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LS21

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i only actively avoid:

best buy
chain restaurants
lame suburban supermarkets (randalls, krogers, tom thumbs, safeway, albertsons)

i would love to include walmart in here except their stuff is sooo cheap but more importantly they basically have EVERYTHING in 1 location is too convenient
 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: herm0016
Originally posted by: adairusmc
REI

??

this seems like an odd one. their prices are a little high if you don't get a membership, but the membership gets you 10% of your yearly purchases back. they have a great selection and their in-house brand stuff is as good or better than any name brand.

i would rather not go to walmart, but its all we really have in rock springs, also, not a big fan of best buy. I like to go to local owned businesses when i can.

My problem with the REI store close to here is that there is a Cabelas store right across the street.

I bought a north face down parka this winter, got it at cabelas not on sale for about $250ish. Went over to REI, and it was $129 more for the same exact parka. RAPE.

That, and cabelas is several billion times superior to REI.
 

grrl

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
You on eBay.

LOL.

Walmart, because I find it so depressing and Target's prices are good enough.

I also boycott Starbucks - overpriced mediocrity. And Applebees.


Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Except BH PhotoVideo, just about every "camera" store located anywhere in New York or New Jersey.

Beach Camera/BuyDig is fine too. B&H is better, but Beach Camera is legit. Main reason I shop there is because their B&M store is convenient for me. They try to upsell you, but you just have to keep saying no.

Beach is good. I used to do a lot with Adorama too.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
Originally posted by: herm0016
Originally posted by: adairusmc
REI

??

this seems like an odd one. their prices are a little high if you don't get a membership, but the membership gets you 10% of your yearly purchases back. they have a great selection and their in-house brand stuff is as good or better than any name brand.

i would rather not go to walmart, but its all we really have in rock springs, also, not a big fan of best buy. I like to go to local owned businesses when i can.

My problem with the REI store close to here is that there is a Cabelas store right across the street.

I bought a north face down parka this winter, got it at cabelas not on sale for about $250ish. Went over to REI, and it was $129 more for the same exact parka. RAPE.

That, and cabelas is several billion times superior to REI.

True. I used to shop at REI all the time in the late 80s/early 90s, but then they became trendy. The prices rocketed up to take advantage of idiots with HELOC bank accounts, and I imagine their sales have dropped by a fair margin recently. The REI clothing and products always had excellent quality, but they USED to be inexpensive -- not any more! It's a fun store to walk around, but my only recent purchases have been from their online outlet.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
Originally posted by: herm0016
Originally posted by: adairusmc
REI

??

this seems like an odd one. their prices are a little high if you don't get a membership, but the membership gets you 10% of your yearly purchases back. they have a great selection and their in-house brand stuff is as good or better than any name brand.

i would rather not go to walmart, but its all we really have in rock springs, also, not a big fan of best buy. I like to go to local owned businesses when i can.

My problem with the REI store close to here is that there is a Cabelas store right across the street.

I bought a north face down parka this winter, got it at cabelas not on sale for about $250ish. Went over to REI, and it was $129 more for the same exact parka. RAPE.

That, and cabelas is several billion times superior to REI.




When you asked REI if they would price-match the competition, that's when they started to rape you?

I'd stay out as well.

 

herm0016

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
Originally posted by: herm0016
Originally posted by: adairusmc
REI

??

this seems like an odd one. their prices are a little high if you don't get a membership, but the membership gets you 10% of your yearly purchases back. they have a great selection and their in-house brand stuff is as good or better than any name brand.

i would rather not go to walmart, but its all we really have in rock springs, also, not a big fan of best buy. I like to go to local owned businesses when i can.

My problem with the REI store close to here is that there is a Cabelas store right across the street.

I bought a north face down parka this winter, got it at cabelas not on sale for about $250ish. Went over to REI, and it was $129 more for the same exact parka. RAPE.

That, and cabelas is several billion times superior to REI.


for the most part they are going for different markets, cabelas does not carry any climbing gear, anything remotely light weight for backpacking. i do agree though, REI sometimes has much higher prices on some things, but freqwent sales and 10% off everything when you are a member of the Co-Op.
 

JDub02

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I refuse to purchase General Electric products or watch their TV stations until Jeff Immelt is no longer the CEO.
I won't buy a GM or Chrysler until the bailout money has been paid back and the government/UAW no longer has control over either of them.
 

Muse

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None I can think of offhand. But, yes, I'd think twice about flying Non-Skeddo Airlines. That's an invention of Lenny Bruce in one of his standup comedy routines in which he pretends he's onboard a hole-in-the-wall airline and sends up the idea that they fly by the seat of their pants. That plane that went down a few weeks ago seems to qualify.

Originally posted by: KMFJD
Gamestop, Wall-Mart, Burger King, NCIX.com
I'm going into a Wal-Mart today. Reason: the item will be cheapest there in all likelihood.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
REI

I don't often go in there. I was given an REI giftcard, and still have ~27 bucks on it. I went in there to look for something and saw a kid with a camping mat that I instantly realized I could make excellent use of, and bought one.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
Originally posted by: nutxo
Costco.

Lack of a social conscience, destruction of low income neighborhoods and numerous criminal activities .

They do paint themselves pretty well though.

I'm not a fan of "big-box" type stores in general, but I didn't know Costco was as bad as WalMart. Links?

There are no links It was all covered up nicely but I was there. We won against costco and they still managed to get a midnight session with the city council ( no public notification ) and got to build a parking lot and a driveway through a city park. Its a very long story. Maybe Ill tell it again someday.

I do hear costco pays better than walmart though. I guess that makes up for everything in some people miinds.

:laugh: :thumbsup: to Costco for destroying low-income neighborhoods and bringing in jobs that pay better than most other retail stores.

Costco??? In my experience they are the friend of those who don't have money to burn. Obviously their employees are not earning too well, but that's bound to be the case in any low margin operation. Surely they do better than people working at Wal-mart.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Costco

First time I walked through the doors they trifled with me over my manner of ingress, so I decided I'd never enter the place again.

I have my pride, but I don't let it get the better of me. Don't be silly.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I've been to Costco a few times, but there is really very little that I ever need/want there, at least in the brands and/or quantities they offer. Maybe if I had a big family it would make more sense, but going into that place is more annoying than anything.

KT

I don't shop at Costco because I live alone, and there is no way I need bulk quantities of anything.

My parents still shop at Costco monthly, just as they did when I was growing up. I used to think it was OK but now I just see it as unnecessary.

Regarding food, Costco sells bulk sizes. Since the products are designed to have a long shelf life, they are processed foods that require numerous additives and preservatives. For this reason alone they are not as healthy as fresh food products. Also, when you have large packaging sizes available, you tend to eat more than you otherwise would. There is a correlation between bulk food and obesity.

Products are shipped into the warehouses from long distances, which uses tremendous amounts of fossil fuels. The warehouses require a large footprint, and given the price and availability of land, it is cheaper and easier to locate them in less-developed areas (such as in city outskirts). This necessitates vehicle use, since these areas are not served by transit (of course, you also need a vehicle to carry the bulk quantities of goods). Because of the high vehicle use, you need large parking lots - more land use. Of course, high vehicle use also increases air pollution. I agree with nutxo - the big box format does destroy arable land and parks in many instances.

(Notable exception: a newer Costco in downtown Vancouver on existing zoned land. However, this is a ridiculous location since many people living downtown don't drive cars and thus wouldn't be able to carry home bulk products. And where would they have space in their small condos to store bulk quantities of popcorn and toilet paper? All this location does is increase traffic congestion from people driving INTO downtown to go to Costco. Fucking stupid. But I digress...)

Apart from the occasional deal on a BBQ or a cheap DVD player, I haven't seen many products that I need or even desire at Costco. You can find a greater selection of these products at other stores (albeit sometimes at a slightly higher price). But then, at specialized stores, you also get specialized customer service and product knowledge that you often don't get at Costco.

For the record, I worked at Costco as a warehouse person a few years ago. I needed a summer job and it was the only one I could get. They treated me well, and the benefits were good, had I stayed. However, after only a month, I left and accepted a job as a bellhop at a local hotel. The base pay was $2.50 per hour higher, plus I earned a shitload in tips, which I couldn't have done at Costco.

Cliffs:
Costco may be better than other warehouse retailers (e.g. WalMart) in offering slightly higher pay, good benefits, and some good business practices (no union-busting or discrimination, as far as I have read), but in the end, they are still a big box retailer.

Big box stores encourage overconsumption, disproportionately harm the environment in multiple ways compared to smaller retail stores, and harm local businesses.

I agree they are a bad thing; I'm just not sure why nutxo is singling out Costco when they are actually among the better of a bad breed. Why not rip on WalMart too?

I too live alone but benefit greatly by patronizing Costco. I don't buy the processed food items. They have many items that work fine for me. I buy 50 lb. bags of white flour, which keeps fine (I bake all my bread, etc.). I buy large bags of sugar (keeps fine), I buy my meat there and freeze, better prices than local supermarkets. I buy nonfat dry milk there at by far the best price. Gas is cheaper there and I get rebates too. I get my tires there. I buy my underwear there. I've bought some good clothes there on occasion, although I usually don't bother to look at that stuff. I get my vitamins there at good prices, shaving accessories ditto. All in all I save a lot of money and save trips to the store. Not all the items are what I'd call bulk, but they are multiple item packaged. For some things that's fine, such as an 8 pack of canned baked beans, tuna, a double of jam, etc. I'm very selective and seldom buy anything that isn't on my shopping list.

I see no reason to suppose that the transit distances of the merchandise at Costco is greater than for other sources.
Your argument about transportation, well how many people don't take their cars when they buy groceries? I take my bike and I used to take my bike to Costco, I seemed to be the only guy who did, but once I got a car, I use that, although I only make a Costco run every 2 months or so. I piggyback my car errands, do them at once.

Big box stores is a trend in America that has been increasing for a couple of decades and it isn't going away anytime soon. In the current ecomony, Wal-Mart is doing better than the rest. They are year over year showing improved profit. Costco last I heard was off ~5%, a problem but far from devastating.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
I dont refuse to do business with anyone. If someone wants to sell me something dirt cheap, ill probably go for it if its something i was looking to buy.

:thumbsup:
 

InflatableBuddha

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Originally posted by: Muse

I too live alone but benefit greatly by patronizing Costco. I don't buy the processed food items. They have many items that work fine for me. I buy 50 lb. bags of white flour, which keeps fine (I bake all my bread, etc.). I buy large bags of sugar (keeps fine), I buy my meat there and freeze, better prices than local supermarkets. I buy nonfat dry milk there at by far the best price. Gas is cheaper there and I get rebates too. I get my tires there. I buy my underwear there. I've bought some good clothes there on occasion, although I usually don't bother to look at that stuff. I get my vitamins there at good prices, shaving accessories ditto. All in all I save a lot of money and save trips to the store. Not all the items are what I'd call bulk, but they are multiple item packaged. For some things that's fine, such as an 8 pack of canned baked beans, tuna, a double of jam, etc. I'm very selective and seldom buy anything that isn't on my shopping list.

I see no reason to suppose that the transit distances of the merchandise at Costco is greater than for other sources.
Your argument about transportation, well how many people don't take their cars when they buy groceries? I take my bike and I used to take my bike to Costco, I seemed to be the only guy who did, but once I got a car, I use that, although I only make a Costco run every 2 months or so. I piggyback my car errands, do them at once.

Big box stores is a trend in America that has been increasing for a couple of decades and it isn't going away anytime soon. In the current ecomony, Wal-Mart is doing better than the rest. They are year over year showing improved profit. Costco last I heard was off ~5%, a problem but far from devastating.


I'm not debating that many of the products are cheaper at Costco; I'm just saying they are cheaper at a cost.

White flour and sugar - you can buy 10lb bags at the supermarket. The whole grain bread I buy at my local supermarket is made about 50-60 km from where I live - not far. Meat - I can buy in bulk on sale at my local supermarket. Underwear and clothes - plenty of good deals at a department store or mall. Vitamins, shaving accessories, etc - local drug store.

The advertised price for gas is cheaper, but in reality, you are really not saving much. After all, you burned more gas to drive to the outlying area where Costco is, compared to a store in the city, and because of the increased distance, it took longer.

You're absolutely right that most people do drive to get groceries; Costco just expands on that. I can make a few small trips to the store on my way home from work (walking or transit), but with Costco, I have to drive (can't reach it otherwise). Anyways, how can I carry more than 1 case of beans or tuna on my bike? The whole point of Costco is to buy a whole bunch of stuff at once, and that's not conducive to being on foot or bike.

Combining trips is definitely smart; I do that too.

I'll cede that the distance the goods travel is too great pretty much anywhere you shop (goods from China, produce from South America, etc.)

No doubt the big box phenomenon is expanding and will continue to do so. It's just that most people are not aware of the hidden costs of cheap stuff at big box stores, as I mentioned above (destroys farm and parkland, increases urban sprawl, increases car use and corresponding air pollution, harms local businesses etc.)

WalMart is in the same boat, except they treat their employees worse. And as others pointed out, WalMart does better financially because they cater to lower-income shoppers than Costco. This is obviously more attractive during a recession.

I'm not attacking you; just raising awareness.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha


I'm not debating that many of the products are cheaper at Costco; I'm just saying they are cheaper at a cost.

White flour and sugar - you can buy 10lb bags at the supermarket. The whole grain bread I buy at my local supermarket is made about 50-60 km from where I live - not far. Meat - I can buy in bulk on sale at my local supermarket. Underwear and clothes - plenty of good deals at a department store or mall. Vitamins, shaving accessories, etc - local drug store.

The advertised price for gas is cheaper, but in reality, you are really not saving much. After all, you burned more gas to drive to the outlying area where Costco is, compared to a store in the city, and because of the increased distance, it took longer.

You're absolutely right that most people do drive to get groceries; Costco just expands on that. I can make a few small trips to the store on my way home from work (walking or transit), but with Costco, I have to drive (can't reach it otherwise). Anyways, how can I carry more than 1 case of beans or tuna on my bike? The whole point of Costco is to buy a whole bunch of stuff at once, and that's not conducive to being on foot or bike.

Combining trips is definitely smart; I do that too.

I'll cede that the distance the goods travel is too great pretty much anywhere you shop (goods from China, produce from South America, etc.)

No doubt the big box phenomenon is expanding and will continue to do so. It's just that most people are not aware of the hidden costs of cheap stuff at big box stores, as I mentioned above (destroys farm and parkland, increases urban sprawl, increases car use and corresponding air pollution, harms local businesses etc.)

WalMart is in the same boat, except they treat their employees worse. And as others pointed out, WalMart does better financially because they cater to lower-income shoppers than Costco. This is obviously more attractive during a recession.

I'm not attacking you; just raising awareness.
Your 10 lb. bags at the supermarket are lb. for lb. more expensive. Your whole grain bread was made with flour that traveled just as far as that I buy at Costco, and I make my bread for 1/4 what yours costs, probably less. Your meat costs more than mine. Your vitamins probably also cost more. I've compared.

Gas is cheaper, but I don't make a special trip to gas up at Costco. I just gas up while I'm there, yes even if I'm only down 1/4 tank. After all, I only use one of my cars every 3-4 weeks on average. How much Costco stuff can you fit on a bike? Believe it or not I routinely carried 80 lb. home. One time I went over 100 lb. but that was pushing it. I have a special basket I used to attach to the back of my bike when I did Costco runs. My Costco is around 5 miles away. I don't make special trips to Costco. I keep a list and get everything I need at once. Having two cars and rarely using them, I have to take them out once in a while just to keep them working OK. 95% of the time I go to Costco it's on one of those trips, and I also take care of any other errands that require a car.

The best argument against big box stores that you make is IMO the detriment to local businesses. Still, I refuse to go into the corner store across the street. One of my housemates was once mugged with a handgun in there. I avoid it almost entirely. Most of their clientele probably never go into Costco, but I prefer Costco. I am much happier being in Costco than the local Safeway supermarkets. Talk about la la! :roll:



 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: adairusmc
Originally posted by: herm0016
Originally posted by: adairusmc
REI

??

this seems like an odd one. their prices are a little high if you don't get a membership, but the membership gets you 10% of your yearly purchases back. they have a great selection and their in-house brand stuff is as good or better than any name brand.

i would rather not go to walmart, but its all we really have in rock springs, also, not a big fan of best buy. I like to go to local owned businesses when i can.

My problem with the REI store close to here is that there is a Cabelas store right across the street.

I bought a north face down parka this winter, got it at cabelas not on sale for about $250ish. Went over to REI, and it was $129 more for the same exact parka. RAPE.

That, and cabelas is several billion times superior to REI.




When you asked REI if they would price-match the competition, that's when they started to rape you?

I'd stay out as well.

I would never ask REI to match anything I got at cabelas. I would rather my money to go the superior store - cabelas even if REI would price match or beat the price.
 
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