Are we in seriously deep doo doo?

Atreus21

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...his-really-is-starting-to-feel-like-1932.html

With the US trapped in depression, this really is starting to feel like 1932
The US workforce shrank by 652,000 in June, one of the sharpest contractions ever. The rate of hourly earnings fell 0.1pc. Wages are flirting with deflation.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Published: 9:33PM BST 04 Jul 2010

"The economy is still in the gravitational pull of the Great Recession," said Robert Reich, former US labour secretary. "All the booster rockets for getting us beyond it are failing."

"Home sales are down. Retail sales are down. Factory orders in May suffered their biggest tumble since March of last year. So what are we doing about it? Less than nothing," he said.

California is tightening faster than Greece. State workers have seen a 14pc fall in earnings this year due to forced furloughs. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is cutting pay for 200,000 state workers to the minimum wage of $7.25 an hour to cover his $19bn (£15bn) deficit.

Can Illinois be far behind? The state has a deficit of $12bn and is $5bn in arrears to schools, nursing homes, child care centres, and prisons. "It is getting worse every single day," said state comptroller Daniel Hynes. "We are not paying bills for absolutely essential services. That is obscene."

Roughly a million Americans have dropped out of the jobs market altogether over the past two months. That is the only reason why the headline unemployment rate is not exploding to a post-war high.

Let us be honest. The US is still trapped in depression a full 18 months into zero interest rates, quantitative easing (QE), and fiscal stimulus that has pushed the budget deficit above 10pc of GDP.

The share of the US working-age population with jobs in June actually fell from 58.7pc to 58.5pc. This is the real stress indicator. The ratio was 63pc three years ago. Eight million jobs have been lost.

The average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks. Nothing like this has been seen before in the post-war era. Jeff Weniger, of Harris Private Bank, said this compares with a peak of 21.2 weeks in the Volcker recession of the early 1980s.

"Legions of individuals have been left with stale skills, and little prospect of finding meaningful work, and benefits that are being exhausted. By our math the crop of people who are unemployed but not receiving a check amounts to 9.2m."

Republicans on Capitol Hill are filibustering a bill to extend the dole for up to 1.2m jobless facing an imminent cut-off. Dean Heller from Nevada called them "hobos". This really is starting to feel like 1932.

Washington's fiscal stimulus is draining away. It peaked in the first quarter, yet even then the economy eked out a growth rate of just 2.7pc. This compares with 5.1pc, 9.3pc, 8.1pc and 8.5pc in the four quarters coming off recession in the early 1980s.

The housing market is already crumbling as government props are pulled away. The expiry of homebuyers' tax credit led to a 30pc fall in the number of buyers signing contracts in May. "It is cataclysmic," said David Bloom from HSBC.

Federal tax rises are automatically baked into the pie. The Congressional Budget Office said fiscal policy will swing from
a net +2pc of GDP to -2pc by late 2011. The states and counties may have to cut as much as $180bn.

Investors are starting to chew over the awful possibility that America's recovery will stall just as Asia hits the buffers. China's manufacturing index has been falling since January, with a downward lurch in June to 50.4, just above the break-even line of 50. Momentum seems to be flagging everywhere, whether in Australian building permits, Turkish exports, or Japanese industrial output.

On Friday, Jacques Cailloux from RBS put out a "double-dip alert" for Europe. "The risk is rising fast. Absent an effective policy intervention to tackle the debt crisis on the periphery over coming months, the European economy will double dip in 2011," he said.

It is obvious what that policy should be for Europe, America, and Japan. If budgets are to shrink in an orderly fashion over several years – as they must, to avoid sovereign debt spirals – then central banks will have to cushion the blow keeping monetary policy ultra-loose for as long it takes.

The Fed is already eyeing the printing press again. "It's appropriate to think about what we would do under a deflationary scenario," said Dennis Lockhart for the Atlanta Fed. His colleague Kevin Warsh said the pros and cons of purchasing more bonds should be subject to "strict scrutiny", a comment I took as confirmation that the Fed Board is arguing internally about QE2.

Perhaps naively, I still think central banks have the tools to head off disaster. The question is whether they will do so fast enough, or even whether they wish to resist the chorus of 1930s liquidation taking charge of the debate. Last week the Bank for International Settlements called for combined fiscal and monetary tightening, lending its great authority to the forces of debt-deflation and mass unemployment. If even the BIS has lost the plot, God help us.

I'm losing my job in 6 months, and this is disconcerting.

How the hell did it get this bad?
 

PokerGuy

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Yes, we are. Also, this was already posted in Fern's thread. This is what happens when we keep putting morons in government and give them more and more power every day.
 

MJinZ

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Same reason it got so bad last time.

The prosperity enjoyed in the last decade during the turn of the century was "gilded". It wasn't actually there.

But people consumed, spent, and speculated like the world was still an oyster.
 

DesiPower

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Learn how to farm?

America taught and has been teaching agriculture to the whole world for decades, they know how to farm, its the unfair competition from across the borders that flooding American markets with sub-par chemical ridden produce that shutting them down.
 

Kirby

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America taught and has been teaching agriculture to the whole world for decades, they know how to farm, its the unfair competition from across the borders that flooding American markets with sub-par chemical ridden produce that shutting them down.

I meant personally.
 

WHAMPOM

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America taught and has been teaching agriculture to the whole world for decades, they know how to farm, its the unfair competition from across the borders that flooding American markets with sub-par chemical ridden produce that shutting them down.

And I thought it was corporate business interests lobbying and getting tax credits for moving production to third world countries. Shazzzam!
 

brencat

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Same reason it got so bad last time.

The prosperity enjoyed in the last decade during the turn of the century was "gilded". It wasn't actually there.

But people consumed, spent, and speculated like the world was still an oyster.

Exactly right. An economy based on services instead of manufacturing, cheap money and bubbles, excessive borrowing, and financial engineering is not a real economy. The piper has to be paid eventually.
 
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Haven't you heard...the stimulus worked!

Seriously...sorry to hear that you're losing your job. Our government failed us by doing little to help small businesses and giving corporations anything but uncertainty in uncertain times. We were promised 8% maximum unemployment if we passed the $787B 'stimulus package'. Instead we got 9.5% unemployment and forecasts to 9.7% by year-end. The slight to modest (at best) benefit of the stimulus does not come free...it comes at the cost of substantial additional debt that will likely be 'reconciled' in one way or another within our lifetimes. It won't be pretty.
 

Moonbeam

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Our Constitution guarantees the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and our system says we have to do that for ourselves by earning money from jobs so there it is. The right to work is a right we do not have. The purpose of government should be to insure that all who can work and want to have jobs. When people are hungry and miserable, they will tear everything down. Instead of everybody making it together, we have created a system where everybody is competing for everybody else's lunch. But competition is nothing more or less than hate. We are beginning now to see what that hate does.

Everything for me and nothing for you is great, except that I am you and so are you.

As you sow so shall you reap. We see that the great and holy force of self interest, the God of Capitalism, turns out to be Cannibalism.
 

Atreus21

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Our Constitution guarantees the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and our system says we have to do that for ourselves by earning money from jobs so there it is. The right to work is a right we do not have. The purpose of government should be to insure that all who can work and want to have jobs. When people are hungry and miserable, they will tear everything down. Instead of everybody making it together, we have created a system where everybody is competing for everybody else's lunch. But competition is nothing more or less than hate. We are beginning now to see what that hate does.

Everything for me and nothing for you is great, except that I am you and so are you.

As you sow so shall you reap. We see that the great and holy force of self interest, the God of Capitalism, turns out to be Cannibalism.

I'm not angry about losing my job. I am not sufficiently marketable, and that's my responsibility.

Capitalism works. That doesn't mean it's a kindly system.

On the other hand, perhaps it is the most kindly ever used. It's killed far less people than socialism has.
 
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Anarchist420

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We are indeed seriously in deep shit, and unless Dr. Paul becomes President in 2013, we won't be able to get out of the deep shit. Ever.

I hate how most of our politicians willfully and rationally centrally plan our demise. It's not cool.
 
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Yes, we are.
There is a shortage of jobs that will never return (est. 8 million jobs permanently lost).
Then we have the older population working longer to save for retirement, plus young adults that recently graduated who are looking for jobs.

The shit is going to hit the fan soon, if it hasn't already. A doomsday scenario is very likely.
 

SAWYER

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This is why I have been scared to change or look for a new job since graduating college. My job isn't the best, and I don't make a killer amount but I do good enough and it's only three days a week.
 
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We seriously will have to consider kicking out all the illegals because pretty soon, because Americans will have to work the lower paying jobs to put food on the table or starve to death (or get bailed out by the govt).

The illegals sending a huge chunk of their wages back to Mexico are not helping our economy. They only spend what they need to here in the US to sustain life (food/shelter).

Wages are going to drop drastically across the board in most industries and the rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer and the middle class will dwindle. This is not going to be pretty.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Yes, we are.
There is a shortage of jobs that will never return (est. 8 million jobs permanently lost).
Then we have the older population working longer to save for retirement, plus young adults that recently graduated who are looking for jobs.

The shit is going to hit the fan soon, if it hasn't already. A doomsday scenario is very likely.

What is a doomsday scenario to you?
 
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