Question are video card prices headed down yet?

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VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
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Doesn't matter if you can afford it -- it just shouldn't be a thing. Stop letting it happen. Stop telling your friends that nvidia is "better" because you would never buy anything less than a 4090 with your dual income no kids budget. Your buddy's kid can play minecraft on a Rx580, trust me.
LOL, so true.
 

DAPUNISHER

Super Moderator CPU Forum Mod and Elite Member
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Aug 22, 2001
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We taught businesses the worst possible lesson: "We'll pay big money for scarce goods." Businesses are generally smart -- much like any organism they want to survive and will do whatever it takes to do so. There are people whose entire jobs are ferreting out these market trends. Businesses are made up of small groups of people who can react and pivot much easier than the general public. They want the good times of 2020 to keep on keepin' on. They're not about to haphazardly flood the market and demolish their own profits.

We saw this with the 20 series. Everybody was like "wait, wait! You'll score a 1080TiWtfBBQ AiB model for nickels on the dollar, just you wait!" But Nvidia handled that situation (for themselves). They know how to manipulate prices and inventory in such a way as to extract as much bux from you as possible. Sure, it's "smart," but I also think they're rat bastards. I feel like the GPU scarcity model has flooded out towards other products as well.

I think the general public will wake up to this. No, it won't be a moment of reckoning where the gates of heaven open and burn away all leather-jacketed CEOs. But it'll be a slower gradual thing. People will slowly learn to do without. I think that will force retailers to come back to reality eventually. The problem is that the general public doesn't move in some sort of pre-meditated concerted way. Enough people need to get burned, and the general sentiment just needs to turn negative enough where people choose to opt out rather than put up with this nonsense.

Stop making excuses for the corpos. Supply chain issues, inflation, acts of God -- shove it. $1,000.00 GPUs shouldn't be the new normal. Doesn't matter if you can afford it -- it just shouldn't be a thing. Stop letting it happen. Stop telling your friends that nvidia is "better" because you would never buy anything less than a 4090 with your dual income no kids budget. Your buddy's kid can play minecraft on a Rx580, trust me.
This is the way.

Unfortunately however; Hurray for me, screw you, is the mentality. One need only look at r/PCMR to see what has happened. PC gaming has turned into another opportunity for over compensating douche bags to use material possessions as a status symbol. Cars, watches, clothes, and now, even their PC, has to reflect they're a baller.

The other wrinkle is that Nvidia wants madly, for their cloud gaming horse crap to work. The latest presentation where they are now taking shots at consoles speaks volumes to their goals. Can't afford a 4080 PC gaming peasants? Now you can, for only $20 a month! Sign up for Geforce Now today. Hell, it's worse than rent to own, because you will never own it. The gaming as a service model, where you don't even have the hardware anymore, can suck it.
 

Dannar26

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I know this isn't politics, but it really feels like we're getting to the point in society where the really really nice stuff is only accessible by an extreme minority of people. But never fear! There's some horrible subscription version for you to pay for instead, you filthy poors! Just think of it! Line the pockets of the elite all the while never coming close to owning anything for yourself!

I know the quote is misused, but "you will own nothing and be happy" really seems to keep popping up.
 

maddie

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I know this isn't politics, but it really feels like we're getting to the point in society where the really really nice stuff is only accessible by an extreme minority of people. But never fear! There's some horrible subscription version for you to pay for instead, you filthy poors! Just think of it! Line the pockets of the elite all the while never coming close to owning anything for yourself!

I know the quote is misused, but "you will own nothing and be happy" really seems to keep popping up.
It's one horrible possibility of several competing futures. Most here are in the zones where it will be happening. Service economies indeed.
 

Thunder 57

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Aug 19, 2007
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I know this isn't politics, but it really feels like we're getting to the point in society where the really really nice stuff is only accessible by an extreme minority of people. But never fear! There's some horrible subscription version for you to pay for instead, you filthy poors! Just think of it! Line the pockets of the elite all the while never coming close to owning anything for yourself!

I know the quote is misused, but "you will own nothing and be happy" really seems to keep popping up.

I avoid subscriptions at all costs. In fact, I don't pay any. Software is the one where they kind of got us. Thankfully we are not there with hardware, yet.
 

beginner99

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Jun 2, 2009
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Stop telling your friends that nvidia is "better" because you would never buy anything less than a 4090 with your dual income no kids budget. Your buddy's kid can play minecraft on a Rx580, trust me.

That is the problem, isn't it? in the grand scheme of things, $2000 isn't that much for something you will use even in worst case for only 2 years, but likely longer. that is what you pay for rent each month. Add health care and groceries on top and that $2000 barley matters. Or vacations. I could easily afford it (even with kids) but I'm in general "greedy" and not ready to spend that much on a thing that will lose all it's value within a couple years. A car is different as I need it. I don't need a high end gaming pc.

people buying high end was always limited, in numbers and there will be enough buyers to keep the top part prices high and sell them out. that then leads to the issue that the whole stack must move up in price and there they overdid it. a $2000 halo card alos usable for ML due to large amounts of vram, ok. but the 4080 is too much and has worse performance/dollar. it should be at least $300 cheaper. then the 4070 Ti, same. at least $200 cheaper and so forth. mid-range should easily give us double the performance/dollar. that is were they (AMD,NV) failed us biggest.

It will bite them back. volume will/is going down rapidly. 90% margins are meaningless if you sell just 1 part. Volume matters. Hence why I'm really disappointed with intel. they could have broken this wheel and offered mid-range for low prices forcing AMD and NV to act and also bet more on volume than margins.
NV has the "marketing advantage" so no need to lower prices and go for volume, and AMD makes more money on cpu chiplets than gpu so no really incentive to go into a price war. Intel on the other hand, at least when gpus are in-house are using them to fill their factories. factories that exist anyway for their cpus. intel would be the ideal candidate to go for mid-range (smallish die) volume approach for above reason and to break into the market. But they need a non-broken product with working drivers on-time and not 2 years late.

4070 TI isn't priced that bad (yes it should be cheaper but given the current situation, rest of the stack and used-prices). used 3090s sell for around $800 here and the euro price of the 4070 TI is supposedly $900. if true, makes more sense to get a 4070 Ti than a used 3090 if you do not need the vram for ML. 7900xt here is >$1000 but might make sense given the much higher vram. depends if you want to do 4k or 1440p high-frequency gaming.
 

beginner99

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Anyone who reads this and thinks it's true, you're living in a high income bubble. The rest world is not like that. You know, the rest of the world where most gamers come from.

Housing costs are high globally unless you live very rural. Is $2000 rent really special? Even African cities can be really expensive in housing.

But yeah of course. that why living in HCOL with HCOL wages is usually still better for the total bottom line because many items are "fixed price". quality of life is a different matter however.

Where do most gamers come from? Do you mean US is fully excluded in your "most gamers" claim? I mean most people don't live in the first world so that claim is pretty much true for most things.
 
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DeathReborn

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New RX 6000 prices are above MSRP in the UK and climbing, they barely dipped below MSRP unlike the US. Nvidia is as usual, overpriced.
 

mastertech01

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Its amazing how many 3090 are available for sale on Ebay, facebook, craigslist, etc. As long as they can get 800+ for them, many over 1200. Just how many buyers for used GPU at that price? Its got to crack eventually. Credit cards have got to max out eventually
 

amenx

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Its amazing how many 3090 are available for sale on Ebay, facebook, craigslist, etc. As long as they can get 800+ for them, many over 1200. Just how many buyers for used GPU at that price? Its got to crack eventually. Credit cards have got to max out eventually
As much as I dislike the 4070ti release, why would anyone pay $800 for a used power-hog like the 3090? As horrible value as the 4070ti is, its probably a better value than a used 3090 @ $800.
 

mastertech01

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Nov 13, 1999
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As much as I dislike the 4070ti release, why would anyone pay $800 for a used power-hog like the 3090? As horrible value as the 4070ti is, its probably a better value than a used 3090 @ $800.
I would consider 600 for a 3090... just gonna have to wait longer. Maybe next year they will be 400
 

mastertech01

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Buy a nicer model whenever you do, like ASUS ROG/TUF/Gigabyte AORUS etc.

3090 ram chip overheating is not fun.

Watch this for price drop: https://www.ebay.com/itm/225326197546
Id like an Aorus just because my board is an Aorus xtreme but Gigabytes seem to run a couple hundred more than others. Ive actually been limiting my searches to founders edition models.
 
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DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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Its amazing how many 3090 are available for sale on Ebay, facebook, craigslist, etc. As long as they can get 800+ for them, many over 1200. Just how many buyers for used GPU at that price? Its got to crack eventually. Credit cards have got to max out eventually

NV didn't supply a lower-cost equivalent using their new tech, and AMD's generally-superior 7900XTX is in short supply. The prices of 3090s will slowly inflate away until conditions change.
 

Aapje

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Mar 21, 2022
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Housing costs are high globally unless you live very rural. Is $2000 rent really special? Even African cities can be really expensive in housing.

The entire idea that people can afford an expense because it is on par with the biggest expense that most people have is absurd. You need to look at disposable income and that is probably relatively low right now with inflation and such.
 

DooKey

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The entire idea that people can afford an expense because it is on par with the biggest expense that most people have is absurd. You need to look at disposable income and that is probably relatively low right now with inflation and such.
No one needs a high-end graphics card unless they make money using it. The cheap stuff is better now than ever. No use crying over the upper end.

Folks without much money should be buying consoles.
 
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