardware prefetch and refined cache.

 

[Scouzer]

I doubt most of us base our new hardware choices on SETI though

 

[Citadel535]

Lol. I feel a lot better knowing that my hardware purchse is still not obsolete.

 

[TunaBoo]

<< The performance gain is very noticeable in SETI though because of the hardware prefetch and refined cache. >>



Doesnt it bother you that SETI has too many people crunching, and have to throw out 60% of the work people do?

 

[ledzepp98]

Lol. I feel a lot better knowing that my hardware purchse is still not obsolete

wait till tomorrow...then it will be obsolete

Doesnt it bother you that SETI has too many people crunching, and have to throw out 60% of the work people do?

really? are they sending duplicate work units?

 

[larciel]

i thought MP was same as desktop palo which is same as Athlon 4 .. (just a little bit of tweaks there and there to make those 3)

 

[Duvie]

They are the same thing!!!

The desktop palomino will most likely come out anywhere from 1.466 to 1.533ghz when it is debuted.

The difference in advantages of palomino core over tbird core of same mhz is more then just a little and occurs in more then just seti...Has everyone forgotten the review by anandtech that showed the 1.2mp in sveral test beat the 1.4tbird or came very close. Anywhere from 10-15 percent gain over tbird of same mhz. With the sse optimization it will obviously perform better in some areas of photoshop and other multimedia progs optimized for sse. Ofcourse this does need to be on a board that fully supports the palomino/mp features which is so far the tyan.

The minimal difference is only cause like tunaboo has stated there is only the 1.2mp which many can get to 1.4 to 1.45ghz (why 1.4tbirds have been getting to 1.55-1.6ghz) which should but in on equal terms in the above mentioned review tests with say like a 1.6ghz tbird.

In synthetic sandra testing the scores are likely to be very close to tbird of same mhz...realworld is different.

I think not getting an mp is a good idea cause the 100 premium plus the only fully supported board is expensive and it is starting 200mhz slower. Now if the 1.4 was out today and with epox planning on full support in the very near future it may be different. They have been very good lttle overclockers as they tend to run slightly cooler, and have new thermal device to pervent the premature burning up of a chip. Higher spec'd ddr ram may help the push for many.

someone link that anandtech review...

 

[Sukhoi]

<< Doesnt it bother you that SETI has too many people crunching, and have to throw out 60% of the work people do? >>



Huh? Do you have proof?

 

[randomlinh]

don't these althon4's have another advantage, lower heat??

 

[senior guy]

FYI Duvie, the MSI K7Master (with latest BIOS) supports all of the Athlon MP's features including SSE. So no need to go to Tyan for Athlon MP support unless you actually want a dual cpu system.

 

[boran]

<< don't these althon4's have another advantage, lower heat?? >>



yes it has .. and that is a significant advantage ... cous you can cook on most athlons these days ...

also they have a heat probe .. preventing a burnout with a bad mounted or missing HSF

also sse implementations .. but these seem rather sluggish implemented .. i havent seen real performance increases because of them in benchmarks on reviews ...

 

[chuckieland]

don't complaint about your tbird
because i'm happy with my Althon Classic 700mhz
and note that your brand new tbird cost way less then my Althon Classic 700mhz when i brought it at the time
be happy

 

[randomlinh]

does the mbm, or anything else, recognize the internal temp probe?

 

[senior guy]

<< also sse implementations .. but these seem rather sluggish implemented .. i havent seen real performance increases because of them in benchmarks on reviews >>

...Boran

Most likely because the BIOS of the mobo used in those benchmarks/reviews did not properly support SSE!!!

 

[senior guy]

<< also sse implementations .. but these seem rather sluggish implemented .. i havent seen real performance increases because of them in benchmarks on reviews >>

...Boran

Most likely that's because the BIOS of the mobo used in those benchmarks/reviews did not properly support SSE!

 

[KpocAlypse]

Ah, and the answer is......

Bickety...BAM,,,

Firingsquad did a few benches on it, looks &quot;a bit&quot; faster....

 

[SpaceHog]

Kyle will tell you

Linkage

 

[Quickfingerz]

I like the Athlon 4 ONLY because it dissipates less heat under the same voltage and clock speed.

 

[Insane3D]

&quot;I like the Athlon 4 ONLY because it dissipates less heat under the same voltage and clock speed.&quot;

That seems strange. I guess you are not interested in the much improved memory performance that Hardware Prefetch allows, and the extra core refinements that increase performance as well too? Not to mention the first AMD CPU to support SSE, albeit slower than on a Intel CPU.

 

[Insane3D]

&quot;Now if the 1.4 was out today and with epox planning on full support in the very near future it may be different. They have been very good lttle overclockers as they tend to run slightly cooler, and have new thermal device to pervent the premature burning up of a chip. Higher spec'd ddr ram may help the push for many.&quot;

The only feature that the Epox does not support yet is SSE. They have already said that a SSE capable bios should be out by the end of the month. Also, the MSI K7 Master does support SSE right now, but they are not the best overclockers. The Epox supports a 1/5 and a 1/6 PCI divisor and FSB's up to 250mhz. If there was DDR that could handle it, you could run a 200mhz FSB (400mhz DDR) and have your PCI bus @ 33mhz. I alreaduy was able to get into windows with a 200mhz FSB, but the Crucial could not handle it. When the PC2700 comes out, it should become a reality.

 

[Insane3D]

&quot;also sse implementations .. but these seem rather sluggish implemented .. i havent seen real performance increases because of them in benchmarks on reviews ...&quot;

&quot;Most likely that's because the BIOS of the mobo used in those benchmarks/reviews did not properly support SSE!&quot;

Actually, it is not because the motherboard did not support SSE, it's because AMD's implementation of SSE (3DNow! Professional) is just plain old slower than on Intel CPU's. I will quote Anand's review of the 760MP chipset for this one.


&quot;The Athlon MP is the first non-mobile AMD processor to bring a full implementation of Intel's Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE) to the table. This allows the Athlon MP to run code optimized for 3DNow! or SSE instruction sets although it doesn't necessarily mean that it can run SSE optimized code as fast as a Pentium III/Pentium 4. AMD calls the Athlon MP's 3DNow! + SSE support their 3DNow! Professional technology. AMD will eventually include full SSE2 compliance in their Hammer line of CPUs.&quot;

This is their very first attempt at implementing SSE support in one of their CPU's, so it's bound to not be as fast as Intel right off the bat. I would think once the newer CPU's come out that support SSE2, the regular SSE performance will be much improved.