Are We Stingy? Yes

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Siwy

Originally posted by: spidey07
heh, whiny babies they all are.

Look - after all is said and done the US will have contributed more aid for this disater than all of western europe combined in all likelyhood.

That is just baseless speculation you pulled out of your ass.

speculation? Yes.

But as said in the article we are the richest nation and probably will provide the most aid.

Its like it has always been - the world looks to us to fix their troubles. And even then the UN representative just showed how bias and useless the organization really is.

 

[HalosPuma]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
You just don't get it. Why do you think we have welfare? If they cut welfare, crime would skyrocket to ridiculous levels. When you're poor and desperate, you'll do anything.

Actually, we must cut all welfare as well. It is wrong and heavily abused. If you recall from history, it was the Church's who provided the welfare for the less fortunate people. Unfortunately, government has crept in and taken over the Church's role to provide welfare for not only US citizens, but foreigners as well.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Im tired of this neo-racism bullsh!t, these people are not just foreigners. They're men, children, rich or poor that need our help. 35 million dollars is a piss in a bucket, hell we spend more than 35 million dollars on a single military aircraft. Giving money to people will help us win friends in the world. It will get us the respect in the world thats slowly being eaten away by our adventure in Iraq.

HalosPuma, you know what country is being funded by our 'welfare'? Israel, and now Iraq. We are actually FUNDING the countries that make the world more dangerous. Israel is why the world is pissed at us, and Iraq is gonna be the next Iran.

What the hell has Israel and Iraq done for us?

 

[HalosPuma]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Im tired of this neo-racism bullsh!t, these people are not just foreigners. They're men, children, rich or poor that need our help. 35 million dollars is a piss in a bucket, hell we spend more than 35 million dollars on a single military aircraft. Giving money to people will help us win friends in the world.

Nonsense. You have absolutely no right at all to force me to pay money (i.e. tax) to help foreigners. It's not about race, it's not about men, women, or children. It's about freedom - something that you liberals have no concept of. This is my money. You can donate all you want, but you can't force others to.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Im tired of this neo-racism bullsh!t, these people are not just foreigners. They're men, children, rich or poor that need our help. 35 million dollars is a piss in a bucket, hell we spend more than 35 million dollars on a single military aircraft. Giving money to people will help us win friends in the world.

Nonsense. You have absolutely no right at all to force me to pay money (i.e. tax) to help foreigners. It's not about race, it's not about men, women, or children. It's about freedom - something that you liberals have no concept of. This is my money. You can donate all you want, but you can't force others to.

Well my money is in that big ass pot of pork and taxes and I say it's fine to give more to the disaster relief, regardless of whether the Constitution says so. If you don't like it, shove it up your PNAC ass!

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Im tired of this neo-racism bullsh!t, these people are not just foreigners. They're men, children, rich or poor that need our help. 35 million dollars is a piss in a bucket, hell we spend more than 35 million dollars on a single military aircraft. Giving money to people will help us win friends in the world.

Nonsense. You have absolutely no right at all to force me to pay money (i.e. tax) to help foreigners. It's not about race, it's not about men, women, or children. It's about freedom - something that you liberals have no concept of. This is my money. You can donate all you want, but you can't force others to.

Fine, we have freedom with OUR money. Now, I'd like a certified check mailed to......

 

[HalosPuma]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Well my money is in that big ass pot of pork and taxes and I say it's fine to give more to the disaster relief, regardless of whether the Constitution says so. If you don't like it, shove it up your PNAC ass!

So you publicly saying to screw our Constitution and screw all those who don't agree with you. That very document is one of the foundations of our republic. How very un-American of you, yet your avatar is the US Flag. :thumbsdown:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: Engineer
Well my money is in that big ass pot of pork and taxes and I say it's fine to give more to the disaster relief, regardless of whether the Constitution says so. If you don't like it, shove it up your PNAC ass!

So you publicly saying to screw our Constitution and screw all those who don't agree with you. That very document is one of the foundations of our republic. How very un-American of you, yet your avatar is the US Flag. :thumbsdown:

Our Constitution doesn't include starting pre-emptive wars by lying to Congress either, but we're there anyway. Only an ass like you would even state such bullsh*t.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: Engineer
Well my money is in that big ass pot of pork and taxes and I say it's fine to give more to the disaster relief, regardless of whether the Constitution says so. If you don't like it, shove it up your PNAC ass!

So you publicly saying to screw our Constitution and screw all those who don't agree with you. That very document is one of the foundations of our republic. How very un-American of you, yet your avatar is the US Flag. :thumbsdown:

On your comment of my being un-American - I raise my big ole fat middle finger to you! People like you screw our Constitution every day and then use the paper for toilet paper. What a waste of good air you are.


Let's see if you approve of the money now that Congress is considering throwing it into the Iraq Welfare...er....War package. I bet you won't have any problem approving it now, eh?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Im tired of this neo-racism bullsh!t, these people are not just foreigners. They're men, children, rich or poor that need our help. 35 million dollars is a piss in a bucket, hell we spend more than 35 million dollars on a single military aircraft. Giving money to people will help us win friends in the world.

Nonsense. You have absolutely no right at all to force me to pay money (i.e. tax) to help foreigners. It's not about race, it's not about men, women, or children. It's about freedom - something that you liberals have no concept of. This is my money. You can donate all you want, but you can't force others to.

I notice you ignored the part where I said we ARE funding foreigners. We've been funding foreigners for along time dude, and that has nothing to do with freedom, sir.

Where are you freedom lovers when theres an Abu Gharib abuse news, or John Ashcroft expands the patriot act? Turning a blind eye thats where.

 

[slyedog]

spidey07 said:
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speculation? Yes.

But as said in the article we are the richest nation and probably will provide the most aid.

Its like it has always been - the world looks to us to fix their troubles. And even then the UN representative just showed how bias and useless the organization really is.
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this is the most truthful and correct statement i have ever read on this forum. thanks for telling
it like it is.

 

[HalosPuma]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Let's see if you approve of the money now that Congress is considering throwing it into the Iraq Welfare...er....War package. I bet you won't have any problem approving it now, eh?

"The magnitude of this human tragedy may well define us in the years to come," he wrote. "The world has seen in recent years how tough the U.S. can be ? now they must see how magnanimous and caring we are as a nation."

= higher taxes

I don't see what the problem is opposing government involvment but encouraging individual involvement.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: Engineer
Let's see if you approve of the money now that Congress is considering throwing it into the Iraq Welfare...er....War package. I bet you won't have any problem approving it now, eh?

"The magnitude of this human tragedy may well define us in the years to come," he wrote. "The world has seen in recent years how tough the U.S. can be ? now they must see how magnanimous and caring we are as a nation."

= higher taxes

I don't see what the problem is opposing government involvment but encouraging individual involvement.

I notice you don't mind rebuilding Iraq with the big ole Welfare package do you? $200,000,000,000 must not equal higher taxes. Watching US military walk around the streets of Iraq with millions of dollars in CASH handing it out (after negotiation) for damage. How about let's look for DONATIONS to rebuild Iraq then?

 

[Byers]

Halos, the fallacy in your argument is that this is about freedom and it's your money. You're not completely isolated. You only earned money because of the lifestyle and work of everyone else.

 

[HalosPuma]

Originally posted by: Engineer
I notice you don't mind rebuilding Iraq with the big ole Welfare package do you? $200,000,000,000 must not equal higher taxes.

Here is a 1 year chart of Halliburton who owns Kellogg, Brown, and Root (KBR), one of the contractors in Iraq. Similar to the great projects we enacted after the Great Depression, this money is coming back to the US people. Instead of simply giving a handout, we helping people who think we are evil (and thus changing their minds) and are helping ourselves as well.

As a nation, we do more for the world than all other nations combined. Then people have to nerve to call us stingy. They must have forgotten World War II.

 

[Byers]

Oh how classic!!! A reference to how wonderful we are because we made things all better in WWII!

We do more to the world, no arguement there.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: Engineer
I notice you don't mind rebuilding Iraq with the big ole Welfare package do you? $200,000,000,000 must not equal higher taxes.

Here is a 1 year chart of Halliburton who owns Kellogg, Brown, and Root (KBR), one of the contractors in Iraq. Similar to the great projects we enacted after the Great Depression, this money is coming back to the US people. Instead of simply giving a handout, we helping people who think we are evil (and thus changing their minds) and are helping ourselves as well.

As a nation, we do more for the world than all other nations combined. Then people have to nerve to call us stingy. They must have forgotten World War II.

Ah, so it's corporate welfare then. I see.

Oh, and the same ole Kellogg, Brown and Root that can't keep up with their spending records....but we pay them anyway, to the tune of $1 Billion in unaccounted payments.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
You just don't get it. Why do you think we have welfare? If they cut welfare, crime would skyrocket to ridiculous levels. When you're poor and desperate, you'll do anything.

Actually, we must cut all welfare as well. It is wrong and heavily abused. If you recall from history, it was the Church's who provided the welfare for the less fortunate people. Unfortunately, government has crept in and taken over the Church's role to provide welfare for not only US citizens, but foreigners as well.

Yes and you know what is going to happen. They'll come up to your suburb and rob you and your family and god knows what else. Welfare is provided to keep the poor from rioting and causing trouble. Its bribery but it works. The government knows this and so do all the people up top. Unfortunately people like you don't realize it. This is why you'll never find anyone with a brain and a lot of money against welfare.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

What the hell is the problem with helping people that need it? Is that not what government is supposed to do? Or would all the neocons rather millions of people die? It is not about government running my life but I pay taxes shouldn't the government do something good with it other than make tanks and bomb? Isn't it sad that a country that has an annual budget of more than 2 Trillion dollars would have to rely on a private company or person to donate money. I have said it in other posts, and I will say it again: YOU RIGHT WINGERS CALL YOURSELVES RELIGIOUS AND YOU DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE THAT DOES NOT DIRECTLY BENEFIT YOU. You all want to government to run our lives by making gay marriage illegal but you do not want the government to help aid a foreign nation recover from a disaster of biblical proportions.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
What the hell is the problem with helping people that need it? Is that not what government is supposed to do? Or would all the neocons rather millions of people die? It is not about government running my life but I pay taxes shouldn't the government do something good with it other than make tanks and bomb? Isn't it sad that a country that has an annual budget of more than 2 Trillion dollars would have to rely on a private company or person to donate money. I have said it in other posts, and I will say it again: YOU RIGHT WINGERS CALL YOURSELVES RELIGIOUS AND YOU DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE THAT DOES NOT DIRECTLY BENEFIT YOU. You all want to government to run our lives by making gay marriage illegal but you do not want the government to help aid a foreign nation recover from a disaster of biblical proportions.

:thumbsup:

 

[chess9]

I don't think Americans are stingy. We are self-absorbed, but not stingy.

Anyway, private donations from Americans could well hit $100 million within the next 6 months. Amazon is almost 7 million right now and the American Red Cross will probably raise $50 million.

That doesn't suggest to me Americans are stingy.

On the other hand, I think the $15 million figure that was initially put out was sheer stupidity and premature and didn't count other forms of aid.

If we weren't spending a gazillion billion a year on Iraq our government could actually help a lot more people who suffered from this tragedy. If it ever happens here, we want the world to come to our aid, particularly if we are paralyzed by some disaster. Don't say it can't happen to us.....

Walk a mile in their shoes.

Anyway, make sure you donate.

-Robert

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: ntdz
ignorance is bliss I guess. Sure our government gives less per GDP than other countries, but our private donations far outweigh any other country. We give more foreign aid than the rest of the world's countries combined, and WE'RE STINGY!? F*CK OFF. If you're worried so much about foreign aid, give some $ to a charity, it's not that difficult and people do it every day. The governemnt doesn't have to do everything for you people, it doesn't have to run your life like you want it to.

Can you provide stats on the private donations?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: charrison
These numbers leave out private donations, which dwarf goverment aid.

People keep saying this. What are the figures? How much $$$ in private donations per person per year (average) for the various countries?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma
When the US "donates" money, that's actually our tax dollars. How dare the United Nations or another nation for that matter call for an increase in my taxes to help other people. It's my money, not some bureaucrat's money.

Individuals can donate all they want, but to force everyone to "donate" via taxation is absolutely horrible, worse than this natural disaster.

WTF?
Paying taxes for the funding of a social democratic state (or republic) -- and having a miniscule portion of those taxes going to foreign aid -- is WORSE THAN 100,000 dead people??????????????????????????

This is why most people will never support your libertarian political agenda, your myopic focus on your libertarian "ideals" has led to moral bankruptcy.

 

[Dari]

This nation has done the most to help the world and we have people like Engineer questioning our commitments? For shame. Face it Engineer, whether it's Iraq, the tsunami-hit parts of Asia, or other global crises, the United States is doing the job of the United Nations. I thought you'd like that.