Are white shooters called 'lone wolves,' by default?

HomerJS

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We already know Trump ignores white terrorists. Anyone remember King Insta-tweet responding to the bombing of a mosque in Minnesota a few months ago? That's because he didn't yet let a brown person commit a bombing even in a foreign country Trump is on the phone even before the facts are in.

"White men who resort to mass violence are consistently characterized primarily as isolated 'lone wolves' — in no way connected to one another," King wrote. "For centuries, when an act of violence has been committed by an African-American, racist tropes follow — and eventually, the criminalization and dehumanization of an entire ethnic group."

Last year, when Micah Xavier Johnson shot at police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five and injuring nine others, Black Lives Matter was blamed — though he had no known link to the movement.

In 2014, when Alton Nolen was arrested in the decapitation of one co-worker and the stabbing of another, some were quick to blame Alton Nolen's "radicalization" as a recent convert to Islam. They could have categorized the crime instead as workplace violence — Nolen was embittered by his suspension from his work at a Oklahoma food processing plant.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ar...-lone-wolves-by-default/ar-AAsUyoW?ocid=ientp
 

Puffnstuff

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I seem to recall that back in '02 during the DC sniper attacks that they were initially described as a lone wolf attack until they were caught.
 

JTsyo

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I imagine lone wolf is used when the person plans and carries out the attack themselves. If they received training or instruction from someone else then they would no longer be a lone wolf but acting on behalf of an entity. I don't think terrorist and lone wolf are mutually exclusive.
 
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shortylickens

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I seem to recall that back in '02 during the DC sniper attacks that they were initially described as a lone wolf attack until they were caught.
Lone WHITE MALE wolf.

The alleged brilliant FBI profiler said it was a single white upper middle income male.
Turned out to be two lower income black males.

So basically profiling is bullshit. It doesnt take any brains to just go ahead and assume a violent perpetrator is male. After that its random guessing.
 

kage69

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Were Jared and Amanda Miller, who shot up the Walmart in Vegas in 2014, described as lone wolves? They did kind of split up. I guess they couldn't be, but hey as you can see very white.

You guys remember? The Gadsen flag packing couple who killed cops at CiCis Pizza and left swastikas on their bodies?



Killed a CCW holder at the Walmart too.
 
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shortylickens

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I remember it now that I've been reminded, but sadly had forgotten about it completely about a month after the incident:

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/08/two-officers-shot-cicis-nellis-suspects-run-wal-ma/

That was sad. They were known criminals and anti-government crusaders, which is why a lot of people are pushing for universal background checks on firearms purchases. Perhaps these folks could have been prevented from legally acquiring weapons which were later used to murder cops and a civilian. Of course, theres no way to know if they ever could have purchased black market weapons. But it makes you wonder.


Wait, I forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings
They also had some stolen weapons.

AND they were outspoken police-protesters.
 

96Firebird

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It is derogatory to refer to a person as an animal, and if it only happens to whites that is racist.
 

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A lone wolf is somebody who thinks that lots of people talk about a problem but nobody is actually doing anything about it. For example a lone wolf may start killing prostitutes because he feels that the police aren't doing anything about the problem. Tim McVeigh was a lone wolf who got his friend to help him.
 

shortylickens

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In the wake of horrible tragedies like this, the most important thing for many people is to be able to say, "He wasn't one of us."
Well, most of the mass shooters are straight white males, so I cant say that.
However, I can always use blacks as a scapegoat for the daily inner-city crime!
 
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As long as they dont have a known ideology pushing them to do so or are part of a known group that does these things then lone wolf seems fairly fitting.
 

pmv

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The answer to the thread-title question might well be 'yes', but all the same, some Islamist killers have been described as such (not by Trump of course, but by the media and police). JTsyo is surely right that 'lone wolf' and 'terrorist' are not mutually-exclusive. 'Self-radicalised' is another phrase that gets used.

It's an annoyingly flattering term, in my opinion, though. Possibly the only thing Trump has ever said that I didn't entirely disagree with was when he called terrorists 'losers'.
 

DrunkenSano

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It depends on what the motive of the shooter is, that is how they are labeled. I don't believe race plays an issue. Just because someone was a 'lone wolf', it doesn't make them any less of a shitstain than a terrorist, his crime is not any less abhorrent than what a terrorist does. A terrorist's mission is to terrorize for a cause, it could be for an extreme Islamic cause, it could be for a domestic cause, etc. A lone wolf might not have a cause, something may have caused him to snap and go on a killing spree, like the crazed postal or office worker, or some young adult that was bullied all of his life, etc. Both groups commit horrific crimes and both are equally terrible.
 

Jaskalas

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What group provided direct, logistical, or operational support?

The designation is, for no other reason, than the attacker / terrorist acted alone. Leave racism out of it.
 
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xthetenth

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What group provided direct, logistical, or operational support?

The designation is, for no other reason, than the attacker / terrorist acted alone. Leave racism out of it.

Well, he did buy at least one of his guns from somebody linked to the Bundy Ranch standoff, which is something the previous shooters mentioned in the thread were a part of.

The designation is not in and of itself an example of racism, but the automatic immediate causative leap that a hell of a lot of people take from "oh it's a white guy therefore he must be a lone wolf because he looks like me and I don't share his beliefs" is racism because it's implicitly claiming that only people who aren't white can be a part of radicalized ideological groups.

Why does, as an example, a white nationalist or an anti-government militia not get described as a radicalized exemplar of his beliefs the way a Muslim equivalent would?
 

HomerJS

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It depends on what the motive of the shooter is, that is how they are labeled. I don't believe race plays an issue. Just because someone was a 'lone wolf', it doesn't make them any less of a shitstain than a terrorist, his crime is not any less abhorrent than what a terrorist does. A terrorist's mission is to terrorize for a cause, it could be for an extreme Islamic cause, it could be for a domestic cause, etc. A lone wolf might not have a cause, something may have caused him to snap and go on a killing spree, like the crazed postal or office worker, or some young adult that was bullied all of his life, etc. Both groups commit horrific crimes and both are equally terrible.
Not only were these people not labeled terrorists but Trump wouldn't even issue a statement for the sake of the community.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ota-mosque-attack_us_59887a97e4b041356ec13af5
 
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