Are people of mixed race healthier?

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lxskllr

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I'd never heard of the term ginger until last week, and now I've heard it a few times since. Curious....
 

nCred

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I doubt it. Iceland has a very homogenous population but I have never heard anything about them being more sick. If you look at their life expectency it's 80.67 years compared to 78.11 in the US (according to CIA factbook). But perhaps they just live healthier or have a better healthcare system...

 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: lxskllr
I'd never heard of the term ginger until last week, and now I've heard it a few times since. Curious....

Watch more South Park. It's what the "soul-less" comments originate from.
 

CZroe

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Yukmouth

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Yukmouth
Originally posted by: eits
they're smarter (on average), that's for damn sure

Where the f*k did you read this????

studies have shown that success and intelligence of people has more to do with the number of words heard when they were a child...

it doesn't have to do with race or income... however, biracial or bi-heritage households, on average, speak more words within the home because there usually is a language or ethnic barrier, which requires more words for explanation, which kids pick up, which renders them more intelligent.

a caveat to this is that success/intelligence also increases if the parents use encouraging language or words to their child rather than negative words. they found a 3:1 ratio in positive language and encouragement to discouraging words in parents who were professionals, whereas parents who were on welfare had a 1:3 ratio.

i can't remember where i read it, but i also heard it on a radio show on npr about a month or so ago. i did read it in an article, though.

edit: no need to be offended or anything. it's not like i'm saying the average full-blooded ethnic person is dumber than a mixed person. i basically said it for effect so that i could explain it later on rather than explaining it and no one reading it because it's too long.

I take no offense, your statement made me think, WTF??? I've never heard that. I'm mixed myself. I usually hear about good looks, good genes but that's about it.

I can attest to those features, but brains????? If you were raised by a pack of wolfs, you'd be pretty far behind I agree.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: eits
they're smarter (on average), that's for damn sure

This is definitely not true. The group with the highest IQ is Ashkenazi Jews, and they have some of the least genetic diversity and often suffer from genetic problems related to a lack of genetic diversity. The next highest from what I hear is Eastern Asians such as the Japanese, another group with limited genetic diversity.

While many references can be found stating that these groups have higher intelligence, I doubt you'll be able to find any that suggest that people of mixed race are smarter.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: eits

studies have shown that success and intelligence of people has more to do with the number of words heard when they were a child...

it doesn't have to do with race or income... however, biracial or bi-heritage households, on average, speak more words within the home because there usually is a language or ethnic barrier, which requires more words for explanation, which kids pick up, which renders them more intelligent.

You could also explain the same affect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not.

To determine whether genetics or upbringing had more of an effect on the children, it's useful to study identical twins and adoption. Many studies have focused on this and found that an identical twin raised apart from their sibling by a different family is still more similar to their twin sibling than an adopted sibling who grew up in the same home. There have been plenty of these studies so the results will be all over google.

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zinfamous

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Originally posted by: nCred
I doubt it. Iceland has a very homogenous population but I have never heard anything about them being more sick. If you look at their life expectency it's 80.67 years compared to 78.11 in the US (according to CIA factbook). But perhaps they just live healthier or have a better healthcare system...

Well, I hope they have something going for them b/c their economy is f*cked right now.

 

eits

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits

studies have shown that success and intelligence of people has more to do with the number of words heard when they were a child...

it doesn't have to do with race or income... however, biracial or bi-heritage households, on average, speak more words within the home because there usually is a language or ethnic barrier, which requires more words for explanation, which kids pick up, which renders them more intelligent.

You could also explain the same affect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not.

To determine whether genetics or upbringing had more of an effect on the children, it's useful to study identical twins and adoption. Many studies have focused on this and found that an identical twin raised apart from their sibling by a different family is still more similar to their twin sibling than an adopted sibling who grew up in the same home. There have been plenty of these studies so the results will be all over google.

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my statement didn't have to do with genetics. it had to do with the number of words the child heard.

http://audio.thisamericanlife....player/customproxy.php

listen from 10:30 on.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: nCred
I doubt it. Iceland has a very homogenous population but I have never heard anything about them being more sick. If you look at their life expectency it's 80.67 years compared to 78.11 in the US (according to CIA factbook). But perhaps they just live healthier or have a better healthcare system...

Well, I hope they have something going for them b/c their economy is f*cked right now.

they banned strip clubs as well, electing a buncha lesbos. so perhaps they are inbred after all.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits

studies have shown that success and intelligence of people has more to do with the number of words heard when they were a child...

it doesn't have to do with race or income... however, biracial or bi-heritage households, on average, speak more words within the home because there usually is a language or ethnic barrier, which requires more words for explanation, which kids pick up, which renders them more intelligent.

You could also explain the same effect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not.

To determine whether genetics or upbringing had more of an effect on the children, it's useful to study identical twins and adoption. Many studies have focused on this and found that an identical twin raised apart from their sibling by a different family is still more similar to their twin sibling than an adopted sibling who grew up in the same home. There have been plenty of these studies so the results will be all over google.

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my statement didn't have to do with genetics. it had to do with the number of words the child heard.

http://audio.thisamericanlife....player/customproxy.php

listen from 10:30 on.

I just listened to it and it doesn't negate anything I said. As I said before:

"You could also explain the same affect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not."

 

eits

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits

studies have shown that success and intelligence of people has more to do with the number of words heard when they were a child...

it doesn't have to do with race or income... however, biracial or bi-heritage households, on average, speak more words within the home because there usually is a language or ethnic barrier, which requires more words for explanation, which kids pick up, which renders them more intelligent.

You could also explain the same effect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not.

To determine whether genetics or upbringing had more of an effect on the children, it's useful to study identical twins and adoption. Many studies have focused on this and found that an identical twin raised apart from their sibling by a different family is still more similar to their twin sibling than an adopted sibling who grew up in the same home. There have been plenty of these studies so the results will be all over google.

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my statement didn't have to do with genetics. it had to do with the number of words the child heard.

http://audio.thisamericanlife....player/customproxy.php

listen from 10:30 on.

I just listened to it and it doesn't negate anything I said. As I said before:

"You could also explain the same affect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not."

you missed the part where they said that the link that holds true, regardless, is the number of words heard. not class, race, gender, income, etc. yeah, smart people could have a smart kid... they can also have dumb ones. but if you took the time to talk to your kids more or if they heard more languages inherently due to a bi-ethnic household, the chances of the kid ending up smarter are higher, regardless of genetics.

again, i didn't say dick about genetics originally, so i don't know why your argument against what i said included a rebuttal as if i had.

either way, i don't care. peace.
 

91TTZ

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Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits

studies have shown that success and intelligence of people has more to do with the number of words heard when they were a child...

it doesn't have to do with race or income... however, biracial or bi-heritage households, on average, speak more words within the home because there usually is a language or ethnic barrier, which requires more words for explanation, which kids pick up, which renders them more intelligent.

You could also explain the same effect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not.

To determine whether genetics or upbringing had more of an effect on the children, it's useful to study identical twins and adoption. Many studies have focused on this and found that an identical twin raised apart from their sibling by a different family is still more similar to their twin sibling than an adopted sibling who grew up in the same home. There have been plenty of these studies so the results will be all over google.

Text

my statement didn't have to do with genetics. it had to do with the number of words the child heard.

http://audio.thisamericanlife....player/customproxy.php

listen from 10:30 on.

I just listened to it and it doesn't negate anything I said. As I said before:

"You could also explain the same affect by claiming that more intelligent parents are likely to have a better vocabulary, and by inheritance, their children will have a higher intelligence whether they've ever heard their parents speak or not."

you missed the part where they said that the link that holds true, regardless, is the number of words heard. not class, race, gender, income, etc. yeah, smart people could have a smart kid... they can also have dumb ones. but if you took the time to talk to your kids more or if they heard more languages inherently due to a bi-ethnic household, the chances of the kid ending up smarter are higher, regardless of genetics.

again, i didn't say dick about genetics originally, so i don't know why your argument against what i said included a rebuttal as if i had.

either way, i don't care. peace.

I think your belief that mixed race children are smarter than non-mixed race children is fundamentally wrong.

You're making it sound as if the chance of an intelligent couple having intelligent kids vs. not-so-intelligent kids is 50/50 since there are 2 choices. However, that is not how genetics works. On average, more intelligent parents are more likely to have more intelligent offspring than not-so-intelligent parents. You seem to be ignoring the obvious genetic factor here.

Your example of children being smarter if they grow up in a household with a better vocabulary is an example of correlation, not causation. As we all know, correlation does not equal causation. I raised the possibility that those parents with the better vocabulary may be more intelligent than those with a more limited vocabulary. If that's the case, due to inheritance alone, their children will, on average, be more intelligent than those from less intelligent parents. This is aside from their upbringing. Studies on identical twins separated at birth suggest that the genetic factor is stronger than the environmental factor.
 
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