I can understand people ragging on CR's test drives.. but not their reliability statistics. If you've ever subscribed to CR, they send you a million page document every year that asks you about your car. They take those, create an average, and then a vehicle is either above or below average. It's a scientific number whether you like it or not.
I have no idea how JD Power works.. It seems to be an opinion of fit and finish of a new car, which honestly doesn't seem to say much.
'facepalm'
Do you even know what a scientific survey is? The first rule is to have a open sample. CR ONLY samples people that pay for CR. The break rule one of even the most basic scientific survey.
CR does some things ok, but car ratings are their worst.
I am a vw trained mech,I also used to repair many other makes of cars.It is interesting to note how much nonsense is spewed out by people with little or no knowledge about cars.I would like to offer my opinion ,on surveys they must be seen as a tool or guide ,they do sometimes not give the full picture.
some Japanese cars are more reliable than some vw's it is not a rule as some would love to point out.If it was true please explain how it is that Audi dominates at Le Mans .Why VW in it's first year won WRC ,Dakar and so on
I believe the difference between them is actually smaller than everyone would like to believe,If a dud is made it is usually changed with something better next time round.consider also that some Toyota's are very good,some are not as I have seen a v6 blow into bits with only 50k ,I am talking about throw away material .The Germans have an annual breakdown statistic published by ADAC,it is interesting to note that reality and perception are not the same!
I am a vw trained mech,I also used to repair many other makes of cars.It is interesting to note how much nonsense is spewed out by people with little or no knowledge about cars.I would like to offer my opinion ,on surveys they must be seen as a tool or guide ,they do sometimes not give the full picture.
some Japanese cars are more reliable than some vw's it is not a rule as some would love to point out.If it was true please explain how it is that Audi dominates at Le Mans .Why VW in it's first year won WRC ,Dakar and so on
I believe the difference between them is actually smaller than everyone would like to believe,If a dud is made it is usually changed with something better next time round.consider also that some Toyota's are very good,some are not as I have seen a v6 blow into bits with only 50k ,I am talking about throw away material .The Germans have an annual breakdown statistic published by ADAC,it is interesting to note that reality and perception are not the same!
Been looking at the GTI in particular, and have gone through myriad posts on various forums about VW in general.
So far, i'm not really seeing anything different between those posts and posts for issues on other car makes/models on other forums.
Are VW's really all that bad, or is the stigma brought about by general consensus from online forums? (Where negatives posts about anything will normally dominate over positives).
Thanks.
I am a vw trained mech,I also used to repair many other makes of cars.It is interesting to note how much nonsense is spewed out by people with little or no knowledge about cars.I would like to offer my opinion ,on surveys they must be seen as a tool or guide ,they do sometimes not give the full picture.
some Japanese cars are more reliable than some vw's it is not a rule as some would love to point out.If it was true please explain how it is that Audi dominates at Le Mans .Why VW in it's first year won WRC ,Dakar and so on
I believe the difference between them is actually smaller than everyone would like to believe,If a dud is made it is usually changed with something better next time round.consider also that some Toyota's are very good,some are not as I have seen a v6 blow into bits with only 50k ,I am talking about throw away material .The Germans have an annual breakdown statistic published by ADAC,it is interesting to note that reality and perception are not the same!
Wait, this thread is from 2010, what the heck?!
O WOWWWW is all i have to say.... vw is no more or less reliable than other cars out there.... yes has quarks and plastic clips but ALLL new cars do people. Its sad that people assume a car is a pos when someone neglects or beats on it.... vws have been getting abused since their aba (most renowned and durable motor they developed) and their vr6 (the one that screwed them due to compact wngine bay and large longitudial motor. Which also correlates to major wear due to the power this motor makes and the position its located)
vws and audi have the best engineers in the world next to all other makes in europe. They have lots of sensors in theirs0 cars and have since day one but if you want luxury thats the cost. They cant help americans become cheap and lazy and dont know how to fix squat with out destroying wiring or bulk heads or decide to go to a back yard mechanic who can barely wipe their ass much less pull a motor. In 3 hours these motors can be prepped to be pulled and serviced like they were meant to. My jetta mk3 will do what new cars can and some but i had to repair stupid fixes from uneducated "mechanics" who feel that since they went to school for a year to be a technician can now take any and all cars apart. And quite frankly any vw after 1999 is shitier and shitier but havent all makes and models! Its packing more into less, just audi and vw have been at it way longer... my mk3 left me stranded as much and my 75 charger so no one should compare american and european cars as theyre engineered different. I have loved and worked on all cars and if you get a vw just try the older models with the aba 2.0 8v motors. They are as strong as my old chargers block but doesnt chug gas like it. And a 2 year old can work on it haha just things are put in wierd places american manufactuers would never think or imagine doing.
To sum it all up ANY car is ONLY as good as it caretaker and how MUCH they feel their car is WORTH but vw cars have a massive fan base and all the help ive ever needed has been on vwvortex. If i buy a car it MUST have wide forum support as no matter how good a mechanic you are.... theres always a problem over your head, just depends on if you recognize it
Ps sorry for the run ons i just was agitated with ppl blaming manufacturers for other problems... the coil packs on 1.8ts i agree with but not every year unless your dumbass doesnt clean your engine bay or grounds upon install (typical noob thing not to do)
O WOWWWW is all i have to say.... vw is no more or less reliable than other cars out there.... yes has quarks and plastic clips but ALLL new cars do people. Its sad that people assume a car is a pos when someone neglects or beats on it.... vws have been getting abused since their aba (most renowned and durable motor they developed) and their vr6 (the one that screwed them due to compact wngine bay and large longitudial motor. Which also correlates to major wear due to the power this motor makes and the position its located)
vws and audi have the best engineers in the world next to all other makes in europe. They have lots of sensors in theirs0 cars and have since day one but if you want luxury thats the cost. They cant help americans become cheap and lazy and dont know how to fix squat with out destroying wiring or bulk heads or decide to go to a back yard mechanic who can barely wipe their ass much less pull a motor. In 3 hours these motors can be prepped to be pulled and serviced like they were meant to. My jetta mk3 will do what new cars can and some but i had to repair stupid fixes from uneducated "mechanics" who feel that since they went to school for a year to be a technician can now take any and all cars apart. And quite frankly any vw after 1999 is shitier and shitier but havent all makes and models! Its packing more into less, just audi and vw have been at it way longer... my mk3 left me stranded as much and my 75 charger so no one should compare american and european cars as theyre engineered different. I have loved and worked on all cars and if you get a vw just try the older models with the aba 2.0 8v motors. They are as strong as my old chargers block but doesnt chug gas like it. And a 2 year old can work on it haha just things are put in wierd places american manufactuers would never think or imagine doing.
To sum it all up ANY car is ONLY as good as it caretaker and how MUCH they feel their car is WORTH but vw cars have a massive fan base and all the help ive ever needed has been on vwvortex. If i buy a car it MUST have wide forum support as no matter how good a mechanic you are.... theres always a problem over your head, just depends on if you recognize it
Ps sorry for the run ons i just was agitated with ppl blaming manufacturers for other problems... the coil packs on 1.8ts i agree with but not every year unless your dumbass doesnt clean your engine bay or grounds upon install (typical noob thing not to do)
hahahaha... fanboy alert.
Yea the engineers are great... at having to create emission defeat tools for badly designed engines.
And how's that DI inject issue going? VW/Audi have taken care of all its customers that have that problem and fixed it right? They don't make their customers have to pay to fix it, even when its under warranty right?
5 yr old thread now.
"My jetta mk3 will do what new cars can and some "
No, no it can't. The airbags aren't all there, the safety features aren't all there, the backup cameras, NAV unit, bumper sensors, traction control, all aren't there. It's missing a ton of safety and probably is not as efficient with emission control stuff as newer cars are.
It's a deathtrap and should have been crushed with the cash for clunkers program.
No, I think it just shows up on google search so people come here and post. It happens a lot with the garage forum.
Wowww you said like you know alot, you read that off your cars manual. Btw dude ALL OF THAT I can install in it but choose to have less to deal with. If you want a new car likely defextive or shit from the factory so that you can obtain an image to show off then fine but dont complain when a corporation cheats costs or not and btw emissions is a joke. Ive had over 6 plus vehicles and all beaters i fixed into runners and the ones that passed easily had exhaust leaks so dont preach the emissions does good deal cuz i feel of you smoke you should get a ticket or if your cars falling apart. I can cheat 100% of emissions systems with new or old cars so i dont blame germany for rigging them to cheap because they know its a joke (though i have people straight piping street cars, annoying and pointless) but point being if people maintained instead of abuse and bitch about their cars i PROMISE there would be no need for emissions. Im not a fan boy just a realist and you people are pessimists and its sad to see what hate the world has come to... its a wonder why corporations own us, people let them. I hope they dont mandate old cars to crush on safety. All my cars have fast passed emissions after i fixed them. Happy cars run clean, just because it runs doesnt mean its clean.
Let me know how your aftermarket side curtain airbag install works out.
:\ So, you think that crashing at 100mph, it's the airbag that injured you?!