Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[jpiniero]

A 4060 with 3080 level performance and 3060 level power usage would be awesome.

Let me guess, $699? I personally think nVidia might/should come up with a new naming scheme, esp if prices are going to be much higher.

The Full AD106 only has 20% more cores than the full GA106 so getting to 3080 performance would mean like 3 Ghz. That might be too much to ask.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The Full AD106 only has 20% more cores than the full GA106 so getting to 3080 performance would mean like 3 Ghz. That might be too much to ask.

There's always increased cache and other voodoo engineering tricks that might make that possible. One can hope.

 

[amenx]

I wonder what impact this will have on future GPU costs.

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[uclaLabrat]

Why do normal gamers need a 4000 series card again? Is there some popular game that isn't running well with the 3000 series?

My 5700xt is only doing 80-100 FPS on hunt showdown at low/med settings and 1440p. 3080 would probably bump that up but if next gen is legit threatening 2-3x performance at same (ridiculous) prices I'm holding out for next gen.

If I can sell a 5700XT for $500 this time next year so much the better.

 

[DrMrLordX]

SELL IT! SELL IT! Unless you are attached to it for sentimental reasons...

I'm attached to it because it's my only available display device. I would have to buy a 6900XT + block first, and I'm not even sure I want to go through all that hassle until I do a complete teardown of the system for Raphael later this year.

 

[moonbogg]

Why do normal gamers need a 4000 series card again? Is there some popular game that isn't running well with the 3000 series?

VR requirements can be pretty ridiculous. If I had a faster system I probably would have tried that Star Wars flying game in VR by now, but I haven't even bothered. People with 3090's complain about lag in that game. It's funny, because if playing on a monitor the performance is WAY better, and resolution alone doesn't seem to explain the gap. I think a lot of VR performance depends on having the hardware to brute force your way through junk coding and garbage optimization. VR market is small still so no one cares about making it work or optimizing properly. Therefore, RTX 4090 for $5000 justified?

 

[CP5670]

The problem is many VR games are not optimized well at all, especially the sim type games. A few games like Alyx have a dynamic resolution and are built for VR from the ground up, but that is rare. Actually this is the only reason I can see for getting a 4090, as there is no point for regular flatscreen games.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Actually this is the only reason I can see for getting a 4090, as there is no point for regular flatscreen games.

4k 144 Mhz/144 fps would be pretty sweet.

 

[Glo.]

Let me guess, $699? I personally think nVidia might/should come up with a new naming scheme, esp if prices are going to be much higher.

The Full AD106 only has 20% more cores than the full GA106 so getting to 3080 performance would mean like 3 Ghz. That might be too much to ask.

36 SM - 2304 ALUs/4608 CUDA cores.

From technical point of view, Lovelace is EXACTLY the same thing as Ampere. Don't expect higher IPC. Don't expect that perf/ALU changed.

And AD106 is on 6 nm process.

Don't expect miracles in terms of efficiency, don't expect miracles in terms of performance.

Expect that full AD106, with 4608 CCs and 128 bit bus be around, at best RTX 3070, thanks to its higher clocks(2300-2400 range), and potentially higher memory bandwidth(20 Gbps GDDR6, or higher).

Keep your expectations low, people. If you want performance and efficiency - RDNA3, not Lovelace.

Lovelace is so little change in perf, that AMD WILL compete with the lower-end lineup with rebadged RDNA2 Navi 23 and 22.

 

[In2Photos]

I'm still playing at 1080p 144hz so a 3070 is all I'm looking for. I'm just not willing to pay the ridiculous prices for it. Glad things are starting to settle down. Maybe I'll finally get to replace my well used 2009 rig this fall when AM5 releases.

 

[Elfear]

Debating whether I want to pick up a 5600X/6600XT combo for $600 to hold me over until Zen 4 and next gen GPUs. I've been limping along with a 3600/1650 Super for the last 8 months which has been fine for some games but modded Skyrim is killing it. Like 18fps outside.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@Elfear

I wouldn't think modding Skyrim would hurt your vid card at all. Mostly that's a burden on CPU. Mostly.

 

[Elfear]

@DrMrLordX

I think all the high-res textures and ENB settings really put a hurting on the GPU. The 4GB of vram exacerbates the problem at 3440x1440. According to HowManyFPS.com (best comparison I could find with modern CPUs), a 3600 is ~6% slower than a 5600X with a 3090 at 1440p and Ultra settings in Skyrim.

 

[dark zero]

Guys, I've checking in Aliexpress and I found that the RX560 are on the USD 180 ballpark (the brand is VEINIDA), is it normal?

I remember that was over USD 200 two months ago.

 

[moonbogg]

Keep your expectations low, people. If you want performance and efficiency - RDNA3, not Lovelace.

Lovelace is so little change in perf, that AMD WILL compete with the lower-end lineup with rebadged RDNA2 Navi 23 and 22.

My expectations are sky high that Lovelace will be the most profitable, highest margin release in Nvidia's history. By a long shot, too. I wouldn't be surprised to see people paying $800 for RTX 3080 equivalent performance and being thrilled about it, thinking they got such a great product. Nothing but high hopes from me. Nvidia will just tweet out some stuff about supply chain this, inflation that, and pump the price 2X from last gen because money feels good.

 

[Frenetic Pony]

My expectations are sky high that Lovelace will be the most profitable, highest margin release in Nvidia's history. By a long shot, too. I wouldn't be surprised to see people paying $800 for RTX 3080 equivalent performance and being thrilled about it, thinking they got such a great product. Nothing but high hopes from me. Nvidia will just tweet out some stuff about supply chain this, inflation that, and pump the price 2X from last gen because money feels good.

I'm gonna call it just the opposite. AMD and Intel and a chip shortage coming to an end for the high end for the high end and Crypto looking wobbly at best all spell trouble for Nvidia's margins. And they're switching to TSMC late, which TSMC is happy to charge an absolute mint for. On top of that they're not in any way lowering their die sizes, meaning if anything the GPUs cost more per tier to make.

Absolutely nothing I can see suggests Nvidia's profits from it's consumer business are going to be in good shape.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel is a non-factor and AMD is going to charge a ton too.

 

[dlerious]

Guys, I've checking in Aliexpress and I found that the RX560 are on the USD 180 ballpark (the brand is VEINIDA), is it normal?

I remember that was over USD 200 two months ago.

An RX 6500XT is 2x faster and around $200.

 

[moonbogg]

I'm gonna call it just the opposite. AMD and Intel and a chip shortage coming to an end for the high end for the high end and Crypto looking wobbly at best all spell trouble for Nvidia's margins. And they're switching to TSMC late, which TSMC is happy to charge an absolute mint for. On top of that they're not in any way lowering their die sizes, meaning if anything the GPUs cost more per tier to make.

Absolutely nothing I can see suggests Nvidia's profits from it's consumer business are going to be in good shape.

All of your points are valid yet easily disregarded for the following reason: Nvidia will simply charge more. Easy win big money. People always lose their minds during a new Nvidia launch and this time will be much worse because few gamers have had a chance to get a card at a reasonable price. The demand will simply crush supply and Nvidia can charge any crazy price they feel like throwing out there. It literally doesn't matter. People will pay whatever they ask. RTX 4060 for $800? No problem. RTX 4080 for $1600? Easy, sold out in less than a second. $2000 seems more appropriate for that one. RTX 4090? Charge absolutely anything and it will sell. Charge $6000 and it will be gone. People are absolutely insane and will pay anything. Even if Ethereum dies, miners will see the hashrate and will still buy them by the truckload. They won't resist the huge hashrate. Just watch what happens. Remember this post and laugh your ass off when you see the only place to buy a card is ebay and the prices will be absolutely nonsensical.

 

[blckgrffn]

Debating whether I want to pick up a 5600X/6600XT combo for $600 to hold me over until Zen 4 and next gen GPUs. I've been limping along with a 3600/1650 Super for the last 8 months which has been fine for some games but modded Skyrim is killing it. Like 18fps outside.

I would hit one of those 6700xt deals. Has the frame buffer for stupid things (mods up the wazoo) and is actually fairly performant for the price. Will last better than a 6600 for sure.

The 1650 Super is a sought after card so it would be an easy flip. My $.02.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I would hit one of those 6700xt deals. Has the frame buffer for stupid things (mods up the wazoo) and is actually fairly performant for the price. Will last better than a 6600 for sure.

Yeah. If it had been avail. at those prices 3-4 months ago, I wouldn't have ended up with 9x RX 6600 and 2x 6600 XT.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I think all the high-res textures and ENB settings really put a hurting on the GPU. The 4GB of vram exacerbates the problem at 3440x1440.

Okay, I can see that being a problem.

 

[biostud]

At this point I would wait until intel put their video cards on the market, it should drive the prices even lower.

 

[Elfear]

I would hit one of those 6700xt deals. Has the frame buffer for stupid things (mods up the wazoo) and is actually fairly performant for the price. Will last better than a 6600 for sure.

The 1650 Super is a sought after card so it would be an easy flip. My $.02.

I didn't realize people were still looking for 1650 Supers. Good advice.

I see 6700XT's dropping into the $600 range and 3700Ti's for $700. Prices are moving in the right direction.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@dvsv

So uh, you take issue with the possibility of 144 fps @ 4k? Something you wanna say?

(yeah I noticed the downvote which makes no sense)