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- Mar 6, 2008
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No 3D black and gray pattern, no deal.
i'd rather have a new copperhead than anything they produce now.
Its a good mouse, however the sensitivity buttons are too far apart, i change them a lot based on game i play so kind of annoying. When you try to press them i press down the middle mouse button as well because it sits so low in front of it.
For $40 its a great mouse
i'd rather have a new copperhead than anything they produce now.
Most mice have sensors that are setup incorrectly which produces flaws in one form or another. For most users these flaws aren't an issue, and if you are a high sensitivity gamer (you don't need a whopping mouse mat and you don't move the entire width of it to turn 180 degrees) then many of these flaws are less of a concern.
In my mind there are three things to consider when buying a mouse:
1) How you grip it. Take a look at Razor's pictures here http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/fingertipgrip. If you are a finger tip gripper then you will want a shorter mouse that is low bodied, whereas a palm grip will want a longer and higher curved back mouse and a claw gripper will need a middle length mouse that makes that grip comfortable which in many cases seems to be a low back but in some its a high back
2) The sensor quality and flaws. You want a sensor that works. That is it doesn't breakdown at high speeds of movement, it produces no acceleration (positive or negative), it performs consistently with no jitter and it doesn't have lift off Z axis issues. Finding mice without these flaws is incredibly difficult as none of the manufacturers are really worrying about these flaws even though they should. Ideally the lift off distance is really low as well so you don't get any interactions as you pick it up and move the mouse.
Given that this is the only list I know of genuinely flawless sensors on mice and mice that are close to flawless: http://www.esreality.com/post/2024663/mouses-using-flawless-sensors/
Razor do have a mouse on that list, but its the old deathadder. Recent mice that are very close to perfect are the Zombie AM and the Logitech G400. If its not on that list you can go through the esreality hardware forum looking for reviews by people who know mice really well. They will explain the problems the mouse exhibits and often show you the paint test for that mouse.
Its worth noting that you don't need a laser mouse. The higher DPIs aren't really any use, 3500 dpi is more than enough for a low sensitivity gamer.
3) Weight. The mouse should be as light as possible, 0g being the absolute best. Anything above about 75g is pretty darn heavy, and I once thought it didn't matter until I got a heavy mouse and now I want as light as possible again.
This is what you actually need to worry about for this tool. Its a shame there are so few genuinely good mice out there, all these flaws in the sensor are just daft considering over 10 years ago Microsoft hit it 100% perfect on a cheap mouse.
Great Post.Most mice have sensors that are setup incorrectly which produces flaws in one form or another. For most users these flaws aren't an issue, and if you are a high sensitivity gamer (you don't need a whopping mouse mat and you don't move the entire width of it to turn 180 degrees) then many of these flaws are less of a concern.
In my mind there are three things to consider when buying a mouse:
1) How you grip it. Take a look at Razor's pictures here http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/fingertipgrip. If you are a finger tip gripper then you will want a shorter mouse that is low bodied, whereas a palm grip will want a longer and higher curved back mouse and a claw gripper will need a middle length mouse that makes that grip comfortable which in many cases seems to be a low back but in some its a high back
2) The sensor quality and flaws. You want a sensor that works. That is it doesn't breakdown at high speeds of movement, it produces no acceleration (positive or negative), it performs consistently with no jitter and it doesn't have lift off Z axis issues. Finding mice without these flaws is incredibly difficult as none of the manufacturers are really worrying about these flaws even though they should. Ideally the lift off distance is really low as well so you don't get any interactions as you pick it up and move the mouse.
Given that this is the only list I know of genuinely flawless sensors on mice and mice that are close to flawless: http://www.esreality.com/post/2024663/mouses-using-flawless-sensors/
Razor do have a mouse on that list, but its the old deathadder. Recent mice that are very close to perfect are the Zombie AM and the Logitech G400. If its not on that list you can go through the esreality hardware forum looking for reviews by people who know mice really well. They will explain the problems the mouse exhibits and often show you the paint test for that mouse.
Its worth noting that you don't need a laser mouse. The higher DPIs aren't really any use, 3500 dpi is more than enough for a low sensitivity gamer.
3) Weight. The mouse should be as light as possible, 0g being the absolute best. Anything above about 75g is pretty darn heavy, and I once thought it didn't matter until I got a heavy mouse and now I want as light as possible again.
This is what you actually need to worry about for this tool. Its a shame there are so few genuinely good mice out there, all these flaws in the sensor are just daft considering over 10 years ago Microsoft hit it 100% perfect on a cheap mouse.
Untrue, the deathadder was and still is the best mouse. Any mouse that is laser is bad. Optical mice FTW.
I never liked those, when I would take my hand off my mouse my view would move. I guess that's what that guy above meant by having a heavy cord.What do you guys think is the successor to the MX510? Do they still make MX518's?
I've been using Razers for a long time and see no reason to change now. For one thing they are so much better that they do last longer. And they are so comfortable I dont want to change them out.