Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[mastertech01]

Those prices will surely stay up there as long as people are willing to swallow.

 

[moonbogg]

I saw the Hydro Copper 12GB as well and thought, hey, that comes with a water block. It's still $800 and the card is still 2 years old and they can still kiss my ass.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Waiting to replace my RX580 so that I can support Dual Monitors over DP (240hz + secondary monitor (max at 165hz, but i dont really care since its not for gaming, just have it.)

Currently, whenever i even turn on the second monitor, my main drops from 240hz to 144hz. Tried all different DP cables.

 

[Stuka87]

Waiting to replace my RX580 so that I can support Dual Monitors over DVI (240hz + secondary monitor (max at 165hz, but i dont really care since its not for gaming, just have it.)

Hate to break it to you, but there aren't any new cards with DVI ports. DP and HDMI is the name of the game.

 

[Aapje]

There are DisplayPort to Active Dual Link DVI adapters.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Hate to break it to you, but there aren't any new cards with DVI ports. DP and HDMI is the name of the game.

It was my mistake, i edited to DP. Both monitors connected via DP.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

There are DisplayPort to Active Dual Link DVI adapters.

They're just really expensive, and getting rarer.

DVI is on the way out. HDMI doesn't really help out if its above 1200p, since it's single link only. I swear I saw a HDMI-to-dual link DVI adaptor -somewhere-, but I can't find it.

 

[Stuka87]

It was my mistake, i edited to DP. Both monitors connected via DP.

Ahh ok.

Out of curiosity, why di you need both displays up at 240Hz? I keep both of my displays at low refresh rate unless I am playing a game that benefits from the higher refresh rate. Running them at higher refresh rates will result in not only the displays using more power, but your GPU will use significantly more because it won't be able to stay in zero state.

 

[blckgrffn]

Ahh ok.

Out of curiosity, why di you need both displays up at 240Hz? I keep both of my displays at low refresh rate unless I am playing a game that benefits from the higher refresh rate. Running them at higher refresh rates will result in not only the displays using more power, but your GPU will use significantly more because it won't be able to stay in zero state.

Maybe my Dell monitor could do this, but I really wish when I wasn't running a game, it would drop the refresh rate so my card could settle down. I hate constantly turning HDR off and on and I don't want to keep changing my refresh rate too, and it absolutely impacts my memory clocks on the GPU.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Ahh ok.

Out of curiosity, why di you need both displays up at 240Hz? I keep both of my displays at low refresh rate unless I am playing a game that benefits from the higher refresh rate. Running them at higher refresh rates will result in not only the displays using more power, but your GPU will use significantly more because it won't be able to stay in zero state.

i dont need/want both monitors at 240hz.

I have an Alienware 27in (240hz) as my main, but a Dell 27in (165hz) as my secondary, don't ask, i got one after the other on sale.

I just want my main Alienware to run at 240hz when i have my Dell 27 connected. When both are connected, both drop down to 144hz. When I turn off the Dell 27in, the Alienware jumps up to 240hz.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Maybe my Dell monitor could do this, but I really wish when I wasn't running a game, it would drop the refresh rate so my card could settle down. I hate constantly turning HDR off and on and I don't want to keep changing my refresh rate too, and it absolutely impacts my memory clocks on the GPU.

What does turn on/off HDR do for refresh rates? This may be related to my issue

 

[Stuka87]

i dont need/want both monitors at 240hz.

I have an Alienware 27in (240hz) as my main, but a Dell 27in (165hz) as my secondary, don't ask, i got one after the other on sale.

I just want my main Alienware to run at 240hz when i have my Dell 27 connected. When both are connected, both drop down to 144hz. When I turn off the Dell 27in, the Alienware jumps up to 240hz.

Try setting the Dell to 60Hz, and then set the Alienware to a higher refresh.

 

[Leeea]

Hardware unboxed as some interesting thoughts on card prices:

Spoiler: youtube link to hardware unboxed video

notes:
Hardware unboxed speculates the following:

rx6400 is least bad option for brand new poverty class, but consider buying used instead

rtx3050 remains a poor value choice.
rx6600 is likely as cheap as it will be, good buy for budget class

rx6700xt is a good choice for midrange, but prices may continue to fall
rtx3070 is poor value unless rtx is required

rx6900xt, rx6800xt, rx6800, and rtx3080-12gb are ok high end, but prices are likely to continue to fall. Suggests avoid 3090, rtx3080ti, and rtx3080-10gb.

 

[Leeea]

What does turn on/off HDR do for refresh rates? This may be related to my issue

odd things.

Flipping HDR can result in no effect on refresh rate, or it cut it in half. Depends on the display.

example 1: I have 1x 120Hz monitor that runs 120Hz HDR on or off no problem

example 2: I have a 4k TV that can do 4k 60Hz non-HDR, or 4k 30Hz HDR, but cannot do 4k 60Hz HDR. ( it is in the fine print on the specification sheet, if I had looked close enough )

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Try setting the Dell to 60Hz, and then set the Alienware to a higher refresh.

thanks, just tried changing my secondary (Dell) monitor to 60hz in windows:


But my Alienware still doesn't allow me to push the refresh rate to anything over 144hz (no 165, no 240) unless i turn off the second monitor:


Secondary Monitor off:

 

[blckgrffn]

Maybe my Dell monitor could do this, but I really wish when I wasn't running a game, it would drop the refresh rate so my card could settle down. I hate constantly turning HDR off and on and I don't want to keep changing my refresh rate too, and it absolutely impacts my memory clocks on the GPU.

Not much in my case, it's just that there is a number of "game settings" that I only want on for some games. AMD drivers with the Freesync Premium monitor lets me change brightness and color and all sorts of stuff for each game, I'd love for that to be even more comprehensive.

 

[Aikouka]

Suggests avoid 3090, rtx3080ti, and rtx3080-10gb.

I'm rather torn on the idea of ignoring the 3080 10GB. To be fair, my hesitance mostly comes from its MSRP being $700 compared to the 12GB model's $800. Of course, you can find plenty of instances of AIB cards being well above the $700 value. I believe when I looked at the ASUS x Noctua 3080 on Newegg, it was somewhere between $900 and $1000. However, if you can get your hands on an elusive Founder's Edition 3080, then I'd likely just go that route since the 3080 10GB and 12GB variants don't differ much in performance. (Plus, 3080 FEs have no mining limiter, which I see as extra potential resale value.) Of course, we can't really ignore how Nvidia seems to be offloading their 12GB variants as companies like EVGA are selling all models for MSRP, which just seems crazy after the last two years. Imagine if someone told you months ago that you'd be getting FTW3 models marked down to base MSRP; you'd think they were crazy! Really outlines how frustrating it was dealing with people that kept insisting that crypto wasn't a huge part of the GPU shortage.

 

[Leeea]

I'm rather torn on the idea of ignoring the 3080 10GB. To be fair, my hesitance mostly comes from its MSRP being $700 compared to the 12GB model's $800. Of course, you can find plenty of instances of AIB cards being well above the $700 value. I believe when I looked at the ASUS x Noctua 3080 on Newegg, it was somewhere between $900 and $1000.

Hardware unboxed speculated the price would be the same for both the 10 GB and 12 GB version

However, if you can get your hands on an elusive Founder's Edition 3080, then I'd likely just go that route since the 3080 10GB and 12GB variants don't differ much in performance.

9% more performance & 2GB more VRAM seems considerable:

GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB vs GeForce RTX 3080

We compare the GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB against the GeForce RTX 3080 across a wide set of games and benchmarks to help you choose which you should get.

hwbench.com

the 12GB also outperforms the Ti:

GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB vs GeForce RTX 3080 Ti

We compare the GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB against the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti across a wide set of games and benchmarks to help you choose which you should get.

hwbench.com

Which is what Hardware Unboxed picked up on in his video.

 

[Aikouka]

Hardware unboxed speculated the price would be the same for both the 10 GB and 12 GB version

9% more performance & 2GB more VRAM seems considerable:

GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB vs GeForce RTX 3080

We compare the GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB against the GeForce RTX 3080 across a wide set of games and benchmarks to help you choose which you should get.

hwbench.com

the 12GB also outperforms the Ti:

GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB vs GeForce RTX 3080 Ti

We compare the GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB against the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti across a wide set of games and benchmarks to help you choose which you should get.

hwbench.com

Which is what Hardware Unboxed picked up on in his video.

Hm, I think my initial research might have been a bit flawed. I did a search for "3080 12GB vs 3080 10GB", and the results aren't as good as simply looking at 3080 12GB reviews. Although, while taking a look at TechPowerUp, I'm not seeing the 3080 12GB beating out the 3080 Ti. It does seem to beat out the 3080 10GB at 4K, which is what I'm looking for with my HTPC. I did consider it for my main desktop (2560x1440@165Hz) too, and while it is better at 1440p at a decent chunk of games, I don't feel like going through the hassle of putting the cooler back on my GPU just for a few FPS.

Although, right now, I'm spending the time cleaning out the radiators before I can even use the GPU. I gotta say... as much as I like Hardware Labs' thick L-Series radiators, they are quite dirty. The last time I cleaned one up, it took me a vinegar soak and 30 shakings to not get any flakes.

 

[mastertech01]

OK so Congress just approved over 200 billion dollar bailouts for the chip industry courtesy of we tax payers. Lets see how greedy they get over the next 2 years.

 

[DrMrLordX]

OK so Congress just approved over 200 billion dollar bailouts for the chip industry courtesy of we tax payers. Lets see how greedy they get over the next 2 years.

Probably won't affect NV or AMD positively one bit.

 

[linje]

OK so Congress just approved over 200 billion dollar bailouts for the chip industry courtesy of we tax payers. Lets see how greedy they get over the next 2 years.

Bonuses for the CEO's again?

 

[maddie]

Bonuses for the CEO's again?

Of course.This has nothing to do with management, technological advances, etc. This has everything with top level executives wheeling & dealing with the right people in government. A pure CEO & top level play.

 

[dlerious]

Bonuses for the CEO's again?

Don't forget stock buy backs and offshoring of jobs. All this talk of job creation is bs too. Fabs are highly automated, so most of the jobs will be temporary during construction. No strings attached.

 

[Leeea]

Probably won't affect NV or AMD positively one bit.

I am ok with that.

Nothing stopping either one of them from building a fab. AMD used to have fabs.