Are these pitchers HOFer?

[PlatinumGold]

Tom Glavine
David Cone
Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Mike Mussina
Andy Pettite
Kevin Brown


WOW, what a list.

 

[TheBDB]

Johnson, Clemens, and Maddux for sure

 

[Howard]

Why don't you check?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Howard
Why don't you check?

you know that most of these pitchers are either currently active ( or in the case of Cone to recently retired) to be considered for the HOF right?

 

[RaiseUp]

Tom Glavine-N
David Cone-N
Pedro Martinez-Y
Randy Johnson-Y
Roger Clemens-Y
Greg Maddux-Y
Mike Mussina-Y
Andy Pettite-N
Kevin Brown-n

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Howard
Why don't you check?

you know that most of these pitchers are either currently active ( or in the case of Cone to recently retired) to be considered for the HOF right?

So then the answer is no?

 

[dangereuxjeux]

what RaiseUp said, minus Mussina. Pedro.. he's borderline.

 

[PlatinumGold]

G GS CG IP H R HR BB SO K/9 W L P/GS WHIP BAA ERA

538 538 52 3534.1 3383 1484 269 1208 2138 5.44 252 157 101.5 1.30 .254 3.43


388 388 53 2677.2 2516 1123 280 601 2129 7.16 199 112 105.2 1.16 .248 3.56


glavine career vs mussina career.

i'd say mussina needs a 4 or 5 more good years before he's a lock.

 

[NeoV]

too early for Mussina...200 W's doesn't get you in

Brown won't be around long enough...Glavine is a possible, Cone = no, Pedro - probably, his era vs the league avg the past 5 years is one of the more impressive runs by a staring pitcher in league history....your boy Pettite has a ways to go, and now his elbow is bad again....

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: RaiseUp
Tom Glavine-N
David Cone-N
Pedro Martinez-Y
Randy Johnson-Y
Roger Clemens-Y
Greg Maddux-Y
Mike Mussina-Y
Andy Pettite-N
Kevin Brown-n

You would put in Mussina over Glavine?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: NeoV
too early for Mussina...200 W's doesn't get you in

Brown won't be around long enough...Glavine is a possible, Cone = no, Pedro - probably, his era vs the league avg the past 5 years is one of the more impressive runs by a staring pitcher in league history....your boy Pettite has a ways to go, and now his elbow is bad again....

my boy pettite.

makes me sad hearing that as i'm a Braves fan.

 

[Howard]

I misinterpreted your question. Was it "are these pitchers HOF caliber"?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Howard
I misinterpreted your question. Was it "are these pitchers HOF caliber"?

i assumed people would figure that out just looking at the list, as i said, other than Cone, they are all currently active pitchers, making the question pretty obvious.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: RaiseUp
Tom Glavine-N
David Cone-N
Pedro Martinez-Y
Randy Johnson-Y
Roger Clemens-Y
Greg Maddux-Y
Mike Mussina-Y
Andy Pettite-N
Kevin Brown-n

You would put in Mussina over Glavine?

I was thinking the same. Mussina has a chance if he keeps up and/or gets 300 wins. But glavine will get in. MAYBE not his first year, but yea he is in.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Tom Glavine - Borderline
David Cone - No
Pedro Martinez - Definitely, he was probably the most dominating pitcher of all time
Randy Johnson - Yes
Roger Clemens - Of course, one of the best ever
Greg Maddux - Of course
Mike Mussina - Depends, but right now I would say no.
Andy Pettite - Definitely not, no chance in hell, IMO.
Kevin Brown - Depends, but right now I would say no. If he gives 2-3 years like last season, then possibly.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: RaiseUp
Tom Glavine-N
David Cone-N
Pedro Martinez-Y
Randy Johnson-Y
Roger Clemens-Y
Greg Maddux-Y
Mike Mussina-Y
Andy Pettite-N
Kevin Brown-n

You would put in Mussina over Glavine?

I was thinking the same. Mussina has a chance if he keeps up and/or gets 300 wins. But glavine will get in. MAYBE not his first year, but yea he is in.

agreed, most people feel glavine is a show in and the only real question regarding glavine is whethor he gets in his first year or not.

 

[Sideswipe001]

Tom Glavine-Y
David Cone-N
Pedro Martinez-Y - if he stays healthy a few more years and effective
Randy Johnson-Y
Roger Clemens-Y
Greg Maddux-Y
Mike Mussina-N
Andy Pettite-N
Kevin Brown-n


I doubt the Nos will have enough effectiveness left in their careers to make it.

 

[Shlong]

Tom Glavine-Very Close (250+ Wins, 2 Cy Youngs, 1 World Series MVP)
David Cone-No
Pedro Martinez-Yes
Randy Johnson-Yes
Roger Clemens-No Doubt (300+ Wins, 1 MVP, 6 Cy Youngs, Top 3 all time in strikeouts)
Greg Maddux-No Doubt (Close to 300, 4 Cy Youngs, 12 straight Gold Gloves)
Mike Mussina-Not Yet (200 Wins, but 0 Cy Youngs, 6 Gold Gloves Though)
Andy Pettite-No
Kevin Brown-No

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Shlong
Tom Glavine-Very Close (250+ Wins, 2 Cy Youngs, 1 World Series MVP)
David Cone-No
Pedro Martinez-Yes
Randy Johnson-Yes
Roger Clemens-No Doubt (300+ Wins, 1 MVP, 6 Cy Youngs, Top 3 all time in strikeouts)
Greg Maddux-No Doubt (Close to 300, 4 Cy Youngs, 12 straight Gold Gloves)
Mike Mussina-Not Yet (200 Wins, but 0 Cy Youngs, 6 Gold Gloves Though)
Andy Pettite-No
Kevin Brown-No

glavine going to the mets hurt his chances at getting in the HOF a bit, just like Roberto Alomar hurt his chances by going to the mets.

hmmmm, is this a trend?

 

[murphy55d]

Tom Glavine - Definitely
David Cone - No
Pedro Martinez - Definite
Randy Johnson - Definite
Roger Clemens - duh
Greg Maddux - duh again
Mike Mussina - no, but rhe closest to HOF of the "no" votes in my group here
Andy Pettite - no f'in way, look at his career numbers
Kevin Brown - not a chance, he has 1 20 win season in his career

This is the hall of fame..not the Hall of Very Good

 

[mpitts]

Glavine - Yes
Cone - No
Martinez - No
Johnson - Yes
Clemens - Yes
Maddux - Yes
Mussina - No
Pettite - No
Brown - No

Martinez is the only one who I said no to that has a realistic shot at getting in if he stays healthy and pitches for another 3-4 years.

Mussina will retire LONG before he gets close to 300 wins. Glavine, on the other hand, wanted a 4 year deal so he would have a realistic shot at 300.

 

[PlatinumGold]

300 wins = guarantee IN the HOF. < 300 wins does NOT mean not in the HOF.

Mussina doesn't have to get 300 wins to get in the HOF, but his problem is, he doesn't have a lot of things that make him stand out. if he had performed exceptionally in either of the last two WS, he might be given more consideration, but he just kind of wilted.

he is an exceptionally professional and consistent performer but he doesn't strike me as an amazing performer. glavine falls in that category also but he's done it for longer and he has won a WS ring.

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: TheBDB
Johnson, Clemens, and Maddux for sure

Those were the three in my mind that were Yes's for sure. All the rest are no's except for Perdo who is a maybe.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: mpitts
Glavine - Yes
Cone - No
Martinez - No
Johnson - Yes
Clemens - Yes
Maddux - Yes
Mussina - No
Pettite - No
Brown - No

Martinez is the only one who I said no to that has a realistic shot at getting in if he stays healthy and pitches for another 3-4 years.

Mussina will retire LONG before he gets close to 300 wins. Glavine, on the other hand, wanted a 4 year deal so he would have a realistic shot at 300.

I bolded your ridiculous statement. Compare Martinez's stats to Koufax (one of the greatest pitchers of all time, hands down), right now, right this instant. Then look at Martinez's ERA+ in his prime years, and think about how he did this in a hitter's era and against the DH. Thanks, come again.

 

[Electric Amish]

You can't leave Coney out!!!

Most on the list are too early to tell.

I pretty much agree with mpitts except for his exclusion of Cone.