Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[biostud]

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Somebody wants to get rid of their stock before new arrivals…

 

[amenx]

Not sure where you get that idea of limited stock. 4080, 7900 XT have more or less been in stock continuously. 4070 Ti shipped in mass quantities. Individual stores report having hundreds of 70 Ti cards in stock.

4090, 7900XTX sold out, that was still over a hundred thousand cards. Wealthy people just want Halo cards.

Not talking about the halo cards because these dont compete with the old stock. Thats why Nv released 160k units of 4090 but only 30k units of 4080 and marked it at a silly price for its tier. Why do you think that was? I know ppl who were waiting for the 4080 but then bought a 3080ti when they saw the price. Did you not think this was planned to work that way?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Not talking about the halo cards because these dont compete with the old stock. Thats why Nv released 160k units of 4090 but only 30k units of 4080 and marked it at a silly price for its tier.

Citation?

 

[amenx]

Citation?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593822852490432512

 

[Heartbreaker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593822852490432512

So your source is a WCCFTech rumor.

 

[amenx]

So your source is a WCCFTech rumor.

Well it would make sense if they were trying to clear out old stock. Theres no way they would bring tons of 4080s @ $1200.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It depends on your definition of cheap. I consider anything under $350 or so cheap.

Yeah you're a 4090 buyer, not really someone to speak for budget gamers and what's cheap

 

[SteveGrabowski]

You're right that they are more like $230, but it's still a lot of power at that price. That six year old card can still handle most games fine as long as you don't turn up all the settings and resolution. Game graphics haven't improved much in that period except for things like RT.

Could also end up like my brother who bought a 1080 Ti used and had it die on him in less than a year from only playing Apex and WOW 5-10 hours a week. Was an old card then and a couple of years later it's a really old card and any 1080 Ti you buy today is likely to have tons of hours on it. When you're buying in that price range it usually means replacing it in a year would be tough.

 

[Aapje]

I think that a new 6600 or 6600 XT makes most sense if you are on a under $300 budget, or a preloved 1660 S.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

As someone looking at cards near the bottom, it's very grim at $200 or less ($300 CDN or less). Things really haven't improved since the RX 480, from 2016, from 6 years, and several GPU generations ago.

Which is why I laugh when people complain like it's the end of PC gaming when higher end cards only get a small perf/$ upgrade in one generation

Try no upgrade at all for 3+ generations.

Yeah that 480 8GB for $240 was a hell of a deal, as was the 580 8GB for $240. Even the 1060 6GB for $260 was pretty nice too. It has only been recently that those cards really fell off for 1080p.

But we complain about prices of the high end cards because it's like a rising tide that lifts the prices of everything else too. Look at how Nvidia has normalized $300 for a 3050 that's 10% weaker than the 2060. AMD too, can't say I was happy paying $380 for the RX 6700 XT that was like an RX 480 tier card replacement but I pulled the trigger since I didn't want to wait until RTX 5000 / RX 8000 series to get cards that moved the price to performance needle much again.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Well it would make sense if they were trying to clear out old stock. Theres no way they would bring tons of 4080s @ $1200.

Is 4080 at $1200 really going to impair clearing last generation?

It would make even more sense that they would limit stock of 4070Ti, because it's much more in line with performance of last generation cards, and costs $400 less than 4080.

But all signs are that they delivered a massive stock dump of 4070 Ti.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I think that a new 6600 or 6600 XT makes most sense if you are on a under $300 budget, or a preloved 1660 S.

-Or 6600xt used.

RDNA2 card prices have been far, far less sticky than NV card prices.

No doubt you could snag a used 6600xt for sub $200 at this point.

 

[beginner99]

Ada and RDNA 3 inventory has been abysmal since they were launched. Purposely so to clear out old stocks. In weeks or a few months, there will be tons of cards pouring in that will depress prices significantly. Almost certain of it.

This gets repeated all the time and I rpeated I see absolutley no big stock og 6000 or 3000 series cards here in Europe. anything at 6800 XT / 3080 or higher is simply out of stock or grossly overpriced.
Even 3070 Ti are as much as $800 new. 6750 XT was very briefly available for a good price of $450. for like 1 week. now same card is listed at $570 and out of stock.
Even used market is pretty insane. 6800xt/3080 go for $600ish, mined-on 3090s for >$800.

4090, 7900XTX sold out, that was still over a hundred thousand cards. Wealthy people just want Halo cards.

Has nothing to do with halo cards but simply that both the 4090 and 7900XTX are better value than the 4080 or 7900XT, literally better performance/dollar. If you can spend that much, I guess paying even more for better value makes sense.

Is 4080 at $1200 really going to impair clearing last generation?

It would make even more sense that they would limit stock of 4070Ti, because it's much more in line with performance of last generation cards, and costs $400 less than 4080.

But all signs are that they delivered a massive stock dump of 4070 Ti.

As said above, the demand is still high, I see a complete lack of old stock here so the pricing of the 4070 Ti even if available in volume makes sense. You pay about the same as for a mined-on 3090 but get a new card with similar performance (but less vram). Even used 6800xt/3080 for $600 are seemingly worse value or not clearly better. I'm in the market, still on a 290x (yes...) and that is what I'm thinking. I have waited so long, yeah I will not pay $900 for a 4070 Ti but I do not see prices coming down anytime soon as rumors (maybe now confirmed) all big 3 Intel, AMD and NV have cancelled TSMC orders and prefer paying a fine than producing at volume with lower prices.
I have never seen the $600 6800xt deals here, I never seen a $750 6900xt here. and so forth. So here, the 4070 Ti, even in high number and with this price will sell. not sell out but still sell rather well as it is the best option for a new card in that performance/price segment.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Fk me, the 6700 XT I got in November started blackscreening while web browsing of all things. Now I'm ready to send it back to Amazon for a refund and just slap my 1660 Super back in the system and wait for whatever $500 card Nvidia puts out this summer. Though could be the PSU too, just installed a Corsair RM750x about a week ago. Ugh and I was really enjoying this card too. Ugh that's going to fun stress testing, pulling out the RM750x and installing my Bitfenix Formula 450 Gold and stress testing with that again.

EDIT: Maybe it's just a driver problem, because I have been playing Elden Ring at 1800p fine pulling 205W for the last hour and the game is running as well as ever.

 

[amenx]

This gets repeated all the time and I rpeated I see absolutley no big stock og 6000 or 3000 series cards here in Europe. anything at 6800 XT / 3080 or higher is simply out of stock or grossly overpriced.
Even 3070 Ti are as much as $800 new. 6750 XT was very briefly available for a good price of $450. for like 1 week. now same card is listed at $570 and out of stock.

Yes, NOW old stocks seem to have cleared, as opposed to a couple months ago. Still believe (yes opinion) that initial new inventory was meager to start with.

The whole crux of my (opinionated) reasoning that prices (on 4080, 4070ti) have to drop eventually is based on Nvidias (presumed) massive pre-payments to TSMC to secure sufficient fab space for Ada when economy was in better shape. I dont think TSMC will give them back their money. At best they may lower production for them a few months but eventually larger volumes will have to flow into the markets. And I dont think they will sell millions of 4080s and 4070ti's at their current pricing.

 

[biostud]

This gets repeated all the time and I rpeated I see absolutley no big stock og 6000 or 3000 series cards here in Europe. anything at 6800 XT / 3080 or higher is simply out of stock or grossly overpriced.
Even 3070 Ti are as much as $800 new. 6750 XT was very briefly available for a good price of $450. for like 1 week. now same card is listed at $570 and out of stock.
Even used market is pretty insane. 6800xt/3080 go for $600ish, mined-on 3090s for >$800.

I've just ordered a new 6800XT here in Denmark for $747 with 25% VAT or $598 w/o taxes.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I've just ordered a new 6800XT here in Denmark for $747 with 25% VAT or $598 w/o taxes.

An ASUS liquid cooled 6900 XT was available here in UAE for limited time, much lower than that but now it's slightly more than what you paid. I think you got a pretty good deal. You should feel happy (well, until the 7800 or 7800 XT shows up!).

The taxes part, you know it's just charity for your fat bureaucrats

 

[biostud]

An ASUS liquid cooled 6900 XT was available here in UAE for limited time, much lower than that but now it's slightly more than what you paid. I think you got a pretty good deal. You should feel happy (well, until the 7800 or 7800 XT shows up!).

The taxes part, you know it's just charity for your fat bureaucrats

Nah, I'm paying my wife's (elder care) and my own salary (school)

 

[Aapje]

@amenx

It's unclear how long the TSMC contract runs, to what extent can use the capacity they bought for professional products and to what extent they can simply produce the chips without selling them yet and then produce much fewer chips later.

The biggest issue I see for Nvidia is that sales will just be far too low with these prices and their fixed costs like R&D will weigh heavily on them if they can't sell enough volume. As the availability of production capacity and materials improves and as sales start to flag, I also foresee that competition will get stronger. I think that AMD will need to either lower prices or put out a respin (or much better drivers) to improve perf/$ and that PS5 availability will get much better and you'll actually be able to get it for MSRP, rather than these 'scalper' bundles.

 

[biostud]

@amenx

It's unclear how long the TSMC contract runs, to what extent can use the capacity they bought for professional products and to what extent they can simply produce the chips without selling them yet and then produce much fewer chips later.

The biggest issue I see for Nvidia is that sales will just be far too low with these prices and their fixed costs like R&D will weigh heavily on them if they can't sell enough volume.

But they use smart AI, and it only costs the electricity bill.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

The taxes part, you know it's just charity for your fat bureaucrats

Well, there is the old joke* that everyone in this country survives by doing each others hair. With the odd bit of export thrown inn (mostly beer, butter and bacon)...

*very meta. It's complicated to explain.

 

[beginner99]

I've just ordered a new 6800XT here in Denmark for $747 with 25% VAT or $598 w/o taxes.

ok fair enough I always forget the taxes. Still the 4070 Ti should be available for like $850 or $100 more confirm my point it is not that badly priced for the current market. albeit they will not sell a boat load at that price, that is clear

@amenex

as mentioned all big 3 supposedly have cut orders from TSMC by paying a fine.

 

[Aapje]

as mentioned all big 3 supposedly have cut orders from TSMC by paying a fine.

The rumors don't talk about fines, but extending the contract and then reducing wafers per quarter. So the total number of wafers bought and the price per wafer remain the same, but the volume per quarter is lower. But eventually they still need to sell all the chips made on those wafers.

 

[igor_kavinski]

*very meta. It's complicated to explain.

Please do! Give it your best shot!

Or just post a translation to some article about this phenomenon in ur country

 

[Heartbreaker]

As said above, the demand is still high, I see a complete lack of old stock here so the pricing of the 4070 Ti even if available in volume makes sense. You pay about the same as for a mined-on 3090 but get a new card with similar performance (but less vram). Even used 6800xt/3080 for $600 are seemingly worse value or not clearly better. I'm in the market, still on a 290x (yes...) and that is what I'm thinking. I have waited so long, yeah I will not pay $900 for a 4070 Ti but I do not see prices coming down anytime soon as rumors (maybe now confirmed) all big 3 Intel, AMD and NV have cancelled TSMC orders and prefer paying a fine than producing at volume with lower prices.
I have never seen the $600 6800xt deals here, I never seen a $750 6900xt here. and so forth. So here, the 4070 Ti, even in high number and with this price will sell. not sell out but still sell rather well as it is the best option for a new card in that performance/price segment.

Check my post. You are essentially agreeing with me on the 4070 Ti. Do you disagree on what I said about 4080.

Because I was answering the claim that stock held back specifically on the $1200 4080,, to not impair clearing out 3000 series cards.

There was so much wrong with that claim.

• The 4080 was priced well above 3000 series, so it wouldn't be have much effect on 3000 clearing.
• Supposedly the 4080 was so undesirable that no one wants it, so even less reason it would impair clearing
• The channel appears to have been cleared of discounted 3000 products for a while.

Then I specifically pointed out, that the 4070 Ti would be much more likely to interfere with clearing 3000 old stock (if there was anything left to clear), which is what you seem to be pointing out to me, but I already wrote that in my post.