Are the Democrats stupid?

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: axiom
Question for you guys.

What is about the Republican party that makes you not align yourself with their policies? I don't care which party you affiliate with now or if you don't affiliate yourself with a party. Specifically I am curious as to what the Republican party is doing wrong that doesn't convince you.

They are against woman's rights. They are for the murder of people that are incarcerated. They want the rich to have as much money as possible while letting the poor starve. They don't care about the environment. They want to butt into every other countrys' business. They want corporations to reap large sums of money with little interferience from government even if that means mistreatment to their employees. They hate taxes so they wouldn't care if the elderly have to suffer because of lack of mediceine. Plus many other reasons.

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: ScottyB

Originally posted by: axiom Question for you guys. What is about the Republican party that makes you not align yourself with their policies? I don't care which party you affiliate with now or if you don't affiliate yourself with a party. Specifically I am curious as to what the Republican party is doing wrong that doesn't convince you.

They are against woman's rights. They are for the murder of people that are incarcerated. They want the rich to have as much money as possible while letting the poor starve. They don't care about the environment. They want to butt into every other countrys' business. They want corporations to reap large sums of money with little interferience from government even if that means mistreatment to their employees. They hate taxes so they wouldn't care if the elderly have to suffer because of lack of mediceine. Plus many other reasons.

I truly think you are misinformed.

Woman's rights.... Hmmmmm.... Condoleeza Rice??? One of the most powerful posistions in the government.

Murder for people that are incarcerated... you can just say pro-capital punishment. And not all Republicans are, but, it's safe to assume the majority is.

They want the rich to have..ect. ect. Please do some research on that one or just read some of the tax threads.

But into every countries business- Well, if Clinton had done this a little more, than maybe we wouldn't have had the 9/11 incident. But, in all fairness, I think this holds true for all politicinas.

Corporations- That's just stupid. Doesn't Bush want to eliminate the dividend tax?? That helps you and me. And about mistreating their employees... that is NOT the governments concern. That responsibility lies on the Board of Trustees or the employee.

Please please please do a little research. Republicans are far from perfect, but they aren't as bad as you think.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We are a lot smarter than the fascist regime known as the republicans.

Facists? Republicans? It's the democrats that are trying to take away your guns.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We are a lot smarter than the fascist regime known as the republicans.

Facists? Republicans? It's the democrats that are trying to take away your guns.

Fascists don't like guns?

 

[flavio]

No, but a facicst actively wishes to take away rights regardless of who it affects.

Oh, you mean like in the Patriot Act?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: axiom
What rights are taken away in the Patriot Act?

Here's some theories on that one.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
Are the Democrats stupid?

Maybe it was professional courtesy. Bush is nobody's brainchild. Even with speaches written by others, he speaks like a moron. I was glad he offered to have Colin Powell present real evidence to the U.N. Security Council about Sadam, but I'll withhold judgment on that until I see what is presented. Sadam is a documented asshole monster, but if we're going to play shoot-'em-up, it had better be with damned good reason to do it now and with no better alternative.

Originally posted by: charrison
Yes he just slammed the president on the envirement after Bush wanted to reduce emissions by 75% in the next 15 years. And is also looks like domestic oil is less important that wildlife.

Considering Bush's contributor list, his history, his current actions, I have absolutely no faith in his words. Christie Todd Whitman, Bush's head of the EPA, has advocated to gut about every environmental advance in the last half century. After the multiple economic scandals of Enron, Arthur Anderson, Global Crossing, along with multiple stock brokerages etc., many rules and laws were proposed to stop such abuse. Various administration officials have quietly gutted the meat in every one of these rules and laws before they had a chance of coming into force and doing some real good. Of course, VP Dick Cheyney continues to sidestep any responsiblity for his like performance as CEO of Halliburton.

AFIC, Bush talking about hydrogen technology is just so many empty words until he shows me some real action. Even then, it's a single shallow, incomplete gesture in a direction that he, and previous Republican administrations, have blocked for decades.

Originally posted by: axiom
What rights are taken away in the Patriot Act?

It is unconstitutional to hold any American citizen without charge and without access to legal council, but wannabe führer, John Ashcroft doesn't give a damn about the Constitution unless he happens to find phrases in it he thinks support his perverse understanding of it in furtherance of his own religious agenda. Ashcroft is possibly the scariest man in America, today.

 

[LakAttack]

There a couple of very good reasons the dems picked a gov-nuh to deliver the rebuttal. One reason is that he is not "inside the belt-way." That allows him to criticize the President's policies while looking somewhat like an outsider and not a contentious partisan in Congress. I think the more important reason is that the Dem leadership is comprised of LOSERS. Dashle and Gephardt are largely responsible for a terrible mid-term election, so fvck them. I know I don't want them speaking for my party. And the new house leader doesn't have credibility yet. The governor elections went much better for democrats, so why not put a WINNER forward for a very important speech.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

the question isn't if they are, its why.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: axiom

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: axiom
What rights are taken away in the Patriot Act?

Here's some theories on that one.

Whois results for phillypeace.org
Link
Who are these people? Why do they forgoe common contact information? Hmm, I wonder.

Hmm, who the hell cares?

On to the Patriot Act. If this bill supposedly strips your rights, why did 129 Democrats in the House vote for it? This thread is about Democrats right?
Source

From your link "Before final passage, the modified PATRIOT Act (HR 2975) was met by robust opposition on the floor by House Democrats".

Your link also seems to point out the rights that would be given up by this republican sponsored bill.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
As I am watching the Democratic response of the State of the Union speech, I am looking. Who the hell is this guy? The Washington governor? Gary Locke? Who the hell cares what he has to say? He has nothing to do with the government, let him handle his own state. I think this is pure idiocy by the Democratic party, ONCE again.

You're right he's no name like Congresswoman Jennifer Dunne who gave the Republican rebuttal in 1999, nor like Bill Frist who gave the rebuttal in 2000 when he was a nobody.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: axiom

They are against woman's rights. They are for the murder of people that are incarcerated. They want the rich to have as much money as possible while letting the poor starve. They don't care about the environment. They want to butt into every other countrys' business. They want corporations to reap large sums of money with little interferience from government even if that means mistreatment to their employees. They hate taxes so they wouldn't care if the elderly have to suffer because of lack of mediceine. Plus many other reasons.

ROFL. Are these your own words?

See, this is why I don't argue with liberals. I get the feeling (based on their arguments) that most democrats don't become democrats by thought or reasoning. I feel they hear others make points that sound like a popular idea to the non-thinker, and they just go along. They make general statements ("They want the rich to have as much money as possible while letting the poor starve. They don't care about the environment.") that don't have a shred of truth to them. I have yet to hear a sound, logical argument supporting the liberal agenda. From what I've seen, democrats are usually individuals who don't take the time to research the issues or think about them logically (or else they don't fully understand them), and take the easy route of basing their political opinions on what celebrities tell them to believe.

What is the quote? "If you're not a democrat in your 20's you have no heart. But if you're not republican by the time you're 30, you have to brain."

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: axiom

robust opposition on the floor by House Democrats

Since when does robust opposition call for one to vote for the bill? I would think that if you are the opposition you would vote against the bill. So why did 129 Democrats vote for HR 2975?

I assuming that the majority of robust opposition was from those who didn't vote in favor. I could ask you if all Democrats want to steal your guns then why do so many Democrats own guns?

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: axiom

robust opposition on the floor by House Democrats

Since when does robust opposition call for one to vote for the bill? I would think that if you are the opposition you would vote against the bill. So why did 129 Democrats vote for HR 2975?

I assuming that the majority of robust opposition was from those who didn't vote in favor. I could ask you if all Democrats want to steal your guns then why do so many Democrats own guns?

Yep, I own a 12-gauge shotgun and my dad has a .30-06, a .35, a 30/30, a .22 and a 12-gauge shotgun.

 

[matmax]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this guy isn't particularly bright.

you're right he's not. the pathetic thing is, is that this is the best the democrats can do. since Bush's inaugural the democrats have really proposed nothing of any substance. it's so bad in their party that they have to settle for this guy to represent them to the nation.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: matmax

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this guy isn't particularly bright.

you're right he's not. the pathetic thing is, is that this is the best the democrats can do. since Bush's inaugural the democrats have really proposed nothing of any substance. it's so bad in their party that they have to settle for this guy to represent them to the nation.

Holy crap! He's leaps and bounds more intelligent than BUSH>

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: matmax

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this guy isn't particularly bright.

you're right he's not. the pathetic thing is, is that this is the best the democrats can do. since Bush's inaugural the democrats have really proposed nothing of any substance. it's so bad in their party that they have to settle for this guy to represent them to the nation.

Holy crap! He's leaps and bounds more intelligent than BUSH>

But the democrats have still said what their long term economic growth plan is. They just pointed out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would handle the war on terror. They just point out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would find OBL. Just that Bush has not done it.
Democrats have not said how they would balance the budget during a slow recovery. They just offer more spending bill and say that Bush is spending too much.

The democrats are currently nothing more than the opposition party. They are not currently a party of plans or ideas.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: matmax

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this guy isn't particularly bright.

you're right he's not. the pathetic thing is, is that this is the best the democrats can do. since Bush's inaugural the democrats have really proposed nothing of any substance. it's so bad in their party that they have to settle for this guy to represent them to the nation.

Holy crap! He's leaps and bounds more intelligent than BUSH>

But the democrats have still said what their long term economic growth plan is. They just pointed out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would handle the war on terror. They just point out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would find OBL. Just that Bush has not done it.
Democrats have not said how they would balance the budget during a slow recovery. They just offer more spending bill and say that Bush is spending too much.

The democrats are currently nothing more than the opposition party. They are not currently a party of plans or ideas.

I've seen many suggestions, I think you're just not listening.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: matmax

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this guy isn't particularly bright.

you're right he's not. the pathetic thing is, is that this is the best the democrats can do. since Bush's inaugural the democrats have really proposed nothing of any substance. it's so bad in their party that they have to settle for this guy to represent them to the nation.

Holy crap! He's leaps and bounds more intelligent than BUSH>

But the democrats have still said what their long term economic growth plan is. They just pointed out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would handle the war on terror. They just point out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would find OBL. Just that Bush has not done it.
Democrats have not said how they would balance the budget during a slow recovery. They just offer more spending bill and say that Bush is spending too much.

The democrats are currently nothing more than the opposition party. They are not currently a party of plans or ideas.

I've seen many suggestions, I think you're just not listening.

Fill me in, I have missed them.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: axiom

robust opposition on the floor by House Democrats

Since when does robust opposition call for one to vote for the bill? I would think that if you are the opposition you would vote against the bill. So why did 129 Democrats vote for HR 2975?

I assuming that the majority of robust opposition was from those who didn't vote in favor. I could ask you if all Democrats want to steal your guns then why do so many Democrats own guns?

They might own them, but they dont believe that the average person is smart enough to own them. Arguing about whether they own guns is rather pointless, as that doesnt affect me. What does affect me is how they vote on bills, as that affects policy. By and and large, when more restrictive gun control regulations are proposed/debated and voted on, guess which party has a higher percentage voting in favor of the idea?

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: axiom

robust opposition on the floor by House Democrats

Since when does robust opposition call for one to vote for the bill? I would think that if you are the opposition you would vote against the bill. So why did 129 Democrats vote for HR 2975?

I assuming that the majority of robust opposition was from those who didn't vote in favor. I could ask you if all Democrats want to steal your guns then why do so many Democrats own guns?

They might own them, but they dont believe that the average person is smart enough to own them. Arguing about whether they own guns is rather pointless, as that doesnt affect me. What does affect me is how they vote on bills, as that affects policy. By and and large, when more restrictive gun control regulations are proposed/debated and voted on, guess which party has a higher percentage voting in favor of the idea?

...and which party had a higher percentage voting for the Patriot Act?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: matmax

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this guy isn't particularly bright.

you're right he's not. the pathetic thing is, is that this is the best the democrats can do. since Bush's inaugural the democrats have really proposed nothing of any substance. it's so bad in their party that they have to settle for this guy to represent them to the nation.

Holy crap! He's leaps and bounds more intelligent than BUSH>

But the democrats have still said what their long term economic growth plan is. They just pointed out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would handle the war on terror. They just point out that Bush is wrong.
Democrats have not said how they would find OBL. Just that Bush has not done it.
Democrats have not said how they would balance the budget during a slow recovery. They just offer more spending bill and say that Bush is spending too much.

The democrats are currently nothing more than the opposition party. They are not currently a party of plans or ideas.

I've seen many suggestions, I think you're just not listening.

Fill me in, I have missed them.

Well?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: axiom

robust opposition on the floor by House Democrats

Since when does robust opposition call for one to vote for the bill? I would think that if you are the opposition you would vote against the bill. So why did 129 Democrats vote for HR 2975?

I assuming that the majority of robust opposition was from those who didn't vote in favor. I could ask you if all Democrats want to steal your guns then why do so many Democrats own guns?

They might own them, but they dont believe that the average person is smart enough to own them. Arguing about whether they own guns is rather pointless, as that doesnt affect me. What does affect me is how they vote on bills, as that affects policy. By and and large, when more restrictive gun control regulations are proposed/debated and voted on, guess which party has a higher percentage voting in favor of the idea?

...and which party had a higher percentage voting for the Patriot Act?

I'm not talking about the flaming piece of dog crap that is the Patriot Act. I entered this thread only because of the gun control discussion. I can't say that I like either party. Being a diehard Democrat or a diehard Republican is usually a sign of a person who doesnt bother to learn the actual stands a candidate takes on issues.

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We are a lot smarter than the fascist regime known as the republicans.

Facists? Republicans? It's the democrats that are trying to take away your guns.

Fascists don't like guns?

fascists love guns, they just dont like them in other people's hands.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: charrison

Fill me in, I have missed them.

Look them up yourself.

Originally posted by: Mookow

I'm not talking about the flaming piece of dog crap that is the Patriot Act. I entered this thread only because of the gun control discussion. I can't say that I like either party. Being a diehard Democrat or a diehard Republican is usually a sign of a person who doesnt bother to learn the actual stands a candidate takes on issues.

Hey, we're in agreement on that.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: ScottyB
We are a lot smarter than the fascist regime known as the republicans.

Facists? Republicans? It's the democrats that are trying to take away your guns.

i haven't seen any bill that said they are going to do that.

i dont count the bills for a 7 day waiting period or the back ground check.