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Aapje

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Jayz2cents just said 4000 series may not be launching for a YEAR from now and may cost WAY MORE than the 3000 series. This makes me so sick it actually gave me COVID, which I just tested positive for. Thanks Jay.

He's just going way off the rails now. The sad part is that he's not even getting paid for it. He's just dumb enough to be played like a fiddle by one or more AIBs.
 

dlerious

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Jayz2cents just said 4000 series may not be launching for a YEAR from now and may cost WAY MORE than the 3000 series. This makes me so sick it actually gave me COVID, which I just tested positive for. Thanks Jay.
Hope you get better. I've been hearing around a year for the low end (4050/4060/7500/7600) from a few places. Unsure what AMD will do, but Nvidia was 4070 or 4080 and up starting at the top and going down.
 
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moonbogg

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I think the year prediction is garbage and can't be true. Nvidia's just going to let AMD feed the entire market new GPUs? No way. Nvidia releases a couple cards that cost $1500-$2000 and just lets AMD provide stuff people can actually afford? I'm not seeing that.
 
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Leeea

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Hope you get better. I've been hearing around a year for the low end (4050/4060/7500/7600) from a few places. Unsure what AMD will do, but Nvidia was 4070 or 4080 and up starting at the top and going down.
as an AMD fan, I hope this is true.

I think the year prediction is garbage and can't be true. Nvidia's just going to let AMD feed the entire market new GPUs? No way. Nvidia releases a couple cards that cost $1500-$2000 and just lets AMD provide stuff people can actually afford? I'm not seeing that.
it seems unlikely nvidia might forfiet the midrange and low end, but they might have to.

All the rumors about the catastrophic power consumption of nvidia's next gen, it is possible nvidia's next gen might not be compatible with our current gen power supplies. If AMD releases something that is compatible with current gen power supplies it will be ugly for nvidia.

A decent PSU is a $150 part. If nvidia requires I buy a new PSU that is +$150 to the price. That is going to stick nvidia in a tough spot vs AMD not requiring a new PSU.
 
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jpiniero

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it seems unlikely nvidia might forfiet the midrange and low end, but they might have to.

Well, there's no mid range or low end RDNA 3 part... at least for now...

The 4060/Ti's competition is basically RDNA 2/Ampere, if either is still available by the time it launches. If they even do a desktop launch.

OEM's want new products so I don't think they can push the Ada laptop launch past CES. So launching the 4080 and 4070 then makes sense.
 
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dlerious

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Oh, I just watched the followup video Jay did. Not a shill because Nvidia doesn't give him anything? I seem to remember quite a few EVGA products on his channel.

As far as not rewarding miners by buying used, I have a price and performance level in mind and when I see a card that matches it, I'll take a chance. Seems better than rewarding the AIB/manufacturer who jacked up prices and proceeded to ship pallets directly to miners limiting the ability of consumers to purchase cards that won't make it to the retail channel - where there were limits on number you could buy.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Jayz2cents just said 4000 series may not be launching for a YEAR from now and may cost WAY MORE than the 3000 series. This makes me so sick it actually gave me COVID, which I just tested positive for. Thanks Jay.

If true then NV loses massive marketshare. AMD gets to do whatever they want for a full year in the consumer dGPU space. Doesn't seem likely.
 

Aapje

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The excessive production capacity that Nvidia bought on N5 means that they would be dumb to postpone more than they have to. Every tier they move to TSMC means that they can stop paying Samsung and use up some of that production capacity at TSMC that they already paid for. So it saves them money to switch over ASAP.

As soon as they can produce enough 4090's to match demand, they should start making 4080's. As soon as 4080 production matches demand, they should start making 4070's, etc.

The only reason to delay the low end is because of a huge excess of cheap mining cards in the 2nd hand market, so they couldn't sell them anyway. In that case, people with modest means and an ability to distinguish a good deal from a bad deal should just buy there, unless you are Jay who gets free 12900's and 3090's, and clearly doesn't have the ability to buy sensibly 2nd hand (and an apparent unwillingness to do any research, if you watch his video's).
 
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Aapje

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I was under the impression that for AMD the mid range (7600XT?) would be released first?

That's a common rumor, but it doesn't make too much sense unless they want to favor gaining market share fast over getting more income, which is not what they've been choosing to do so far. It's a bad bet to think that a company will suddenly change strategy.
 

maddie

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I think the year prediction is garbage and can't be true. Nvidia's just going to let AMD feed the entire market new GPUs? No way. Nvidia releases a couple cards that cost $1500-$2000 and just lets AMD provide stuff people can actually afford? I'm not seeing that.
Not only that, They prepaid for 4nm wafers that they're stuck with. Jayz2cents claims are that they won't use many for a year.

One possible take from this series of videos is that the Nvidia overstock situation is a lot worse than we think. What did you advise? Ah yes, those horribly unforgettable words. "Clench and hold".

Get well soon, took me 2 days feeling poorly last year.
 

maddie

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Oh, I just watched the followup video Jay did. Not a shill because Nvidia doesn't give him anything? I seem to remember quite a few EVGA products on his channel.

As far as not rewarding miners by buying used, I have a price and performance level in mind and when I see a card that matches it, I'll take a chance. Seems better than rewarding the AIB/manufacturer who jacked up prices and proceeded to ship pallets directly to miners limiting the ability of consumers to purchase cards that won't make it to the retail channel - where there were limits on number you could buy.
Honest questions. How can someone determine if they're paid to "advocate" in favor of a company? Is underhand payments considered impossible?
 
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Aapje

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Not only that, They prepaid for 4nm wafers that they're stuck with.

It's a slightly adapted version of TSMC 5, that they call N4 to pretend that it's way better. It's not. Just marketing.

Also, better to just no longer refer to nm's, because it's not actually that size, just a similar density you could get with that size.
 
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maddie

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That's a common rumor, but it doesn't make too much sense unless they want to favor gaining market share fast over getting more income, which is not what they've been choosing to do so far. It's a bad bet to think that a company will suddenly change strategy.
They might finally have the wafer volume to consider market share gains as possible. Another factor is the chip assembly output. N31 & N32 being chiplet might affect timelines as it needs additional non-traditional steps. Just like Zen 3 having to wait until late last yr for 3D assembly to be available on the mass market, even though the die was designed for it several yrs ago. N33 really might arrive first this time.
 
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jpiniero

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That's a common rumor, but it doesn't make too much sense unless they want to favor gaining market share fast over getting more income, which is not what they've been choosing to do so far. It's a bad bet to think that a company will suddenly change strategy.

N33 first makes sense assuming it's on N6. The N5 wafers are being taken by Zen 4. I assume N33 is being pushed to CES as well.

It'd only be the 4090 launching this year.
 
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maddie

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It's a slightly adapter version of TSMC 5, that they call N4 to pretend that it's way better. It's not. Just marketing.

Also, better to just no longer refer to nm's, because it's not actually that size, just a similar density you could get with that size.
I know, but being a unique "recipe", Nvidia appears to be stuck with this. Can another company simply use this or would an existing design have to be modified substantially? The electrical properties must be quite different.
 
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Aapje

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N33 first makes sense assuming it's on N6. The N5 wafers are being taken by Zen 4. I assume N33 is being pushed to CES as well.

Yeah, very good point. If it's indeed on a larger node it wouldn't compete for capacity, so they could launch it simultaneously or earlier.
 
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Well, I made it 5 minutes into Jayz new video. I guess he really believes it will be 2018 again or that Nvidia won't release any 4000 cards till next year, possibly summer.
 
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Jay says to buy now if you want in. Predicting another 2018 scenario where there are no 3000 cards left over when 4000 is finally released.

I did a lot of research for cards up to the AUD 1K value, which is my price point & in the end an RX 6800 XT with factory OC won hands down compared to anything from Nvidia's camp with the current online market here in Australia today.

Was going to wait for RDNA3 but figured my aim is just to max out my 1440p\144hz monitor with games I like these days. Besides, even if RDNA3 or Nvidia's 4000 series release before end of year, those high end cards will be way out of my price range anyway. I mean sure they are going to be better at ray tracing for example, but how many AAA games now or planed for release in the next 12 months are actually going to be using that tech that we know of already?
 

Leeea

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I mean sure they are going to be better at ray tracing for example, but how many AAA games now or planed for release in the next 12 months are actually going to be using that tech that we know of already?
I bash on LTT's videos some times, but I feel this is a good one:
Summary: with current titles, it is difficult to tell

Very much puts raytracing in perspective.
 

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I did a lot of research for cards up to the AUD 1K value, which is my price point & in the end an RX 6800 XT with factory OC won hands down compared to anything from Nvidia's camp with the current online market here in Australia today.

Was going to wait for RDNA3 but figured my aim is just to max out my 1440p\144hz monitor with games I like these days. Besides, even if RDNA3 or Nvidia's 4000 series release before end of year, those high end cards will be way out of my price range anyway. I mean sure they are going to be better at ray tracing for example, but how many AAA games now or planed for release in the next 12 months are actually going to be using that tech that we know of already?

Plenty, though they keep getting delayed. That being said a 6800xt is probably a perfectly fine card for a 1440p monitor for the next 6+ years, so other than not being able to max out Crysis 4 or whatever I'm otherwise not seeing any major downsides there.
 
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