Are Razer mice still cutting edge for games?

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calyco

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Still rocking my deathadder for desktop and orichi for notebook. Very happy with razer products, the material, design.. and they are more durable than I initially thought. If there was something better I prob wouldve upgraded already.
 

tcG

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Jul 31, 2006
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Still rocking an MX500. One of the best optical sensors ever made...

Laser sensor mice usually have acceleration that you can't turn off and other weirdness that you don't want for FPS games.

I tried a Deathadder but I was just too used to my MX500 to deal with the bigger size. I would probably get something from Zowie if I were to get another mouse today.
 

lupi

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Apr 8, 2001
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i'd rather have a new copperhead than anything they produce now.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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i'd rather have a new copperhead than anything they produce now.

I just went digging around. You arent gonna find a new one any more. But if you spend some time on Ebay you may get lucky and find something.
 

StinkyPinky

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Jul 6, 2002
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I've still got my original MX510. I don't even remember how old it is, but it must be 7-8 years.
 

imaheadcase

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May 9, 2005
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I got the G400 a few weeks ago. I got it because my "old" MMO razer Naga the buttons started to stick.

Its a good mouse, however the sensitivity buttons are too far apart, i change them a lot based on game i play so kind of annoying. When you try to press them i press down the middle mouse button as well because it sits so low in front of it.

For $40 its a great mouse
 

Fire&Blood

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Jan 13, 2009
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G700 replaced my Revo MX, took a few days to adjust after 4 years, recommend it.
 

Northern Lawn

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Its a good mouse, however the sensitivity buttons are too far apart, i change them a lot based on game i play so kind of annoying. When you try to press them i press down the middle mouse button as well because it sits so low in front of it.

For $40 its a great mouse

I use the sensitivity settings a lot with my lachesis. When I jump in a tank I need to spin around fast, when I'm looking through a sniper scope I want to move slow. I wouldn't buy a mouse where I couldn't do that.
 

BrightCandle

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Most mice have sensors that are setup incorrectly which produces flaws in one form or another. For most users these flaws aren't an issue, and if you are a high sensitivity gamer (you don't need a whopping mouse mat and you don't move the entire width of it to turn 180 degrees) then many of these flaws are less of a concern.

In my mind there are three things to consider when buying a mouse:
1) How you grip it. Take a look at Razor's pictures here http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/fingertipgrip. If you are a finger tip gripper then you will want a shorter mouse that is low bodied, whereas a palm grip will want a longer and higher curved back mouse and a claw gripper will need a middle length mouse that makes that grip comfortable which in many cases seems to be a low back but in some its a high back

2) The sensor quality and flaws. You want a sensor that works. That is it doesn't breakdown at high speeds of movement, it produces no acceleration (positive or negative), it performs consistently with no jitter and it doesn't have lift off Z axis issues. Finding mice without these flaws is incredibly difficult as none of the manufacturers are really worrying about these flaws even though they should. Ideally the lift off distance is really low as well so you don't get any interactions as you pick it up and move the mouse.

Given that this is the only list I know of genuinely flawless sensors on mice and mice that are close to flawless: http://www.esreality.com/post/2024663/mouses-using-flawless-sensors/

Razor do have a mouse on that list, but its the old deathadder. Recent mice that are very close to perfect are the Zombie AM and the Logitech G400. If its not on that list you can go through the esreality hardware forum looking for reviews by people who know mice really well. They will explain the problems the mouse exhibits and often show you the paint test for that mouse.

Its worth noting that you don't need a laser mouse. The higher DPIs aren't really any use, 3500 dpi is more than enough for a low sensitivity gamer.

3) Weight. The mouse should be as light as possible, 0g being the absolute best. Anything above about 75g is pretty darn heavy, and I once thought it didn't matter until I got a heavy mouse and now I want as light as possible again.

This is what you actually need to worry about for this tool. Its a shame there are so few genuinely good mice out there, all these flaws in the sensor are just daft considering over 10 years ago Microsoft hit it 100% perfect on a cheap mouse.
 

Dkcode

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May 1, 2005
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i'd rather have a new copperhead than anything they produce now.

As I long time lover of the Copperhead, the Taipan is exceeds it in its grip. The only trouble is the sensor takes some getting used to. Its very smooth and accurate but it has some kind smoothing enabled in the firmware which can't be disabled.

Its has not effected my ability, in fact I find it the most accurate mouse I have used. It does seem to make any kind of input lag, a lot more noticeable though.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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I have a G500, I like it except for the material that they use on the side of the mouse. It makes my thumb sweat which is weird and annoying.
 

Dkcode

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Most mice have sensors that are setup incorrectly which produces flaws in one form or another. For most users these flaws aren't an issue, and if you are a high sensitivity gamer (you don't need a whopping mouse mat and you don't move the entire width of it to turn 180 degrees) then many of these flaws are less of a concern.

In my mind there are three things to consider when buying a mouse:
1) How you grip it. Take a look at Razor's pictures here http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/fingertipgrip. If you are a finger tip gripper then you will want a shorter mouse that is low bodied, whereas a palm grip will want a longer and higher curved back mouse and a claw gripper will need a middle length mouse that makes that grip comfortable which in many cases seems to be a low back but in some its a high back

2) The sensor quality and flaws. You want a sensor that works. That is it doesn't breakdown at high speeds of movement, it produces no acceleration (positive or negative), it performs consistently with no jitter and it doesn't have lift off Z axis issues. Finding mice without these flaws is incredibly difficult as none of the manufacturers are really worrying about these flaws even though they should. Ideally the lift off distance is really low as well so you don't get any interactions as you pick it up and move the mouse.

Given that this is the only list I know of genuinely flawless sensors on mice and mice that are close to flawless: http://www.esreality.com/post/2024663/mouses-using-flawless-sensors/

Razor do have a mouse on that list, but its the old deathadder. Recent mice that are very close to perfect are the Zombie AM and the Logitech G400. If its not on that list you can go through the esreality hardware forum looking for reviews by people who know mice really well. They will explain the problems the mouse exhibits and often show you the paint test for that mouse.

Its worth noting that you don't need a laser mouse. The higher DPIs aren't really any use, 3500 dpi is more than enough for a low sensitivity gamer.

3) Weight. The mouse should be as light as possible, 0g being the absolute best. Anything above about 75g is pretty darn heavy, and I once thought it didn't matter until I got a heavy mouse and now I want as light as possible again.

This is what you actually need to worry about for this tool. Its a shame there are so few genuinely good mice out there, all these flaws in the sensor are just daft considering over 10 years ago Microsoft hit it 100% perfect on a cheap mouse.

Pretty much bang on really.

The Zowie AM is a very good mouse but they use Huano switches which ruins it. They are just too stiff to click and after a while using it becomes a chore. If it had slightly indented side grip and Omron switches this mouse would have been perfect.
 

Northern Lawn

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May 15, 2008
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Most mice have sensors that are setup incorrectly which produces flaws in one form or another. For most users these flaws aren't an issue, and if you are a high sensitivity gamer (you don't need a whopping mouse mat and you don't move the entire width of it to turn 180 degrees) then many of these flaws are less of a concern.

In my mind there are three things to consider when buying a mouse:
1) How you grip it. Take a look at Razor's pictures here http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/fingertipgrip. If you are a finger tip gripper then you will want a shorter mouse that is low bodied, whereas a palm grip will want a longer and higher curved back mouse and a claw gripper will need a middle length mouse that makes that grip comfortable which in many cases seems to be a low back but in some its a high back

2) The sensor quality and flaws. You want a sensor that works. That is it doesn't breakdown at high speeds of movement, it produces no acceleration (positive or negative), it performs consistently with no jitter and it doesn't have lift off Z axis issues. Finding mice without these flaws is incredibly difficult as none of the manufacturers are really worrying about these flaws even though they should. Ideally the lift off distance is really low as well so you don't get any interactions as you pick it up and move the mouse.

Given that this is the only list I know of genuinely flawless sensors on mice and mice that are close to flawless: http://www.esreality.com/post/2024663/mouses-using-flawless-sensors/

Razor do have a mouse on that list, but its the old deathadder. Recent mice that are very close to perfect are the Zombie AM and the Logitech G400. If its not on that list you can go through the esreality hardware forum looking for reviews by people who know mice really well. They will explain the problems the mouse exhibits and often show you the paint test for that mouse.

Its worth noting that you don't need a laser mouse. The higher DPIs aren't really any use, 3500 dpi is more than enough for a low sensitivity gamer.

3) Weight. The mouse should be as light as possible, 0g being the absolute best. Anything above about 75g is pretty darn heavy, and I once thought it didn't matter until I got a heavy mouse and now I want as light as possible again.

This is what you actually need to worry about for this tool. Its a shame there are so few genuinely good mice out there, all these flaws in the sensor are just daft considering over 10 years ago Microsoft hit it 100% perfect on a cheap mouse.
Great Post.

I'm actually having trouble finding a new mouse to replace my Razer Lachesis. I thought of going back to logitech but I don't like where the sensitivity setting buttons are (above and below the wheel)
I like being able to adjust sensitivity on the fly without a 2nd thought and the poster above reminded me of the difficulty of reaching them on most mice.

Since I can't find another Lachesis I'm going to go with the Razer Taipan.



The highest rated Razer on your list was the deathadder but it has no sensitivity buttons at all and those higher end Razer mice like the Razer "Star Wars" are ridiculous imo. I mean look at it. It's wireless and seems to have a dock but it looks more like a space shuttle than a mouse.

 
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Anubis

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ive never found any razor mouse comfortable to use for more than about 10 min, shapes of them suck IMO, prefer steelseries and logitech
 

Northern Lawn

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I can play around the clock on mine, the lachesis is the best mouse I've had even though it's wired and I do miss the old MX1000 I had. Now they all seem to need batteries instead of dockets. I also had the logitech 518, Lachesis is definitely better than that one.

Razer also has a great mouse pad.
 

videogames101

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Aug 24, 2005
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i always go logitech, and it's more because of the amazing customer service than the products...
 

AznAnarchy99

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Went back to Logitech with a G500. 3 year warranty. I had a steelseries xai which was amazing in every way but died just under two years. It had a 1 year warranty.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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Definitely figure out what kind of grip you prefer. The new g400 with angle snapping removed is pretty awesome and cheap ($30) but it's more for palm grippers. Same with the death adder and the ms intellimouse explorer 3.0. I had ms optical blue mouse that has a perfect sensor and it works well but it's mostly for the claw/finger grip. The cord is heavy though. Right now I'm using a zowie am and it's light and it's smaller than the itellimouse explorer 1.1. The buttons don't really feel to heavy to me but it doesn't feel as grippy as some other mice like my roommate asus mouse.

Actually you should also be deciding what types of games you will be playing. Nothing wrong with some accel/angle snapping with rts/moba games. Also if you're playing bf3 it's nice to have a mouse with the dpi butons on top so you can change when going from melee to a vehicle. Or an annoying game like dead island where the menus have a different sensitivity than in-game action.
 

StinkyPinky

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What do you guys think is the successor to the MX510? Do they still make MX518's?
 

destrekor

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Untrue, the deathadder was and still is the best mouse. Any mouse that is laser is bad. Optical mice FTW.

Deathadder was a great mouse, and Razer does make some great mice and products in general.
Problem: their reliability is very hit and miss.

For now, I've given up on Razer for mice. I went with a Logitech G700 and have mostly loved it. It's sort of a love/hate relationship, because sometimes I feel like I can never get a comfortable grip. Other days I fall right into a great grip and love it. It's an awkward mouse, for sure.

And Logitech is generally quite fail with driver packages, but at least the drivers do work, seem to be reliable, and the products themselves to tend to stand the test of time.

I do, however, absolutely love my Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Stealth keyboard. Fantastic device. If there is any fail here, it'll be the drivers or botched firmware - which I imagine gets resolved in short order.


Every now and then I look at other mice out there to see if the upgrade/new-device itch can be satisfied (I need to stop this though), mainly to see if there's one that'll be the holy-grail for comfort for my hand specifically. I tend to try and get the most ergonomically-sound sitting position, which involves tilting and moving chair (sometimes once, sometimes it takes 10 minutes and tweaking while in-game), which also equals the most comfortable arm-rest position and wrist/mouse position on my kb/m tray under the desk
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The shape of the G700 just complicates all of that. I feel like I could have faster reaction times with a different mouse - but that might not be the case at all.

I do love the wired/wireless ability, for sure. I generally used wired for daily use and most gaming. I have a permanent profile-switch button and two of the left-finger buttons set to DPI+ and DPI-, which I'll make use of for many things. Games like BF3 (any competitive MP FPS) I'll take the cord out - it makes it a little lighter.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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death adder is a good mouse but the older ones had a high lift off distance. I think the new ones fix the issue. It's a bad mouse for claw/finger users though. Too big.

You're probably thinking off lift off distance. For low sens players or those that pick the mouse up a lot you want a mouse with low lod. You can put a piece of non-clear tape over the sensor and it'll lower your lod. That's the problem with a lot of laser mice. the lod is too high. Some of the newer ones are a lot better. The Sensei is supposed to be pretty awesome.
 

Mem

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I've been using Razers for a long time and see no reason to change now. For one thing they are so much better that they do last longer. And they are so comfortable I dont want to change them out.

I've to say the opposite,got through two Razer mice, both went faulty after warranty(not that old either),first one would stop responding ie curzor would not always move,second was a Deathadder and the left click went faulty ie would double click sometimes rather then a single click,anyway got a far eastern gaming mouse from ebay that at virtually same specs as Razer's in gaming performance but so much cheaper,well its still working great and fantastic in gaming.


The only other mice that I've used have been Logitech, IMHO Logitech is far superior to Razer on build quality.

I don't think I will ever go back to Razer due to every mouse I have purchased by them went faulty.
 
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