Are you a Hillary supporter? Why?

mysticjbyrd

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If, so, please explain to me why you support Hillary over Bernie. I have scoured the internet trying to find some, but thus far I have only found two.

Both of these individuals claimed that they supported Hillary, because they felt she had a better chance in the primary. The problem is that this isn't true. Polls have shown for months that Bernie not only beats every republican, unlike Hillary, but beats them by a larger margin.
 

Sonikku

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The problem with the primaries is the candidate most likely to win the general election is least likely to get the nomination. It's like a game of musical chairs trying to pander to the base for the one while later moving more to the middle to pander to the entire country in the latter. If Bernie got the nom? He'd win. But he likely won't get it. Jon Hunstman for his part was the last man who would have won the Republican nomination last election. But if he had, he would have clobbered Obama in the GE.

As for Hillary, I used to be in favor of her back in the 2000-2008 stretch. But the more I hear, the less I like. And I'm not even talking about the email server/BENGHAZI stuff. I mean the general lack of compassion for her common man, being little more than a mouth piece for special interests the same as everyone else in the running. (sans Bernie)
 

BonzaiDuck

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The problem with the primaries is the candidate most likely to win the general election is least likely to get the nomination. It's like a game of musical chairs trying to pander to the base for the one while later moving more to the middle to pander to the entire country in the latter. If Bernie got the nom? He'd win. But he likely won't get it. Jon Hunstman for his part was the last man who would have won the Republican nomination last election. But if he had, he would have clobbered Obama in the GE.

As for Hillary, I used to be in favor of her back in the 2000-2008 stretch. But the more I hear, the less I like. And I'm not even talking about the email server/BENGHAZI stuff. I mean the general lack of compassion for her common man, being little more than a mouth piece for special interests the same as everyone else in the running. (sans Bernie)

I do not think you can prove that such is a universal outcome.

I think it depends on which base has the loudest and most irrational extremists, and which base collectively chooses to follow a winning strategy.

The winning strategy would maximize a partisan capture of both presidency and the legislature. And frankly, that's what I think is at stake here.

Since I've seen the nutcase candidates in action, and I've seen the 2010 elected act in lockstep to pursue an ideological agenda, I'd pick the Devil if the GOP nominated Jesus Christ. Since Jesus Christ is not a nutcase, and he'd never win nor run for a GOP nomination, that sort of outcome would be a Lie greater than the one about who killed JFK.

I'd still like to see Bernie get the nomination, but I'll take anything I can get in this season of the witch.

And although I would've liked to see Elizabeth Warren running for president this year, I'd rather not see another Scott Brown occupying her Senate chair.

It's that simple.
 

Vic

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Because while I have some strong views on classical liberalism, I'm neither right nor left. And in particular, I dislike populism, right or left. And then there's the shortage of sane candidates and well, f'it..
 

BonzaiDuck

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Because while I have some strong views on classical liberalism, I'm neither right nor left. And in particular, I dislike populism, right or left. And then there's the shortage of sane candidates and well, f'it..

I'm not an ideologue, but I've lived through more than a half century of the "mixed economy." The GOP and its minions have pushed me from center to a position darker than pink. That doesn't mean I'd impose an ideology on the country, though, if I were elected. It means that I think some leftward shift is a remedy for where the Right is trying to take us.

And I think that latter direction is moving the country to its own destruction. A Soviet leader once said in a public statement "We will bury you." This was interpreted by alarmists as a military threat. In fact, what he meant, if you want to understand their own basic dogma of that era, was that we'd destroy ourselves, and they'd have to get the shovels and the undertaker.

Otherwise, I don't want someone in the Oval Office whose every sentence begins with "I," who rants about how great he is, who goes off on stories about aerosols versus pumps, who fries bacon on his AR-15, whose governor's staff tried to use governance to punish a town full of people, or who just happens to be related to the asshole who caused the whole middle east to unravel. Should I continue? Maybe with another line.

I want to say to the entire GOP, what Maximus said to Commodus in the arena of "Gladiator": "Your time for honoring yourself will soon end."
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Two whole people ?

Wow, I wonder how she gets any attention at all.

It bothers me that the new year may unfold to show that the Dem leadership is assuming an inevitable coronation.

If they step in that one again, the country will be a whole lot worse off than it is now.
 

mysticjbyrd

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Because while I have some strong views on classical liberalism, I'm neither right nor left. And in particular, I dislike populism, right or left. And then there's the shortage of sane candidates and well, f'it..
Wait, is that the reason you are a Hillary supporter? Confused.

Two whole people ?

Wow, I wonder how she gets any attention at all.
Because the corporate media is just another part of the us oligarchy.

That should be beyond obvious by looking at the events of the democratic primary.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Hilly doesn't raise my Willie,
Even if she's got her own.
The GOP is no less scary than silly,
So I'll toss the b**** a bone.
 

Vic

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Wait, is that the reason you are a Hillary supporter? Confused.

I don't 'support' any of the candidates this election cycle. But if I have to vote for any one of them (and I will) then I'm going to vote for a candidate that isn't leading an angry mob. And, at this time, Hillary seems to be the only candidate who isn't.
 

fskimospy

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If, so, please explain to me why you support Hillary over Bernie. I have scoured the internet trying to find some, but thus far I have only found two.

Both of these individuals claimed that they supported Hillary, because they felt she had a better chance in the primary. The problem is that this isn't true. Polls have shown for months that Bernie not only beats every republican, unlike Hillary, but beats them by a larger margin.

General election polls at this point are next to worthless, so saying that Samders wins by a larger margin in them and therefore is a better general election candidate (or at least no worse) based on that is pretty wrong.

Hillary has views that are generally in line with what I support, although I wish she were more liberal. She also has a huge amount of institutional support rallied behind her and is winning the primary by a wide margin. She's much more likely to succeed in November than Bernie is, so she's my preferred candidate.

Bernie Sanders seems to be the Ron Paul of this cycle. Very passionate supporters with unrealistic expectations. At least Bernie seems to have a basic understanding of economics though, so that's a plus, haha.
 

K1052

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I'll cast my vote for her because she can win the general and the prospect of a Republican victory based on their slate of candidates is too horrifying to contemplate.
 

glenn1

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I don't 'support' any of the candidates this election cycle. But if I have to vote for any one of them (and I will) then I'm going to vote for a candidate that isn't leading an angry mob. And, at this time, Hillary seems to be the only candidate who isn't.

So unlike the others Hillary doesn't have anyone behind her when she says "follow me" and you like this about her?
 

MongGrel

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So unlike the others Hillary doesn't have anyone behind her when she says "follow me" and you like this about her?

Hey, you seem to post thinking others are behind you all the time.

Seems to not prevent you from doing so.
 

Jimzz

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I'll cast my vote for her because she can win the general and the prospect of a Republican victory based on their slate of candidates is too horrifying to contemplate.


That's the only way I would vote for Hillary, if one of the current republicans is actually running high support in the general election.

Right now I'll vote for Bernie in the Dem Primary and Trump in the Rep primary. The trump vote is more a FU to the Rep party then support for him. You can vote in any primary in VA.

Then in the general I'll probably vote 3rd party unless its a very close race.
 

BonzaiDuck

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That's the only way I would vote for Hillary, if one of the current republicans is actually running high support in the general election.

Right now I'll vote for Bernie in the Dem Primary and Trump in the Rep primary. The trump vote is more a FU to the Rep party then support for him. You can vote in any primary in VA.

Then in the general I'll probably vote 3rd party unless its a very close race.

My memory fails, but I didn't know the same voter could vote in both Virginia primaries. I lived there for nearly 30 years. Is that true?

I worry about turnout in the general election. It's easy for me and my family: we're all registered to get mail-in ballots.
 

MongGrel

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That's the only way I would vote for Hillary, if one of the current republicans is actually running high support in the general election.

Right now I'll vote for Bernie in the Dem Primary and Trump in the Rep primary. The trump vote is more a FU to the Rep party then support for him. You can vote in any primary in VA.

Then in the general I'll probably vote 3rd party unless its a very close race.

Where are you living at that you can legally vote in both Primaries ? If you can do that in VA, there is a lot of voting disparity right there to begin with.

My memory fails, but I didn't know the same voter could vote in both Virginia primaries. I lived there for nearly 30 years. Is that true?

I worry about turnout in the general election. It's easy for me and my family: we're all registered to get mail-in ballots.

Yeah, exactly what I thought myself.

I usually do mail in also.

Though who knows how legit many things are these days.

Sure you can vote in either Primary in any state, usually not in both though that I am aware of.

That sounds like voting fraud right there, if you are actually doing that.
 
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glenn1

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Hey, you seem to post thinking others are behind you all the time.

Seems to not prevent you from doing so.

When you're on an anonymous message board that's a lesser deal than when you're seeking to be POTUS and persuasion is one of the biggest assets you need to possess.
 

mysticjbyrd

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General election polls at this point are next to worthless, so saying that Samders wins by a larger margin in them and therefore is a better general election candidate (or at least no worse) based on that is pretty wrong.

Hillary has views that are generally in line with what I support, although I wish she were more liberal. She also has a huge amount of institutional support rallied behind her and is winning the primary by a wide margin. She's much more likely to succeed in November than Bernie is, so she's my preferred candidate.

Bernie Sanders seems to be the Ron Paul of this cycle. Very passionate supporters with unrealistic expectations. At least Bernie seems to have a basic understanding of economics though, so that's a plus, haha.

Polls are far better than your gut feeling. Hillary also carries a lot of baggage into the general, which will give someone like Trump an endless amount of mudd ball ammo to sling.

Furthermore, the base doesn't even like her. She is as establishment as establishment gets, and people aren't going to flock to.support that. Heck, I have seen tons of Bernie supporters say they either won't vote, vote Stein, or even vote Trump if Bernie loses the nomination.

Is that the only reason you support Hillary?

I think you might be drastically overestimating how 'progressive' Hillary is. She would likely be further right than Obama is right now, and he is republican lite at best.
 
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MongGrel

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When you're on an anonymous message board that's a lesser deal than when you're seeking to be POTUS and persuasion is one of the biggest assets you need to possess.

Ya think ?

I mean really, that thought would have never occurred to me.

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Vic

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So unlike the others Hillary doesn't have anyone behind her when she says "follow me" and you like this about her?
So not leading an angry mob is the same as having no one behind you? Interesting.
 

pcgeek11

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No, not a Hillary supporter.

I do not support anyone that is that much of a lying self centered bitch.
 
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